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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBorder patrol detained 5 mo. old in freezing cell, denied antibiotics, child now hospitalized
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/infant-sick-border-patrol-coldThe girl's mother said her daughter got increasingly sick after being held in "freezing" cells.
A. Portillo, the girl's mother (who asked to be identified only by her first initial because she is fleeing from an abusive partner), said she jumped a low part of the border fence with her daughter on Dec. 12 near Tijuana before being detained by Border Patrol agents.
The 23-year-old mother said she and her daughter were then placed in holding cells that migrants call hieleras, or iceboxes. The holding cells have been criticized by human rights advocates who describe them as "often poor and in several critical respects identical to those previously found by US courts to be in violation of [Customs and Border Protection's] obligations and prior commitments."
The girl had been taking the antibiotic amoxicillin, but Portillo said she wasn't allowed to keep the medication in detention. She described the temperatures inside the cells as "freezing."
Portillo told agents that her daughter was sick shortly after being detained, but they told Portillo it was normal and that everyone coming into the holding cells was ill. She wasn't allowed to get new medication or see a doctor.
"I said I needed a hospital because her breathing was getting worse," Portillo told BuzzFeed News. "The agents told me I wasn't in a position to be asking for anything and that they didn't tell me to come to the United States."
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)vs letting them starve to death in a cell.
Ohiogal
(31,660 posts)Where is the outrage among staunch Chistians over stories like this?
erronis
(14,952 posts)It's time for yet another cult - Mormons, Scientologists, Wacos, Trumporgs
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Just like the Trump presidency has exposed the right for what IT really always was.
Zoonart
(11,749 posts)What country am I in?
When the Dems take the house, the first thing they must do is cut off the funding for this horror show and shut it down.
WWJD? These are the same monsters always going on about Jesus. WWJD?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,039 posts)Actually, we need to remove all Nazis from offices of public trust -- they can't be trusted to act in the interests of the public.
Just a Weirdo
(488 posts)And the ICE returns to INS.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)It really will be them or us. Just like in WWII.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,039 posts)Send 'em all there. They can bootstrap their colony.
watoos
(7,142 posts)The one tent complex in Texas, I think, is costing 1 million dollars a day.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)People need to wake up, Sinclair Lewis saw this coming almost 100 years ago.
[link:http://www.feedbooks.com/book/3659/it-can-t-happen-here|
Perseus
(4,341 posts)It Can't Happen Here is a semi-satirical political novel by Sinclair Lewis published in 1935. It features newspaperman Doremus Jessup struggling against the fascist regime of President Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, who resembles Gerald B. Winrod, the Kansas evangelist whose far-right views earned him the nickname "The Jayhawk Nazi".
It serves as a warning that political movements akin to Nazism can come to power in countries such as the United States when people blindly support their leaders.
People blind themselves thinking that "It Can't Happen Here!", they don't realize that it can definitely happen, and that is how it always happens because people don't believe it, even when it is happening. Its a great book, worth the read.
erronis
(14,952 posts)I need to revisit Sinclair Lewis. He was never really given much weight in my english/lit classes.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Zoonart
(11,749 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The underlying case is Jane Doe, et al. v. Johnson, et al., which was filed as a class action in the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona in June of 2015. The lawsuit alleges that Tucson Sector Border Patrol holds men, women, and children, including babies, in freezing, overcrowded, and filthy cells for days at a time in violation of the U.S. Constitution and the agencies own policies. Detained individuals are stripped of outer layers of clothing and forced to suffer in brutally cold temperatures; deprived of beds, bedding, and sleep; denied adequate food, water, medicine, medical care, and basic hygiene items such as soap, sufficient toilet paper, sanitary napkins, diapers, and showers; and held virtually incommunicado in these conditions for days.
http://immigrationimpact.com/2016/06/30/photographic-evidence-conditions-cbps-short-term-detention-facilities-hieleras-revealed/
This is pre-Trump.
mcar
(42,210 posts)Border Patrol agents need to be charged.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Read this article from 2014, for example:
https://www.npr.org/2014/07/24/334041633/amid-wave-of-child-immigrants-reports-of-abuse-by-border-patrol
zaj
(3,433 posts)To paraphrase a Famous Racist:
"When Trump's Border Patrol sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems to us. They're sending mean, dangerous racists. And some, I assume, are good people."
oberliner
(58,724 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Who was sick was denied treatment
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Hence you insistence of repeating it ad nauseum seems to do nothing other than project your own consistent narrative.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Those were the ones I responded to - attempting to correct that misconception.
For example:
"Trump has given permission to be mean"
"Direct result of Trump's words and policies"
"This one (and many others) are on tRump. Big part of his legacy."
malaise
(267,812 posts)Who are these fucking monsters?
How can they do this to children?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,039 posts)It was penned for a different problem, but it fits so many others:
malaise
(267,812 posts)The truth
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,788 posts)calimary
(80,696 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Good that people are finally taking notice - but this has been the norm for a while now, pre-Trump.
KG
(28,749 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,246 posts)Honestly, what???
Johnny2X2X
(18,745 posts)Trump calls immigrants animals and constantly talks about making it tough on them. This is the direct result. We're torturing women and children because Trump wants us to.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)In October 2015, CBP updated its guidance on how long it may detain individuals. The new guidance states that short-term detention generally should last no longer than 72 hours. Notably, however, no structural changes have been made to the facilities. These facilities, which are often referred to as hieleras (Spanish for freezers or iceboxes), remain wholly inadequate forany overnight detention. Moreover, the conditions are reprehensible, even with respect to truly short-term detention. In addition to the fact that there are no beds in the holding cells, these facilities are extremely cold, frequently overcrowded, and routinely lacking in adequate food, water, and medical care. Recent accounts from families held in short-term facilities also demonstrate that Border Patrol officers harass and ridicule individuals in their custody and separate mothers from their minor children.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/hieleras-iceboxes-rio-grande-valley-sector
LittleGirl
(8,261 posts)be slapped upside the head for shit like this. "they didn't tell me to come to the US". WTF is that about? And why don't they have any heat? It's December!
Baby is sick and you took away her antibiotics. I hope the baby recovers.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,788 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)atreides1
(16,046 posts)But the CBP and ICE have done nothing to fix it, have they?
Couldn't DHS have procured construction contracts to modernize these facilities?
While there is a new administration, ICE and CBP have always had the same mindset...be sadistic and cruel!
In the Tucson there groups that leave food and water near the trails that people use...the CBP has been videoed destroying those supplies!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/01/23/border-patrol-accused-of-targeting-aid-group-that-filmed-agents-dumping-water-left-for-migrants/?utm_term=.2fa4396af51d
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018/01/18/montini-why-would-border-patrol-agents-destroy-lifesaving-water-jugs-left-migrants/1047070001/
I personally believe that there is an element within the CBP that gets a sadistic thrill in causing pain to immigrants seeking asylum!!!
And as long as the sadists are protected and revered as guardians of our precious borders...I fear we will see more of this!!!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The whole thing has been a nightmare for a very long time. Steps definitely should have been taken long ago - and hopefully will finally be taken now.
Fla Dem
(23,351 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)They are deplorables. This action by ICE on a five month old baby is just further evidence. Hopefully the little girl survives.
Moral Compass
(1,498 posts)Yes, it can happen here.
The Border Patrol treats their victims with the same cruel inhumanity that the Nazis treated the subhuman untermenschen they packed into cattle cars and concentration camps.
They did this to a 5 month old. Last week it was a 7 year old who they failed to give water. She died and this 5 month old baby could also die.
Their sole argument is that these people (subhuman parasites, takers not makers, useless eaters...) shouldnt have come here uninvited if they didnt want to be maltreated.
Onward Christian soldiers...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Why did folks look the other way when this has been going on for a while?
treestar
(82,383 posts)As if no sick 5 months old child were involved.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or something unique to the current administration.
These sorts of abuses have been ongoing for years and documented extensively.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That is this bad.
LuckyCharms
(17,287 posts)If they are going to detain them, they are fucking well responsible for their well-being.
This is some very bad shit that is going on. These people are being dehumanized. These republicans in congress need to pay attention...or maybe they are paying attention. Fucking infuriating.
This feels like "interesting times".
oberliner
(58,724 posts)"I suffered a lot in la hielera," says 11-year-old Sixta, who is brought to tears by the memory. "I still wake up crying thinking I'm there. And I never want to return there again as long as I live." Her last name has been omitted because she is here illegally.
Sixta crossed the Rio Grande with her older sister early last month after making the trip from San Pedro Sula, Honduras the world's most violent city. She's now living with her mother in a ramshackle house outside of Dallas. Their living room is still full of balloons from her welcome party. Sixta was asked what was worse: the treacherous journey through Mexico, or her 17 days inside two Border Patrol stations in South Texas.
"The experience inside the freezer," she says without hesitation.
Sixta says the room was kept so frigid she caught a cold, and it went untreated for so long that she started bleeding from her nose and throat. When she asked for a doctor, she says, agents slammed the steel door to the cell in anger. Most Border Patrol stations have paramedics who are supposed to provide medical care.
Sixta says agents told her and her sister, "You damned Hondurans are a pest in our country."
https://www.npr.org/2014/07/24/334041633/amid-wave-of-child-immigrants-reports-of-abuse-by-border-patrol
That was from 2014. At least now people seem to be paying attention to this finally.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Was just as evil. Satisfied ? And yet I bet there were differences. Catch and release. And no president speaking the way Donald does. So likely fewer ICE officers who would let a sick 5 year old go untreated.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)https://www.aclusandiego.org/cbp-child-abuse-foia/
treestar
(82,383 posts)Dotard. And his rhetoric can make it worse. There are always problems with systems. Dotards rhetoric emboldens the type of person who would take these jobs in the first place.
And if it did not gain media interest before, the Dotard has managed to cause greater interest on account of his making so much of this caravan. So he brought it on himself.
calimary
(80,696 posts)Hey, why stop there? One seven-year-old isnt enough. Two probably wont be all that satisfying either, eh?
I suppose thats one way to solve a problem with these trump appointees. They did say they wanted to deter asylum-seekers, didnt they. This is one approach, I guess.
This is a genuine abomination. Almost as shameful as the Final Solution once was. Future generations will read about this and be ashamed of what was perpetrated in our name, and how many not only condoned this but cheered, and proudly asserted that they voted for sins against humanity like this. And the American version of good Germans will be so noted.
How heroic of us, eh? Victimizing the smallest and weakest and most vulnerable among us? Making America Great Again.
How do we ever recover from this? Do we even have the collective will to do so anymore?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And is a much larger and systematic issue across multiple administrations.
calimary
(80,696 posts)It wasnt part of whats starting to look like a cascade failure in the here and now.
For those whod blame President Obama for stuff like this, there was too much else that was positive, beneficial, even uplifting that overshadowed it. True, President Obama wasnt perfect either. But we didnt have consistent and deliberate movement toward the profoundly reckless, negative, harmful, and destabilizing in previous administrations as we do here. We didnt have willful wholesale destruction of any institution they could get their hands on, as we have here and now.
Any theyre all the same or both sides! Both sides! argument stops holding any water at a certain point. With all due respect, seems to me were WAY beyond any such point by now.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am not sure why the abuse did not get the attention that was clearly warranted.
treestar
(82,383 posts)In the Oval Office talking about how horrible these immigrants supposedly were or campaigning on the alleged invasion of bad people this caravan was supposedly made of. Even Rmoney did not use that issue. Not McCain.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)President Obama would not have sanctioned this the way the Orange Horror and his Deplorable s do.
JPK
(648 posts)Just about all of them look like they shave their heads and have tribal tats up and down their arms and necks. Lots of ex cops and ex military types. It wasn't lost on me how much they seemed like neo Nazi types you see in civilian life just better looking dressed in a uniform.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And it would be Deplorables. It is a needed job but who has the heart for it?