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wroberts189

(4,105 posts)
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 01:00 AM Dec 2018

I know many here have differing opinions on Comey....



But the way he passionately spoke out today ..unusual in intensity for him. Especially how he called out faux news and noted the fact the potus is calling people "rats" ..telling it all like we know it was ..without a flinch and pure conviction. Calling out the pubs and their endless baseless closed door hearings...same questions asked same answers given (while we face a gov. shutdown)

It was simply amazing ... and even if you hold a grudge against him. I believe he deserves some credit and redemption.

Simply put it made my day.
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I know many here have differing opinions on Comey.... (Original Post) wroberts189 Dec 2018 OP
He screwed up with Clinton MaryMagdaline Dec 2018 #1
Perfect answer SCantiGOP Dec 2018 #2
It was more than just a "screw-up". His actions significantly contributed to the election for Trump still_one Dec 2018 #27
I believe Bernie also did screwed Clinton and helped Trump katmondoo Dec 2018 #30
Absolutely. Cha Dec 2018 #42
I try hard to give everyone an arc. byronius Dec 2018 #37
Well said. NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #45
I'll give him credit for today and several yesterdays gratuitous Dec 2018 #3
+1 violetpastille Dec 2018 #7
+1,000,000,000! BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #10
+1,000,000,001 iluvtennis Dec 2018 #21
I think what he did was a huge thing and undoubtedly altered the election. StevieM Dec 2018 #13
I hear you. I was out canvessing for Hillary those last 2 weeks and the letter did make a riversedge Dec 2018 #26
He would have to do something pretty major coeur_de_lion Dec 2018 #46
He's a man of integrity, but with an overblown ego. RDANGELO Dec 2018 #4
Comey has always tried to do what he considered the right thing, democratisphere Dec 2018 #5
I agree. He is a good man who is not perfect. nt Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #6
His book was very good..he has what the GOP dewsgirl Dec 2018 #8
no, he has a need to come off as some hero and does not do the right thing always JI7 Dec 2018 #14
He will never admit in a million years that he broke FBI precedent in 2016... cynatnite Dec 2018 #9
I think you meant to say "precedent." (eom) StevieM Dec 2018 #12
I did. I should go to bed. LOL. n/t cynatnite Dec 2018 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author ThingsGottaChange Dec 2018 #39
He was dead right today about Republicans lunatica Dec 2018 #11
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Dec 2018 #40
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2018 #15
Not sorry that he still makes me angry. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #17
The guy is definitely an enigma Pepsidog Dec 2018 #18
He's an enema. milestogo Dec 2018 #32
What I should have written is he is an enema, wrapped in a creep, inside an enigma.... Pepsidog Dec 2018 #34
He's honest, but also self serving. My complaint with him is Hassler Dec 2018 #19
+1, "He's honest, but also self serving." uponit7771 Dec 2018 #25
No one is perfect, and our system should be far more resilient and well informed lostnfound Dec 2018 #31
I say lets just work in alliance with anyone and everyone and get the job done- even those repubs Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2018 #20
Former repubs need a new job. Crutchez_CuiBono Dec 2018 #41
I personally believe that Comey found himself between a monsterous Stonepounder Dec 2018 #22
That's how I feel. too. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2018 #24
he never takes responsibility for anything AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #23
Oh,somewhere in-between the NYPD, Giuliani and his sources within, the Russians and fbi leakers , Wash. state Desk Jet Dec 2018 #28
My question is blueinredohio Dec 2018 #29
My opinion on Comey: Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2018 #33
Howard Dean said something similar wryter2000 Dec 2018 #36
If he hadn't done what he did to Clinton, this wouldn't be a thing! Stellar Dec 2018 #35
Arsonists working extremely hard to put out fires they started are not particularly heroic. n/t. NNadir Dec 2018 #38
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Dec 2018 #43
Comey is arrogant, and he sees himself as a good guy who is just trying to do the Nitram Dec 2018 #44

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
30. I believe Bernie also did screwed Clinton and helped Trump
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:08 AM
Dec 2018

He could have turned against Trump a lot sooner. He knew he was losing

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. I'll give him credit for today and several yesterdays
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 01:10 AM
Dec 2018

But the fact of the matter remains that his actions in late October 2016 were one of the little things that swung the election away from the candidate who got the most votes. Comey's pique with the present iteration of Republicans without acknowledging his own role in putting them where they are is still a problem for me. I'm upset as well with popular media outlets that decry Republican fuckery but who still can't bring themselves to own up to their role in putting the nation through this bullshit.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
13. I think what he did was a huge thing and undoubtedly altered the election.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:06 AM
Dec 2018

It didn't tip the scales, it overhauled the race.

The same could be said for his July press conference. And his decision to publicly label her "under FBI investigation" to begin with. And his decision to launch an investigation based on what he called "a public referral."

riversedge

(70,174 posts)
26. I hear you. I was out canvessing for Hillary those last 2 weeks and the letter did make a
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:46 AM
Dec 2018

noticeable difference. After Comey's letter, there was a tension, a questions, many mentioning the new emails that Comey mentioned. It was so noticeable and so sad---and made me so angry. I wish Comey would acknowledge he was so wrong to do this so close to the election. so wrong. But I do give him credit for today. He deserves a big Thank you for speaking out.

coeur_de_lion

(3,676 posts)
46. He would have to do something pretty major
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 11:45 PM
Dec 2018

to make up fpr screwing us out of an actual president. And handing the election to the orange buffoon.

What could he possibly do to atone for it?

I'm pleased that he seems to want to be helpful now.

But I'd like to see something more. At least an acknowledgement for what he did.

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
4. He's a man of integrity, but with an overblown ego.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 01:18 AM
Dec 2018

That caused him to do what he did concerning the Hillary e-mail thing.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
5. Comey has always tried to do what he considered the right thing,
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 01:19 AM
Dec 2018

regardless of political party or political conviction. Today Comey showed who's side he is on; America's side!

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
9. He will never admit in a million years that he broke FBI precedent in 2016...
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 01:52 AM
Dec 2018

Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:22 AM - Edit history (1)

when he made public reopening the investigation into Hillary Clinton. That's why I've got a problem with him.

It's good that he spoke out as he did, but in my mind...too little, too late.

Response to cynatnite (Reply #9)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
11. He was dead right today about Republicans
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:02 AM
Dec 2018

He was dead wrong then about hurting Hillary.

People are rarely either/or, right/wrong, all good or all bad.

People can be every shade of gray in between.

Comey is one of those. I believe that as he grows older he will understand his role in the 2016 elections. It will change him, and I don’t think it will be an easy change.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
15. Recommended.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:20 AM
Dec 2018

I respect Mr. Comey. And that's held true for many years. I might not agree with his opinions on some things, but he is an honorable man.

sprinkleeninow

(20,235 posts)
17. Not sorry that he still makes me angry.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:25 AM
Dec 2018

I'll ease up if he admits he screwed up, which he most likely will never.

Hassler

(3,370 posts)
19. He's honest, but also self serving. My complaint with him is
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:45 AM
Dec 2018

In the press conference he gave criticizing Clinton, while saying no crime was committed. Then in going public with the reopening of the case 11 days before the election because he believed Clinton was going to win. That shows a political calculus rather than a cop following leads.

lostnfound

(16,169 posts)
31. No one is perfect, and our system should be far more resilient and well informed
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 12:04 PM
Dec 2018

Anyone whose vote was influenced by the Hillary email announcement is too irrational or uninformed to vote. The dumbing down of the American people enabled the result.

Comey’s one announcement did not turn the election, and if it did, we have a bunch of dunces.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
20. I say lets just work in alliance with anyone and everyone and get the job done- even those repubs
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:57 AM
Dec 2018

former repubs that have had enough. We can go back to our regularly scheduled programming later, when this is all over.


Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
41. Former repubs need a new job.
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:27 AM
Dec 2018

Any party that helps others in their party is complicit in the whole shooting match. They knew what was up and didn't speak up, and just went along. The gop is rotten to the core.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
22. I personally believe that Comey found himself between a monsterous
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:25 AM
Dec 2018

rock and an impossible hard place.

Imagine that he hadn't said anything and Hillary won. And it turned out that there were a slew of classified emails on the server that they found. And tRump made a huge stink about it, the networks ran with it (because they all love bashing the Clintons). And Congress which would probably have stayed under GOP Control went ballistic, held more and more hearings about everything Clinton and probably ended up impeaching her.

Even if, as it actually turned out, there was nothing on the server, he still would have had Congress howling for his head for not disclosing the server earlier. My personal opinion is that Comey was totally screwed no matter what he did.

YMMV

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
23. he never takes responsibility for anything
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:42 AM
Dec 2018

including Hatch Act violation. The bar is so low now that we give credits and recognition for simply saying the right things. He is saying the right things, I’ll take it but will gop and repub voters listen to him or it’s same old preaching to the choir.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
28. Oh,somewhere in-between the NYPD, Giuliani and his sources within, the Russians and fbi leakers ,
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 06:38 AM
Dec 2018

I have no doubt there must a truth to be told or uncovered. I do recall reading the NYPD was putting pressure on the FBI office NYC over the ,scandal thing. here's a link to the daily mail sept. 2016. a refresher.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3801083/NYPD-Special-Victims-Unit-launches-investigation-Anthony-Weiner-DailyMail-com-reveals-line-sexting-relationship-15-year-old-girl.html

Comey did mention a suspected leaker in the NY fbi office's just the other day.Comey defends the integrity of the FBI , the thing of it, there is always a bad apple in every bunch.And Comey, he's not the bad guy.


I think Giuliani was in deep on that ordeal in it's entirety.






blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
29. My question is
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:49 AM
Dec 2018

Did this teach him what republicans are truly like? They will stop at nothing to get what they want.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,157 posts)
33. My opinion on Comey:
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 12:12 PM
Dec 2018

Overall, I think he's a honest, straight shooter. He'll make a great witness against Trump.

However, as FBI director, I think he was unable to control a few rogue elements within the organization and that lead to the mess in the run up to the election.

Could he have done a better job handling things? Probably.

Did he seek to actually sabotage Hillary's campaign? I don't think so at all.

If you follow Seth Abramson he's put together some good evidence that Comey's hand was forced against his will by a few rogue folks in the FBI, and it makes sense.

wryter2000

(46,025 posts)
36. Howard Dean said something similar
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:15 PM
Dec 2018

Howard Dean said he was over his head at the FBI. Comey probably did what he thought was right and made a huge mistake.

He stood up to the Bushies when they went to Ashcroft's ICU bed to try to force Ashcroft to approve something illegal. I don't believe he's the typical, corrupt Republican. In fact, if all Republicans were like him we'd be in pretty good shape.

Nitram

(22,776 posts)
44. Comey is arrogant, and he sees himself as a good guy who is just trying to do the
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:56 AM
Dec 2018

right thing. He will not admitt that he erred when he re-opened the Clinton investigation two weeks before the election. But I do appreciate the good he has done since.

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