Pelosi wasn't bluffing. She knew there were not enough votes for the wall.

[kpete]

“House GOP considered putting legislation on floor w/$5-B for border wall as Trump demanded. But leaders eventually told the president that there were not enough votes to pass it”

in other words, Pelosi wasn’t bluffing. she knew where the votes were.




MORE:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-republicans-struggle-to-persuade-trump-not-to-shut-down-the-government/2018/12/17/ed3e402e-0219-11e9-b6a9-0aa5c2fcc9e4_story.html

Link to tweet

[MaryMagdaline]

1. She always knows the vote count.

[Ohiogal]

2. That's because she is the smartest person in Congress.

[LiberalBrooke]

3. Do not underestimate Pelosi.

She knows what she is talking about.

[OnDoutside]

4. I hope people remember this when they think about shouting their mouth off about impeachment.

[Farmer-Rick]

13. Has she been asked if the votes are there for impeachment?

It's probably too early to tell. We have to actually take over the house first.

[NewJeffCT]

14. I think once hearings and investigations start

support for impeachment will increase both in Congress and in the general public.

[Kittycow]

16. Yeah, I want to watch it unfold organically like that as well.

[watoos]

18. I have no problem with people like Maxine Waters,

shouting her mouth off pushing for impeachment and I have no problem with people pushing to wait for Mueller.

United we stand, divided we fall.

Journalists should start asking Congressional Republicans if they favor impeachment, there is enough evidence out there right now to warrant it, right?

I'm against the narrative that impeachment talk should only be whispered in dark places.

[Baltimike]

26. This Ravens fan stands whole heartedly with this Steelers fan. nt

[Srkdqltr]

29. Shouting her mouth off?

That's nasty.

[Srkdqltr]

30. Mean and uncalled for.

[samnsara]

36. love Maxine and Im sure glad shes on OUR side!

[FM123]

5. Yep - she alway knows!

Knowtorious NDP

[ananda]

6. This is where experience and savvy count!

She will be a good speaker!

[Achilleaze]

7. Fight republican lies with truth

republicans scurry like rats when the Truth Light gets lit bright and hard. Corporate media really needs to step forward and DO ITS JOB now. They have been failing in both courage and integrity.

&f=1

[beachbum bob]

8. niether Ryan or McConnel had support with their people to pass this and why trump wnet after Pelosi

and democrats to make THEM the problem. Why would trump think bullying democrats would work? If he shuts the govt down its on trump himself and the GOP. They own it, the american people know it. We can live with it until trump caves again.....but its up to the GOP in congress to make THAT happen

[MyOwnPeace]

12. What?

We're supposed to expect the GOP to do something FOR the people?

HA!

Nancy will lead the way, the correct way!

[beachbum bob]

15. the conservative faction was holding out for other stuff in the house

and the more "moderate ones" in the Senate didn't see a need for $5 billion at this time

[DownriverDem]

9. I hope

those who thought we needed a newbie as Speaker finally see the follies of their ways.

[Nitram]

10. Pelosi doesn't bluff and she doesn't threaten. She lays out the facts and leaves the rest

up to her opponents.

[gratuitous]

11. You don't say!

It's almost as if Speaker-to-be-again Pelosi knows more about the House and vote counts than the Emperor Trump. How can that be, if not witchcraft? Why isn't the FBI investigating this?! Unfair! It's rumored that Pelosi uses Arabic numerals in her infernal calculations. Sorcery!

[aggiesal]

34. Anyone who uses Arabic numerals should be sent to Gitmo ...

End of discussion.
.
.
.

Do I need that sarcasm thingy?









OK, here it is

[Bettie]

17. I may occasionally have reservations about things she says

well, pretty much the one thing, when she said impeachment was off the table and she wouldn't pursue anything against W and his cohorts, but I sincerely doubt she says things that she doesn't know the answer to.

She doesn't come across as someone who bothers to bluff.

[IronLionZion]

19. She's great at her job and Trump is a miserable failure

If you come at the queen you best not miss

[localroger]

20. Pelosi is a leader. Her job is to maximize the endgame.

There's a place for activists to agitate for things that Pelosi knows aren't (yet) going to happen, but it's Pelosi's job to make sure we get as much of our agenda signed into working law as possible. Our Representatives are there to represent us, after all. But Pelosi's job is larger; she needs to get as much of our agenda as possible signed into actual law, and wasting time with stuff that can't pass a floor vote or move through the Senate doesn't do that. That means she needs to know who is doing what on both sides of the aisle in both houses of Congress, and she is a world class player on that field. By comparison Ryan and McTurtle are amateurs trying to play checkers with a chess set.

[EffieBlack]

22. Excellent explanation!

You should make this an OP

[brush]

31. There's a problem that might arise. It only takes a simple majority in the House...

to vote for impeachment. It's likely that some Dem reps will favor a floor vote.

Speaker Pelosi will have to handle that as, unlike the House, in the Senate 2/3s of the votes are needed to convict.

[EffieBlack]

21. Pelosi doesn't bluff

If she tells you you don't have the votes, you don't have the votes. Period.

[bitterross]

23. THIS, is why she deserves to be Leader of the House!

SHE knows how to lead and run the House. Unlike Paul Ryan and the GOP.

She has her stuff together. And, it pisses off the GOP. So that makes it even better.

[Gothmog]

24. trump lacks the GOP votes to get his package adopted in the House

[LiberalFighter]

25. Amazing!! She even knows how some Republicans will vote as current Minority Leader.

Her job will be a little bit easier when she becomes Speaker again.

[Wounded Bear]

27. Nobody counts votes like Ms Pelosi...

Nobody.

[NoMoreRepugs]

28. Madam Speaker told it to his face and he scoffed. Who's WINNING now Douchebag?

[djacq]

32. Pelosi; Queen checkmate's Russian Pawn!

Talk about an I told you so.

[George II]

33. She's probably the shrewdest politician in Washington. Who needs a whip when you have Nancy Pelosi?

[Me.]

35. So Then, She's Not Too Old & Feeble To Count

or to stare Individual 1 down

[Cuthbert Allgood]

39. I don't think anyone here is saying she's old and feeble.

My argument for a new Speaker has been about trying to engage the younger voters and to have leadership in the party that more represents the population of Dems (i.e. fewer people that are old and white and male).

But, hey, if building straw men makes you happy, have at it, I guess.

[Me.]

43. The Argument Against Her Has Been All About Her Age

and there's nothing straw manish about that. And as I didn't address my comment to you, maybe you feel defensive about it. And younger is not a sure-all, cure-all, especially without experience.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

44. Not that she's feeble. That's the straw man.

Not saying younger is a cure all. But we have a distinct problem in that the make up of the House and Senate is WAY more old, white, and male than the population. Dems could make steps to at least remedy that in the leadership.

And as you posted on a discussion board in which anyone can reply to you, whether you addressed your comment to me is inconsequential as to my reply. It's what a discussion board is about.

[Me.]

45. You're Right

in regard to I should've used sarcasm smilie though age is often acquainted with being feeble. I also notice you've moved your point to being about white and male, which doesn't apply to her.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

48. That makes sense, then.

I think I've been pretty consistent that we have a congress that is too old, white, and male. She meets two of those. We can do better. We need to do better.

[Me.]

49. We'll Have To Agree To Disagre On Nancy

I don't think we'll ever see the likes of her again and I want her to stay as long as she is able to do the job as well as she has been. I know she has agreed to 2 more but we'll see. I suspect the ones going will be the so-called rebels

[Cuthbert Allgood]

37. I would like a new face as Speaker, but I would never doubt her understanding of the vote numbers

When she said that there weren't the votes, I had no thought that she was bluffing. I was pretty sure she had the exact numbers with a very small margin of error.

[dlk]

38. Of Course Pelosi Knew the Votes Weren't There

She actually does her job and does it better than anyone.

[calimary]

40. She ALWAYS knows where the votes are.

When she talks, you can believe her. When she talks, you can take it to the bank.

I wouldn’t blame anyone whose first instinct is to hesitate about this. We’ve learned not to take politicians’ word for it - particularly from experiencing trump. So little truth and honesty out there these days! I’m not surprised that it isn’t recognized right away.

And she was RIGHT, TOO. That’s because Nancy Pelosi has been around. She’s been at this for a LOOONNNNNNNNNG time. She grew up with it in Baltimore, with a dad and a brother who were mayors. I bet they talked politics at the breakfast table!

Sometimes, taking advantage of what an older person brings to the table is a good thing. Change simply for the sake of change is often ill-advised. One can certainly go ahead and place one’s bets with the rookie or the prospect with minimal experience. Or choose the nice young horse that is new to the mountain trail and isn’t familiar doesn’t know where all the safest footfalls are. I’d rather stick with a proven winner. Who knows the ropes in her bone marrow.

And for those wanting “change,” okay! Right HERE! THIS is a big one. Especially considering what we’ve been up against, til now.

[mcar]

41. She always knows

She's a great leader!

[usaf-vet]

42. She knew it wouldn't pass and get to his desk. And Trump knew it... sitting in Oval office meeting.

Combine what Pelosi knew about the House and what Trump was hearing from McTurtle in the Senate HE KNOWS the wall is dead. Trump kept repeating "I need 10 dems in the senate".

Clearly the votes do not exist in Congress to give him a wall.

IMO he is pissed not because he really wants a wall. What he really wants is kick back money from contractors who would build the wall.

It is now and has always been about the money [He] "wants his fucking money!".

[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11555614|

[kpete]

46. Schumer just called McConnell and rejected his "offer" of a $1 billion border slush fund,

which was supposed to give Trump a way of saving face, I'm told.

Link to tweet

[usaf-vet]

47. Good! Keep the pressure on!

[Cha]

51. Wow, Again! Thanks, kpete!

& Sen Schumer!

[Cha]

50. Wow.. not even with traitor ryan at

the helm.

And, Nancy knew this!

[Doodley]

52. But Trump said it would get enough votes in two seconds.