That's it, I am endorsing Joe Biden for President
With all the shit that went down today, it’s clear that we need an adult in the White House who can spend one term restoring order to the federal government, oversee the prosecution of the Trump crime syndicate and reconnecting with our allies abroad. After that, we can look for “inspiration”.
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If Trump is somehow forced out (or has an aneurism), the whole thing comes down. Pence is in it up to his eyeballs, so I would not be surprised if an indictment for him is unsealed at an opportune moment. Then boom, there’s your first woman president, here to set things right.
It may sound like an unlikely scenario, but so was Trump getting the nomination. Robert Mueller is very, very good ... and Trump isn’t.
Pelosi would have her work cut out for her cleaning up Trump’s mess. She would also be an accidental president, not elected by the country; so I think she would not then stand for election, letting our current slate of candidates fight it out amongst themselves for 2020. That would free her to act more boldly, free from a lot of cynical partisan sniping, within what would be a less-than-two-year term.
That’s my imagination and I’m sticking with it.
As soon as we knew Rafael Eduardo was going to win that race, speculation started on what was next for Beto.
Meanwhile, we haven't stopped speculating on 2020 since 2016.
I would be all over a Biden/Beto ticket. Joe would mentor Beto and bring him in on everything. Should (God Forbid) anything happen to Joe, we'd have a competent, smart and charismatic VPOTUS who would be well trained. (then he could appoint Joe Kennedy III as his VPotus and we would be set for a long time.
However it is a long time til the primaries folks Anything can happen between then and now
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no time for a learning curve.
And, look how healthy Joe Biden looks here..
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PeggysueAnd happy. Making the decision to run is going to be huge. Means putting your private life on hold and putting your family under the microscope, again. But if he still has the fire in the belly (and Dr. Jill gets on board), I think he could clobber Trumpski and the Republicans after everything that's gone down. He can hit the ground running, stabilize the country while providing a Master Class in Governance to the Democratic Party's rising stars.
And you're right: this is not the time for learning curves. We need someone who can take the reins from the get-go because the job of reclaiming what we've lost is going to be really tough.
Btw,
back, girlfriend.
If Joe chose a brilliant VP candidate to get the young folks excited.. then I would be excited by both!
Nancy..
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It took President Obama Two Terms to pull us out of The Great Recession into a healthy economy.
The Trump Administration will do the triple amount of damage that The G.W. Bush Administration left Obama with.
excellent experience for Joe. He didn't just sit around.. neither did Jill Biden.
Wanna see a pic of Joe? How freaking healthy he looks?!
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Mahalo!
Polls say Joe Biden’s age isn’t necessarily hurting him with young Democrats
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/05/polls-say-joe-bidens-age-isnt-necessarily-hurting-him-with-young-denmocrats/
Hi, Cha! As always, it's a pleasure to see you! Happy Holidays to you and yours! 
He also has experience in crucial areas which will resonate. There's little chance we're going to pick someone without international experience, Trump's cemented that as a horrific idea.
His age will be an issue for him. He knows this, as do those around him. His previous mistakes and votes will be rehashed, but all but the bankruptcy bill won't resonate much with most modern voters. The bankruptcy bill will stick in the craws of a chunk, though. It's going to depend on how he addresses the issue.
He has the esteemed honor of having been VP to Obama. Who is loved by the vast majority of Democrats and many new young voters who never had a chance to vote for him. Which is a huge perk. He also has international experience which will help us abroad, along with his connection to Obama to make us look more sane to our allies.
We shall see how things flesh out. He's good, but he's not my pick at this point. But, I don't have a pick this far out. I plan on seeing who tosses their hat in and then researching each one for myself. Weeding out the obvious clunkers and letting the cream rise naturally for me. I will be picking much sooner this cycle, though. I want to get busy working for my choice, and I admit the reality of their chances is a major factor for me this cycle. We can't lose. So, no pie-in-the-sky risky candidates.
Just barely dipping in.. this is actually the first 2020 candidate thread I've posted on with enthusiasm. RSF's OP resonated with the whole foreign policy experience that will be so Essential.
Also, Joe Biden does have a "special type of charisma" and is a Uniter! Which is going to be so vital to build his coalitions if he so chooses to run.
Mele Kalikimaka to You, herding!
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is toasty!
as his right hand man sure says a lot...
violence. They have to be force fed these dramatized and biased talking points like was done to Hillary, such a familiar style.
The young folks like the Parkland gun violence victims are on to Bernie’s gun votes. 
who would be in the “compare/contrast” position of having to explain why he is not transparent himself while accusing others of various wrongdoing or, as you put it, “try and exploit” something about Biden. We’ve already seen what his exploitation got us. 
You can’t get much more hypocritical than that, so everything from there on will be exposed for the double standards they are.
Bernie’s own state has none of the items on his platform, so no results. Biden has his experience under Obama with actual results.
Your rationales look to be based on the same type of dramatized attacks used against Clinton, so they won’t stand. We have seen how these attack Dem operations work now, so I doubt they will fly again.
packaged spam used against Hillary, so your “try and exploit” scenarios really stuck out.
Biden has the foreign policy chops, too, which looks like why RandySF started this thread.
What I did was nothing more than a bog standard SWOT analysis.
I certainly did not lob some packaged spam, lol, that is patently ludicrous.
Quoting a person and examining their actual political actions and votes is hardly 'spam'.
I also do not think the overarching deciding factor will be foreign policy, unless the madman Trump spins us into some insane new war. It almost never is. Usually it defaults to economic issues, and now, with the white nationalist Trump involved (probably, but not guaranteed, as I do hold some hope Mueller can help bring him down), it will be a nasty racial/socio-cultural shitshow too.
Done with this circular argument.
May the best candidate win
very odd considering you just joined this year. You might want to consider a question in the ATA forum so you can sort this all out -- now you have concerns about 2008...lol. I'm not talking about petty grievances towards other posters. I'm talking about the familiar style of posting where you have a ready-made grab-bag portfolio of so-called opposition research/articles against Democratic candidates. It's a very familiar style and we saw it employed against Hillary and now Biden and Beto seems to be heating up. There is no way this is projection, as I usually type from a phone and even on the computer, I don't have the interest usually in compiling a library of at-the-ready lists of gotcha articles. It's just a very recognizable pattern, especially from 2016 is all I'm trying to say here.
BTW, you are commingling all kinds of non-related individuals here. AOC is a Justice Democrat. Gillibrand is a NY Senator who is Hillary Clinton's replacement and who gladly accepted the Clinton's help when she was campaigning for her seat. Just throwing all kinds of names out there and then claiming they are all related to some folks you don't like is just a diversion/distraction.
a Justice Democrat. What a waste of time to even type that.
Throwing out Gillibrand's name is odd considering she has nothing to do with Justice Democrats, as if conflating the two mitigates anything said about them. There are plenty of valid points out there regarding each person, so for you to make it personal about posters here maybe says more about you...?
I said that the spam style of compiled at-the-ready gotcha articles are very recognizable and now you are finally admitting that it is your preferred style. Thank you, it does look familiar.
Medicare for all is not even a person. I simply said that AOC threads, Gillibrand threads, and Medicare For All threads were subjected to certain types of attacks. They were examples of the type of threads that attract these behaviours.
YOU were the one who (no idea why) out of the blue brought up Justice Democrats. It was not mentioned by me at all and has nothing to do with anything about Biden and primaries. What do Justice -democrats have to do with any of this?? It is absolutely not germane to anything discussed.
You have just injected an entirely new tangent to this whole thing. This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. You are literally doing the exact behaviour that you are accusing others of. That is classic projection.
I get the feeling if I asked you what time it was or what the weather was looking like where you live you would somehow work Justice Democrats into the conversation.
as for your statement
I find that far from convincing. If EMILYS LIST endorses a candidate, does that make that candidate a member of EMILYS List? What about the NEA or some other education group, or a nurse's union endorsement? Does that make the endorsed candidate a nurse or a teacher?
I did Google extensively before I posted that question. I can find nothing other than she (along with a bunch of other people) was endorsed by Justice Democrats. She is an actual member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
here is their About page https://www.justicedemocrats.com/about
no mention of AOC as a member, lots of referrng to endorsed candidates as pledge certain things to JD
Justice Democrats is a PAC. it is not a so-called Leadership PAC, so I do not think it is legal for any member of Congress to actually be a member.
If you have evidence that those JD-endorsed winning candidates (Raúl Grijalva, AOC, Ro Khanna, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, and Pramila Jayapal) are actual members of JD, then by all means, show it.
Finally, seeing as you are having a go (completely artificially injected by you) at AOC over a JD endorsement, why don't you go after all the rest when they are brought up?
Raúl Grijalva
Ro Khanna
Rashida Tlaib
Ilhan Omar
Pramila Jayapal
Ayanna Pressley
Why are you singling out AOC?
I just did an OP about Ayanna Pressley getting her dream office given to her by another Democratic new House elect.
Right here https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211575510
Be consistent! Go in there and artificially inject a Justice Democrats debate into that thread.
You make many inferences and subtle shadings implying some nefarious motives to certain people simply critiquing actual quotes and votes, actions, and actual policy differences, yet you yourself then turn around and do the same thing, including guilt-by-association tactics (your bringing up Justice Democrats literally out of nowhere in this thread is a perfect example.)
Your 'grab-bags' and at-the-ready-spam memes and talking points are literally what you are using, but you think when it suits your agenda, it is pure as the driven snow and unassailable.
You literally have just done it with me, right now.
Pot meet kettle
Thus my subject line of 'you are projecting' in a prior reply
yep
Your methods of attacking Biden is what I was talking about and then you've tried to make it personal not just about me but about many others here, and your style is noticeable and familiar. Now you're on yet another tangent.
You were conflating all the terrible topics that you take so much issue with and it's all there in your posts. I mentioned you should address your concerns with an ATA inquiry. This seems to be a lot umbrage for your time here since July and I thought maybe they could answer some of your concerns about the posters here.
I have to say that it is not at all credible or believable that you don't know what Justice Democrats are about. You spend paragraphs denying or trying to conflate/confuse very simple, easily Google-able topics. edit: I obviously picked two names from your screed and showed how you were conflating and misrepresenting what people were saying about them. You should quit distorting issues and what people are saying.
young voters than the overly dramatized screeds such as the types we’ve seen here before and which look very familiar. Young voters were only 2,3 or 4 years old when the Iraq war started, so you would have to spoon feed them these dramatized points trying to blame Biden for Bush’s war. The same tactic was used against Hillary and I said it looks very familiar.
Then I said Biden’s actual experience working with Obama produced results instead of rhetoric that Bernie’s own state rejects.
Then you went off on tangents about individual posters that showed you never read for content but rather gathered poster names. That also looks familiar, and which I said your Buden formatting also looks very familiar. You were trying to conflate AOC and Gillibrand as if the threads about them show something about posters but they are very different politicians with very different backgrounds so quit conflating them.
This isn’t about your grievances over posters, so you should address your many concerns to the Admin.
to see the news about young voters.
Here he is on Ellen's show, and she is very appreciative of him. At about the 1:07 mark, she asks him to run for President, and then later quips she or Oprah will be his running mate, lol.
https://www.ellentube.com/video/vice-president-joe-biden-on-running-for-president-in-2020.html#time=0
Cha
RB 
restoring order to the government, overseeing the prosecution of the Trump crime syndicate, and reconnecting with allies.
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Yeah, I know he was Obama's VP, so he benefits from the reflected glory. But he's not the only one who could prove to our allies that we'd turned the page on the Trump era.
is if she is a VP first. That's what I believe and this is my ticket.
I got my Hillary dreams shattered so can I please have my ticket this time? I'm getting old and I sure would like to see, at a minimum, a female VP before I kick the bucket dammit!
