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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders Has Highest Approval Among Nonwhite Voters in Recent CNN Poll
In a CNN poll released on December 14, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), who finished second in the 2016 Democratic presidential primary, was seen as having both the second-highest overall approval rating among adults polled, and the highest approval rating among nonwhite adults who were surveyed.
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Starting on page 15 of the poll, CNN broke down the favorability of each candidate based on various demographics. While former Vice President Joe Biden won the highest overall approval among likely Democratic candidates with 54 percent to Bernie Sanders 51 percent, Sen. Sanders actually won the nonwhite demographic, with 58 percent to Bidens 56 percent.
Other potential 2020 candidates respondents weighed in on included Senators Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts), Cory Booker (D-New Jersey), and Kamala Harris (D-California), along with Representative Beto ORourke (D-Texas). However, most respondents had never heard of them, leaving Biden and Sanders as the two likely frontrunners, should they declare a run for the presidency.
https://gritpost.com/bernie-sanders-approval-nonwhite/?fbclid=IwAR30SbI0o86VyKjwjAg0qiXO0NDzvuG5TRAkVBmKmAijJ_78FXhvISuZVCM
Voltaire2
(12,610 posts)Chemisse
(30,793 posts)We'll see how things go when the whole pool of candidates is out there and people get to know their options.
Cha
(295,899 posts)Chemisse
(30,793 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)before because he was competing with the right for white populist voters and it would have driven those away.
What happened is easier to understand in retrospect on realizing that we've had two populist movements, one on the right and one on the left. Large portions of populists are various mixtures of socially conservative and economically progressive and trend left or right depending on which passions are stronger at any particular time.
Though Sanders' economic populism drew some, we now know, for instance, that those famous white working class male Democrats who chose Trump's nationalist populism did so because they'd OD'd on equality. Their biggest populist resentment was that they were losing their white male privileges. Focused against women definitely, but especially against POC.
A lot of us didn't really understand why Sanders wasn't committing to address the issues POC required to support him. That said, we know Russia was and is trying hard to split as many POC off as possible, just as they did those white male supremacists to Trump, and/or to Sanders.
Eko
(7,170 posts)nuff said.
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)Link to tweet
The survey from She the People questioned 264 women of color across the country. Of the people surveyed, 50% of the women identified as black, 40% as Latinx, 16% as Asian, and 5% as Native American. The survey was conducted from Nov. 29, 2018, through Dec. 13, 2018.
sl8
(13,584 posts)From https://www.shethepeople.org/poll
Other options included:
Michael Avenatti (.4%), Michael Bloomberg (3.1%), Sherrod Brown (3.9%), Steve Bullock (0%), Julian Castro (9%), Andrew Cuomo (2%), John Delaney (0%), Tulsi Gabbard (5.5%), Eric Garcetti (2.7%), Kirsten Gillibrand (6.6%), John Hickenlooper (1.2%), Eric Holder (7.8%), Jay Inslee (.8%), Joe Kennedy III (2%), Amy Klobuchar (3.1%), Mitch Landrieu (1.6%), Terry McAuliff (.4%), Jeff Merkley (2.3%), Richard Ojeda (0%), Deval Patrick (4.3%), Tom Steyer (.8%), Eric Swalwell (.4%), Andrew Yang (0%), Other (6.6%)
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Cha
(295,899 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)MariePinchon
(86 posts)https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryancbrooks/kamala-harris-2020-president-black-women-survey
I would argue that he also has a problem with the majority of Democratic voters. He lost the 2016 primary and it wasn't even close.
When you add fresh, impressive candidates such as Kamala Harris or Beto O'Rourke, Bernie will get lost in a heartbeat.
karynnj
(59,474 posts)to having a problem with the majority of Democratic voters? First of all, not being in the first 3 choices does not mean you would not support. (For instance, if I would have been asked in 1991 -- my top three would have been Cuomo (who was the "front runner before he didn't run, Tsongus and Brown .. and I also liked Harkin.) Does that mean I would not support Kerrey or Clinton in the general election? Absolutely not.
That said, I have posted for months that I think Bernie is highly unlikely to get the percent of delegates that he got last time. For almost the entire country, by primary time, there was a very constrained choice -- HRC or Bernie. I would bet that many voting for each were excited by their vote .. and a lot of the others were simply voting for the one they liked better than the other, but who were not excited. I seriously doubt that Bernie will win the nomination.
These polls now are way to early -- not to mention, this is not based on a random sample of POC women. The organization, She the People, did a STRAW POLL of their members. First, their members are self selected and may not be representative of all POC women. In addition, this is a straw poll and straw polls are not scientific samples.
From their link:
She the People a national network of influential women of color in politics just completed a national straw poll of 264 women of color leaders, campaign workers and managers, political strategists, organizers, and activists ahead of the 2020 presidential election. Those surveyed included campaign donors (48.5%), current and former elected officials (10.6%), campaign managers (5.7%), electoral campaign strategists (8.7%), and women who run (23.1%) or work (23.5%) at politically-minded organizations.
Of the women of color surveyed, nearly 40% identify as Latinx, and nearly 50% identify as African American, over 16% identify as Asian, and over 5% as Native. Nearly 90% of respondents identified as members of the Democratic Party.
MariePinchon
(86 posts)https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryancbrooks/kamala-harris-2020-president-black-women-survey
JCanete
(5,272 posts)mainstream politicians connect the dots that we can't achieve racial justice without also tackling, in a serious way, economic injustice. We cannot do one without the other, and pretending that we just need to make a few tweaks to things to make our "meritocracy" purr is our real problem. Pretending that just rewarding the best and maybe giving a little bit more to the rest of the population as a charitable consolation prize, is our real problem.
Also, the justification in the article for suggesting Sanders can't reach people of color is based heavily on the first couple states with a large poc population where he struggled mightily, in large part because Bill and Hillary Clinton have been household names for decades. Without knowing who Sanders was, Clinton was the safe bet, and almost nobody knew who Sanders was. The favorables being discussed in this thread that he enjoys today would not have looked anything like this at the time of those particular primaries.
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)problem with people of color in the future...cuz you know....zzzzz.
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)who goes there had it gone black once again, and my words met with only silence.
I appreciate your drive-by responses as much as the next person, but unless you're going to engage, I'm going to return the favor.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)There is no way in hell I'd ever vote for him the primaries.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,780 posts)Both have fewer people than the D of C.
We need a 1.5 million population floor on states and a 10 million population max.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,858 posts)so there is a lot to change in that regard if it actually needs to change. (I don't think it needs to change, for the record).
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,780 posts)Easily enough to convene a CC and amend.
edited: I included PR - which damn well should be a state.
Also, I'd consider exempting Alaska.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)got a feeling I know what that one looks like.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I just clicked the link in the OP and here's what it shows for the latest polling period:
(JB) Joe Biden - Favorable Opinion - December 06-09, 2018 - 54%
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/12/14/rel12e.-.2020.and.economy.pdf
As for the stat buried on page 15 it's basically meaningless as it's less than the sampling error.
Hope that helps!
Cha
(295,899 posts)And, he's 3rd party.
This is a Democratic Board.. I know I don't have to tell you that.
ucr
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I predict an early exit this time around.
Tiptoeing carefully here . . .
And on a completely unrelated note happy holiday!
Cha
(295,899 posts)Mele Kalikimaka!
Blue Wave! Dems!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)peggysue2
(10,811 posts)it doesn't appear to filter through the endless rah-rah posts for BS, a non-Democrat, a coat-tail Dem at best who will never be our nominee.
This ain't a replay of 2016. We've all been down that twisty, unpaved road before. Been there, saw that, not going to happen again.
But as a distraction from the woes and tribulations of Trumpski and Co., the absolute debacle that was 2016, these endless, pointless polls serve a purpose: divide and conquer.
Again, ain't going to happen.
Cha
(295,899 posts)down that rocky road to hell. And, we're just coming out of it with Robert Mueller and the Democratic Blue Wave.
Turns out Not to be true as BS & MM stated "Russia investigation is a distraction".
Thank Goodness for our Blue Dems like Adam Schiff and all those who Persisted!
Peggysue
Sparkly
(24,141 posts)how Russia worked to undermine our Democratic candidate's esteem among African Americans despite decades of good work and goodwill -- and of course, continuing criticism for winning the nomination by campaigning for votes among black people in the south, which 'doesn't count' in the general, rather than focusing on white folks up north, the only winning strategy...
I think I need to hibernate through the primaries this time.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)favorability overall? Biden beats Sanders in favorability as a large result of white voters impacting the data, if I remember what I read earlier. What is the sampling error you are referring to in this case? Okay, so maybe Biden and Sanders are in the same ballpark. It still really fucks with the mythology that Sanders is only liked by white male Bernie Bros.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It's on pp. 15-16 of the link I gave. And that is a very thin reed indeed.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)elocs
(22,474 posts)and not just one who chooses to caucus with the Democratic Party because his only other choice is to caucus with the Republicans,
or one who just uses the Democratic Party to run for president because he knows there is no other way to win the presidency.
We will have a good number of qualified and actual members of the Democratic Party who will be candidates for its nomination,
I'll be satisfied with them.
winstars
(4,213 posts)elocs
(22,474 posts)which is the 'Democratic' (adjective) Party.
Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and he is not a member of the Democratic Party.
winstars
(4,213 posts)elocs
(22,474 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)It's a name recognition poll being used as something else.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)This poll in the op actually gives additional information that is useful(some of it has no use). The manner in which it was taken to put this piece together makes it a clear propaganda piece.
At a minimum the 44/42 shows polarization.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)has been alienating people of color , as is often claimed here. And this poll, like 2 or 3 before it comes to the same conclusions. Sanders is less popular among white males than any other demographic, despite the Bernie Bro refrain.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)It establishes nothing as you think it does. That is also not the only flaw in your statistical analysis.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)but no poll ever is. If you want to say that about polls in general, feel free.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)No Independents, no pretend, temporary Democrats.
ismnotwasm
(41,917 posts)Jesus Fucking Christ.
progressoid
(49,824 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,917 posts)What its history is based on and why its still used even today.
LexVegas
(6,005 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Elizabeth Warren
Cory Booker
Kamala Harris
Well THAT says a lot about those most voters...