Trump giving Putin a win in Syria - what the fuck does this mean?

[realmirage]

Is he taking direct orders from Putin? Is this a sign trump believes his days are numbered in office and is giving putin a bag of goodies in exchange for some business deals later on? Does putin really have a pee tape on trump? This is very strange. Is Ukraine next? What kind of horrible shit is trump going to give putin before he's gone?

[lapfog_1]

1. Putin wanted a few parting gifts

Syria, eastern Ukraine, etc.

Pardons to be issued just before the resignation.

[realmirage]

2. This trump presidency is veering into dangerous territory

Is our president now working for russia? what the hell is going on?

[lapfog_1]

3. "now working for russia"???

uh, yeah... since way before the election

[realmirage]

10. yeah i mean we can all see putin has him by the balls

but pulling out of syria is a big fucking deal. And if this is putin's order then this is a whole new level of america being in danger.

[Eliot Rosewater]

11. Rump owes him 4 billion, i think that is now obvious.

Rump does what putin tells him to do.

The number 4 comes from various stories I have read and just common sense. rump has failed in every business and that takes a lot of money

[realmirage]

25. This presidency is a real test of just how strong our

constitution is, with checks and balances and separation of powers. If it can survive trump, I think it means america has a chance to survive longer than it currently appears we will.

[dameatball]

4. Maybe it gives Turkey the green light to finally take out the Kurds and in return Turkey squashes

further information on the Kashoggi murder, including possible links to the Trump family. Quid Pro Quo.

[realmirage]

12. I wouldn't be surprised. Mueller needs to stop this damage

[haele]

13. I know the dictator's club is tight with each other, but if I were in charge of Turkey...

Knowing that Putin is on my Northern Border and a Putin proxy is setting up to be on my Southern Border, I'd be more worried about my own country's longevity - political and economic - than Kurds.
Especially since I would be the only strong power holding the Bosporus, if he decides his country's expansion into the Black Sea and Mediterranean is in his personal economic self-interest.
Taking all the Black Sea ports from Ukraine - and he's pretty much the proxy head of Georgia - all he needs is Romania and Bulgaria (feebly kicking and screaming, if Drumphf and his cohort choose to continue counting on those Rostov profit shares for their comfort), and then Turkey will have to be the next to go, especially since that country is in the way of his Syria holdings.

It's like gang territories.

Haele

[dameatball]

34. Malcolm Nance had a bit different view this morning. Trump is not a great strategic thinker. If he

can save his hide or that of a family member by selling out the Kurds he will do it. Turkey has wanted the Kurds gone for years, as they want their own autonomy and a part of that would be in Turkey. U.S. military working with the Kurds has been a buffer. Now Trump pulls them out? There is currently an OP that says Trump did not even consult the military before making this decision.


I have no problem with your view on Turkey's geographic position at all and what that entails. That is one reason they joined NATO.

[SunSeeker]

5. This pleases Erdogan too, since this this leaves the Kurds twisting in the wind.

After the Kurds helped us defeat ISIS, we are abandoning the Kurds to be slaughtered by Erdogan.

[dalton99a]

7. +1

[realmirage]

14. And then who will ever work with us again in a similar situation?

America's word means shit now?

[SunSeeker]

20. Exactly. nt

[dameatball]

35. Exactly. Ask the Cambodian refugees.

[octoberlib]

30. Yep, It's a betrayal.

[Grasswire2]

6. yes yes yes

also benefitting Saudis.

[Grasswire2]

17. Reuters saying the decision came after Trump call with Erdogan.

I don't have a link; saw it discussed on twitter.

From Reuters:

The decision came after a phone call between U.S. President Donald Trump and his Turkish counterpart Tayyip Erdogan on Friday. “Everything that has followed is implementing the agreement that was made in that call,” the official said.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. Bottom line,

Putin wins his Deep Water Naval Base as well as a Oil Pipe Line Terminal for his Oil. It is all about Foreign Petro Dollars flowing back to Russia in order to prevent another Uprising.

[realmirage]

27. the questions is why the hell is trump going along with this guy

that's the part that freaks me out

[Wellstone ruled]

31. Sure looks like Donnie of

no Ethics,is a very compromised person. Agent of Russia? Hmm. Owes his Ass to Russian Money and Mob people,yes.

The Cohen Trial will flush this out. Is his fat rear end in a sling with the Russian Mob? Are his food tasters having issues?

[walkingman]

9. I am no expert on geopolitical issues but personally I am glad to see the US withdraw from Syria

in fact I would like to see us withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. Enough of these meaningless endless wars. All I am saying.......is give peace a chance!

[realmirage]

16. I understand your sentiment but reality requires otherwise

Allowing ISIS to take control of any of the countries you mentioned would make 9/11 look like small fry. They'd have access to all kinds of funds and a large territory to train and spread. I hate war as much as anybody. But I also have to accept that in the real world, war is sometimes a necessity.

[walkingman]

21. I don't want to hijack this topic BUT I don't think the last 17 years of war in Afgan and Iraq

and now Syria have made the US any safer. In fact, I would argue that our action has not reduced the terror threat but that the number of Islamist-inspired terrorists have substantially increased since 9/11, and the increase appears to be in response to U.S. military operations rather than despite them. This is an ideology not a single group of people. I suspect that there will be a civil war in these areas regardless of whether we continue our military presence. My suggestion is we should step back from the war on terror and emphasize internal homeland security and external intelligence gathering.

Happy Xmas (War Is Over if we want it)

[realmirage]

23. If ISIS had taken control of those countries

17 years ago you'd have a very clear sense of the safety now versus the amount of terrorism worldwide that would be occurring if ISIS had control of all that oil and the funds that come with it, and whole countries to use as bases for training, planning, and spreading.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

24. The only way to win in the Middle East is not to play

To steal a line from "WarGames"

Once upon a time, we did stand with the Arabs against French and British hegemony. Now, it's pretty much standing with the oil interests and Israel. But the good news is this: we don't need Middle Eastern oil. Between vehicles becoming more efficient; the increasing viability of green energy; our improved ability to extract our own petroleum; and our increasing number of workers who don't frequently commute beyond their homes, we really don't need to import petroleum.

At some point, the Middle East needs to figure it out for themselves. A lot of this started when we decided to defend an absolute monarchy from a military dictator in what is now known as Gulf War I.

[realmirage]

28. whatever side issues exist, ISIS cannot be allowed to take control of a country

and that's exactly what they want to do. For obvious reasons, that would be all kinds of terrible for america

[Algernon Moncrieff]

40. Why? Is ISIS planning an amphibious invasion of the East Coast?

The Middle East is not our circus, not our monkeys.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

15. hurrying before Jan 3

[Grasswire2]

18. yep

whatever Putin wants, before then

[Jake Stern]

19. It's the Russkies!!!

The 80's called and they want their hyperbole back.

Do you really think Russia is going to help out ISIS? Not a chance.

Time to take a break from sticking our noses in other people's civil wars.

[realmirage]

29. well, initially it was about stopping ISIS from seizing control

when the country went off the rails

[Algernon Moncrieff]

22. Ukraine is coming soon, if not next.

And NATO isn't going to ride in and save them.

I'm curious to see where Bibi/Israel fall on this issue.

[pecosbob]

32. We actually had US fighter jets flying in Ukrainian airspace last week

as part of a NATO saber rattle. I don't know if the Joint Chiefs and the"president" are on the same page these days.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

42. I really doubt we are going to do anything in Ukraine

The US isn't going to see Putin going after territory that has - for centuries - been part of "Greater Russia" as being worth nuclear war. NATO/the EU won't do anything without us.

[pecosbob]

26. Now there's an axis of evil for you

Putin, Assad, al Saud, Netanyahu, Erdogan and Trump...all of them but one would like a war with Iran and he won't lift a finger as long as they can figure out a way to get Magnitsky neutered.

I even read an article that had Netanyahu giving the Saudis a pass on the Khashoggi murder where he referred to them as Israel's ally in fighting Iran. Not to slam Israel or anything, but this is starting to look like a bad Ludlum novel.

[Runningdawg]

33. Not going to happen

the congressional stockholders won't allow it. They will let Trump get away with a lot of shit but affecting their bottom line isn't one of them.

[oberliner]

36. Do you think we should keep troops in Syria?

[Vinca]

37. Maybe it means a chunk of Don's debt is now paid off.

[spanone]

38. it means that whatever putin has on trump will stay unreleased for now...

[triron]

39. just takin orders from his boss.

[UniteFightBack]

41. The OVERT in your FACE nature of this muthafucka is infuriating. Here ya go Vladdy Daddy....

rump gets me (us) sick. Enough is enough with this used fuckbag ENOUGH.

[pwb]

43. Wait a minute aren't we suppose to be against war?

Invading countries, killing any people who aren't white? I say get the fuck out of Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, all of them. Its been long enough and the money could be used for good else where.