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Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 09:09 PM Dec 2018

Why no Trump concert halls, hospital wings. University halls

Libraries, parks, schools, etc?

Most billionaires start spreading their wealth around by middle age.

Can any Trump point to one public institution they have built or.contributed to in a significant way?

I was at a. Rockefeller funded institution recently. Made me think of trump. Most billionaires start pouring their money into public efforts..even the evil Koch brothers.

Oprah, Geffen, gates, and others reach a point where they seem compelled to donate some of that money

Even in politics. Trump sought to benefit himself. The trump.family is truly unique

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Why no Trump concert halls, hospital wings. University halls (Original Post) Demovictory9 Dec 2018 OP
Real Billionaires are different.... (n/t) Moostache Dec 2018 #1
In that they have billions of dollars, correct? jmowreader Dec 2018 #48
yup...n/t Moostache Dec 2018 #59
There's Trump Dump lagomorph777 Dec 2018 #2
Not built for the public. Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #3
But that's how Trump sacrifices. He builds commercial real estate. lagomorph777 Dec 2018 #4
Lol. Ok Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #5
Is that a public toilet? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2018 #19
he doesn't have the money. he doesn't give to charity or any other public benefit JI7 Dec 2018 #6
That actually makes me feel a little better about our governor here in IL mucifer Dec 2018 #7
And these "naming rights" for mainly publicly-funded properties are a crime erronis Dec 2018 #52
He's a cheap bastard. brush Dec 2018 #8
Carnagie and the libraries irisblue Dec 2018 #9
Donald J. Trump State Park (For real!) TreasonousBastard Dec 2018 #10
I think it is appropriate that dotard's name is associated with abandoned wasteland demtenjeep Dec 2018 #18
Everything drumpf touches dies Takket Dec 2018 #26
Even William J. Le Petomane donated for a thruway in Blazing Saddles LiberalArkie Dec 2018 #47
Criminals never share their ill-gotten loot meow2u3 Dec 2018 #11
THIS is how Trump puts his name on stuff. Trademarks, not donations. no_hypocrisy Dec 2018 #12
Kremlin Barbie trademarked her name decades ago. Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #50
Real billionaires don't hustle steaks, scam people using a fake university, and steal from charities dalton99a Dec 2018 #13
Where is the link for that? former9thward Dec 2018 #21
"Philanthropy Score - 1" A HERETIC I AM Dec 2018 #29
michele wolf correspondants dinner..... trump not rich but comfortable dembotoz Dec 2018 #14
Well he has created lots of jobs in the doc03 Dec 2018 #15
There is a nursing/rehab center in Queens called Trump Pavillion oberliner Dec 2018 #16
Shoot, even the DeVoses built hospitals MrScorpio Dec 2018 #17
exactly! everytown has their rich family that slaps their name on PUBLIC works, not just private Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #42
He's never really had the wealth to share. JDC Dec 2018 #20
MArk Cuban said billionaires don't act like Trump- dawg day Dec 2018 #22
He really does Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #34
they definitely don't hawk bottled water and christmas ornaments Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #43
Simple... the checks didn't clear - LOL. Totally Tunsie Dec 2018 #23
Actually there is a hospital wing... brooklynite Dec 2018 #24
Ok. Didn't know that. Thanks Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #25
His mom paid for it, not Donnie Dearest. Shrike47 Dec 2018 #30
Good point. Some wealthy folks have pledged to give away most of their fortunes. Liberty Belle Dec 2018 #27
Now here is a real laugh: the Trump Library! GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #28
Red velvet wall paper and gold (colored) faucets. Shrike47 Dec 2018 #31
And "trump" stamped in gold on every book Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #33
It will have the best books, believe me. 7wo7rees Dec 2018 #56
He's never been a billionaire...all smoke and mirrors HipChick Dec 2018 #32
He could have been a billionaire NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #61
No one likes Trump. C_U_L8R Dec 2018 #35
Someone in Nevada should start a Trump brothel. Spread the name around. LOL. Vinca Dec 2018 #36
+1 bluescribbler Dec 2018 #46
Well, there was ... left-of-center2012 Dec 2018 #37
Because that would require Trump to be benevolent. Initech Dec 2018 #38
That's easy. He isn't capable of thinking about anything besides himself. n/t sarge43 Dec 2018 #39
And the university scam doesn't count! n/t Chemisse Dec 2018 #40
no, Lebron James isn't charging kids 30K at his new schools. He is providing everything Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #44
trump is a cheap bastard who only cares about himself Gothmog Dec 2018 #41
Is he really a billionaire? bluescribbler Dec 2018 #45
Tax returns wouldn't prove his billionaireness one way or the other jmowreader Dec 2018 #49
Why? Simple. Those are non-profit entities... Wounded Bear Dec 2018 #51
Alex, I'll take "Headlines from The Year 2150" for $2,000 please. aeromanKC Dec 2018 #53
Apart from the fact that philanthropy is a foreign concept to him, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #54
He has no money to pour Polly Hennessey Dec 2018 #55
he actually did fix the Central Park skating rink for free (not really - the contractor Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #57
he crashed a charity event funded by donors other than him and took one of the seats on stage Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #64
A self promoter of epic proportions. Without even knowing or realizing he is doing it. Like Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #66
Turns out his only foundation was/is fraudulent--focused on TAKING money from "suckers," ecstatic Dec 2018 #58
But.....Trump "University"! Nitram Dec 2018 #60
I'm afraid there is. zentrum Dec 2018 #62
Oh, what makes anyone think he'd ever doing anything decent. There's Doitnow Dec 2018 #63
I forgot to rec this last time. Fixed that. Maru Kitteh Dec 2018 #65
He's selfish. He's cheap. He's not as rich as he pretends to be. smirkymonkey Dec 2018 #67

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
4. But that's how Trump sacrifices. He builds commercial real estate.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 09:15 PM
Dec 2018

Or something like that - the particular incoherent ramble I'm recalling is pretty hard to follow.

mucifer

(23,530 posts)
7. That actually makes me feel a little better about our governor here in IL
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 09:22 PM
Dec 2018

The Pritzker family has a lot of buildings, parks and schools.

But, to tell you the truth it bothers me, too.

We had a pediatric hospital here in Chicago called Children's Memorial. Then the Lurie family gave the hospital a ton of money to build a new hospital where they wanted it and designed how they wanted it. Then the hospital had to take on the name Lurie and no longer had the name that was a memorial to children who had passed. It really bothers me.

erronis

(15,241 posts)
52. And these "naming rights" for mainly publicly-funded properties are a crime
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 10:59 PM
Dec 2018

How many Enron or MCI sports stadiums were just ways to pass multi-millions between the filthy rich, and to write off the "investments"?

irisblue

(32,968 posts)
9. Carnagie and the libraries
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 09:28 PM
Dec 2018

Wiki says "A total of 2,509 Carnegie libraries were built between 1883 and 1929, including some belonging to public and university library systems. 1,689 were built in the United States, 660 in the United Kingdom and Ireland, 125 in Canada, and others in Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Serbia, Belgium, France, the Caribbean, Mauritius, Malaysia, and Fiji."

He was 48. You've raised an interesting point.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
10. Donald J. Trump State Park (For real!)
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 09:37 PM
Dec 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Trump_State_Park



Donald Trump, for whom the park was named, purchased the property for $2 million in the 1990s, and donated it in 2006.[1][2] Trump donated the land after he was unable to gain town approvals to develop a private golf course on the property.[3] At the time of its donation, Trump claimed the parcel was worth $100 million. He used the donation as a tax write-off.[4][5]

New York State announced the park's closure due to budget cuts in February 2010.[6] It was questioned whether the closure was necessary since the operating budget for the park was only $2,500 a year and it was maintained by workers from the nearby Franklin D. Roosevelt State Park.[3] Although Trump threatened to take the parkland back after the closure was announced,[3] his attempt was unsuccessful and the land remained in the control of the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation.[7]

An attempt to convert a portion of the park's French Hill section for use as a dog park in 2010 revealed that at least one of the park's abandoned buildings contained asbestos.[8] By 2012, the planned dog park remained on hold due to difficulties raising funds for fences and asbestos abatement.[9]

As of 2015, the park remains officially closed and is not listed at the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation park locator,[10] although signs along the nearby Taconic State Parkway direct visitors to Donald J. Trump State Park.[5][11] During a 2015 visit by The Rachel Maddow Show there were no signs of any recent upkeep; instead, the publicly accessible land was found to contain crumbling graffiti-covered buildings, empty map kiosks, and weed-choked parking lots.[12]

In 2017, website The A.V. Club published a report that the park was an "abandoned wasteland," with "muddy fields, overgrown tennis courts, and dilapidated buildings" and a swimming pool in disrepair.[13]


The article also mentions the "Anything But Trump Act" to change the park's name.

no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
12. THIS is how Trump puts his name on stuff. Trademarks, not donations.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 09:59 PM
Dec 2018

In 1991, when crime was high in New York City and public opinion of Central Park was much lower than today, Donald Trump applied for a trademark on the name "Central Park" and got it. He has held on to, and profited from, a widening variety of trademarks ever since, slapping the name Central Park first on parking garages, then onto furniture, pillows, pencil boxes, "non-electric coffee percolators," chandeliers, keychain, and other items. And Trump paid no more than the filing fee to become the single largest private for-profit trademark holder of Central Park trademarks for specific goods.

Alan Garten, general counsel for The Trump Organization, declined to tell The Associated Press how much money Trump has earned from his Central Park trademarks, only saying that "Mr. Trump, over the course of his career, has owned and developed some of the most iconic buildings in the city, many of which... sit only footsteps away from Central Park." The park is operated by both New York City and the private Central Park Conservancy, which can sell items like umbrellas with the official Central Park logo. Neither the city nor the Conservancy can revoke Trump's trademarks, though the city has tried and failed to derail several trademark applications but found no way to, NY1 reports.

Trump also owns trademarks for "Fifth Avenue," for certain objects in his casino empire, and "Westchester," a furniture line he named after the tony county north of New York City.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/592694/donald-trump-owns-lucrative-trademarks-central-park-fifth-avenue

dalton99a

(81,451 posts)
13. Real billionaires don't hustle steaks, scam people using a fake university, and steal from charities
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 10:00 PM
Dec 2018

IIRC Donald Trump's net worth was estimated at $300M at most in 2015

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
17. Shoot, even the DeVoses built hospitals
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 10:30 PM
Dec 2018

Hang around Grand Rapids some time. They pretty much own that town.

Trump’s not just a fake billionaire, he’s a criminal enterprise.

JDC

(10,125 posts)
20. He's never really had the wealth to share.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 10:41 PM
Dec 2018

He is wrought w debt and lives hand to mouth by multi-millionaire standards. Forget billions.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
22. MArk Cuban said billionaires don't act like Trump-
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 11:38 PM
Dec 2018

They don't hawk vodka or steaks. They don't need to. Trump acts like a man who needs money.

Liberty Belle

(9,534 posts)
27. Good point. Some wealthy folks have pledged to give away most of their fortunes.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 01:28 AM
Dec 2018

Compared to other billionaires, Trump is more like Ebeneezer Scrooge:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2018/10/15/the-greatest-givers-meet-americas-top-philanthropists/#7adef37d1af1

Actions speak louder than words: While it may be easy to make promises, true generosity involves actually giving away the greenbacks. To discover who doled out the most money in 2017, Forbes partnered with Boca Raton, Florida’s SHOOK Research, and tracked the philanthropists who made good on their pledges. We only count money that reaches beneficiaries – and exclude commitments that have yet to be paid out or donations that are still sitting as foundation assets. (See the full methodology here).

Many of America’s Top 50 Givers are among the richest in the country; nine of the top ten givers are members of the 2018 Forbes 400, as well as 40 of the top 50 overall. For the fourth straight year, Warren Buffett is No. 1 on the list, with 2017 giving of $2.8 billion. The Berkshire Hathaway chairman, who signed the Giving Pledge in 2006, gave more than $2 billion to close friends Bill and Melinda Gates’ foundation, and split the rest between the Susan Thompson Buffett Foundation (named after his late wife) and three foundations set up by his children.

Bill and Melinda Gates are right behind at No. 2 with $2.5 billion in 2017 donations. The couple have given over $35 billion to their foundation since 1994, and the nonprofit is now the biggest private charitable foundation in the world. Top grantees in 2017 include the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, Gates Medical Research Institute and Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa.

Two Facebook cofounders, Mark Zuckerberg and Dustin Moskovitz, also made the ranks. In 2015, Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan founded limited liability company Chan Zuckerberg Initiative (CZI), which focuses on science, education, justice and economic opportunity -- and does impact investing and advocacy as well as philanthropy. The couple, who pledged to give away 99% of their Facebook shares in their lifetime, donated $400 million to charity last year. Moskovitz, who set up Good Ventures Foundation with his wife Cari Tuna, gave away $298 million in 2017; his foundation supports causes including animal welfare and artificial intelligence research.

(Much more at the link, and I'm feeling better about Facebook after learning tzuckerberg plans to give away 99% of his shares to charities. How many billionaires are that generous? But apparently many do use a good portion of their wealth for the public benefit. I'd be all for more tax breaks for those who engage in true philanthropy, instead of tax breaks just for being rich.)

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
61. He could have been a billionaire
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:43 PM
Dec 2018

if he took the money he inherited from Daddy Trump, the $300 to $400 million estimated, and put it in a fund indexed to the stock market 20 years ago, he would be a billionaire now.

However, he squandered it and was reportedly worth $150 to $250 million, according to Timothy O'Brien (author of TrumpNation: The Art of Being The Donald)

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
35. No one likes Trump.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 08:29 AM
Dec 2018

I can't name a single Trump friend. But moreso, Trump never does anything kind or generous for anyone but Trump. And lastly, his wealth is all debt. He's never had the riches to donate to any cause... even his hateful Republican ones.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
38. Because that would require Trump to be benevolent.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 11:41 AM
Dec 2018

Instead he'd rather hawk cheap merchandise like vodka, steaks and other get rich quick schemes.

Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
44. no, Lebron James isn't charging kids 30K at his new schools. He is providing everything
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 06:03 PM
Dec 2018

books, supplies, everything

bluescribbler

(2,116 posts)
45. Is he really a billionaire?
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 06:54 PM
Dec 2018

I think that's an important question. Since he refuses to release his tax returns, we have only HIS word, (for what it's worth), yhat he is as wealthy as he says. I'm beginning to doubt.

Don the Con, SHOW US THE MONEY!

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
49. Tax returns wouldn't prove his billionaireness one way or the other
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 10:12 PM
Dec 2018

If he only made $5.5 million last year from renting out his name, selling merchandise and robbing the government, the $20 billion in real estate wouldn't come into play.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
53. Alex, I'll take "Headlines from The Year 2150" for $2,000 please.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 10:59 PM
Dec 2018

The history books will not be kind. One of the reasons I'm bummed I wont live to be 200.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
54. Apart from the fact that philanthropy is a foreign concept to him,
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 11:01 PM
Dec 2018

he probably doesn't have enough money to donate a gazebo to a city park. I'm betting that when his tax returns and other financial info becomes public, we'll find out that his net worth is considerably less than zero.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
57. he actually did fix the Central Park skating rink for free (not really - the contractor
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 11:44 PM
Dec 2018

who he got to do it, did it for free). Trump promised him publicity and when it was done, Trump took all the glory and never even mentioned the contractor....not a single word.

Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
64. he crashed a charity event funded by donors other than him and took one of the seats on stage
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:37 AM
Dec 2018

because Trump sat in his seat, one of the main funders was left off the stage. There is a video of the event. The non profit head was horrified. Trump hadn't contributed but sucked up all the glory.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
66. A self promoter of epic proportions. Without even knowing or realizing he is doing it. Like
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:10 AM
Dec 2018

His ghost writer said, he is “value-less”. Being president is probably the biggest mistake he has ever made. He used to be able to get away with it. Now he will forever be labeled as a nutcase. But since he has no values, he will think his opponents are all crazy. Bottom line his MO, on a grand scale — it can’t be sustained. He will become sicker and sicker and ultimately crack completely.

ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
58. Turns out his only foundation was/is fraudulent--focused on TAKING money from "suckers,"
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 11:44 PM
Dec 2018

NOT helping anyone. SMFH. He is a very sick man with no conscience or understanding of what's right / wrong.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
62. I'm afraid there is.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 06:29 PM
Dec 2018

It's the Trump Pavilion for Nursing and Rehabilitation, in Queens. Can be seen from the boulevard every damn time you drive from the airport. Not discreet at all. Clearly wants credit. Established in 1975. But there it is.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
63. Oh, what makes anyone think he'd ever doing anything decent. There's
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:31 AM
Dec 2018

just nothing in his RECORD to indicate he would. Everybody has a RECORD. Check them out before voting the person into an office. Please. This is no time to be guessing who has the best charisma or makes the best speeches or the best promises. Check out candidates' RECORDS. If they don't have one, don't vote for them till they DO have one. Insist that the media ask what kind of "change" they have in mind.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
67. He's selfish. He's cheap. He's not as rich as he pretends to be.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:22 AM
Dec 2018

Ultimately, he is a low-brow, vulgar piece of trash who has never acquired the values or habits of the establishment wealthy. Philanthropy makes no sense to people like him. He despises humanity and culture. He would never think of putting his name on anything that couldn't return a profit.

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