The Washington Post is reporting that Trump says the shut down will last a very long time unless

[still_one]

the Democrats approve his wall

The republicans own this, NOT the Democrats

"Breaking News: In morning tweets, President Trump sought to pin blame on a looming shutdown on Democrats even though he said last week he that he would proudly own one if Congress did not meet his demand for border-wall funding.
Trump’s threat came as the Senate prepared to take up a spending bill on Friday.
President Trump on Friday urged Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to fight “as hard as he fought for anything” to pass a stopgap spending measure that cleared the House on Thursday with money that Trump is seeking for his promised border wall.
Trump’s exhortation, contained in morning tweets, came about 19 hours before a deadline for the president and Congress to come to terms on a spending bill to avert a partial government shutdown. Trump also sought to pin blame on Democrats for a potential shutdown that just last week he said he would proudly own if his demands for border security were not met."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-leans-on-mcconnell-to-pass-spending-bill-with-border-funding-in-senate/2018/12/21/31bb453a-0517-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html?utm_term=.b5c683df09e3

[WeekiWater]

1. Every the shutdown is mentioned the Republican wall will be mentioned.

Hold strong Dems. Isn’t it factual that the shutdown would last no more than two weeks? Let the Republicans shut it down for two weeks and then the Democrats can call an emergency session and end it. This will not look good for Republicans.

I’m not one hundred percent sure about the timeframe for us taking over the house.

[Cha]

4. The Majority House Dems when that happens..

can end the shut down?

[still_one]

5. You are right Cha, we still don't control the Senate

[WeekiWater]

7. Force Trump to veto. It's on him. NT

[Cha]

9. Right!

[WeekiWater]

13. And if the Senate won't do it...

Then the only group that will be seen working to end it will be the only one controlled by Democrats.

[DownriverDem]

27. Senate doesn't

have the 60 votes needed to pass it.

[WeekiWater]

28. Then let the Republican controlled Senate not pass it.

Force Republicans to keep asking for more taxpayer money or they won't do it.

I fully believe the Senate will have the votes at that point. The situation will be much different.

[marble falls]

29. Jan 3.

[WeekiWater]

33. Thank you for that.

I truly appreciate it.

[oberliner]

2. It's what he said in a tweet

I wouldn't exactly call that "reporting".

[still_one]

6. Obe, the President of the U.S. tweeted what he will do. This is directly from the horses mouth

why isn't that reporting?

The WP is reporting what trump tweeted. That is the same as him saing it

[oberliner]

11. Was just saying that Washington Post didn't have to do much reporting

Just check his twitter feed.

I guess I am old fashioned about what I consider to be reporting versus just tweet transcribing.

But anyway - Trump is awful.

[still_one]

12. Appreciate the clarificataion

[marble falls]

31. Why? It was difference without distinction and means nothing. NO newspaper is ...

full of exclusive breaking news.

[still_one]

34. Why? Because I didn't understand where the poster was coming from and he made it clear

I didn't concur that it wasn't a valid report that I posted from the WP in the OP.

There are people who don't use social media, and the only way to know what the crazy man is saying is through news outlets

[Hermit-The-Prog]

35. I don't use social media and I thank you!

[marble falls]

46. I agree with you. I'm putting olberliner's comment into perspective. DU is as close to ...

social media as I get, and I don't open up tweet icons here.

[still_one]

48. I never thought of DU as social media, but I guess in a way it is

[Hermit-The-Prog]

39. read the article

There is considerably more in the article than "just tweet transcribing".

[LanternWaste]

45. I can understand why you fixate one one detail and ignore the reporting.

Regardless of how you're fashioned...

[DetlefK]

3. It is the prerogative of the government to propose political solutions.

That's the job of a government: There is a problem and they solve it.

The legislative makes sure that the people support the idea.

The judicative makes sure that it is legal.

The executive makes the idea real.



It is not the job of the opposition to provide the government with ideas and solutions.

[SergeStorms]

43. What happens when...

the executive's reality, differing so much from the rest of the world's reality, is totally fucked up? I guess we'll see, huh?

[Iliyah]

8. Another talking point . . .

from GOPers - the shutdown is not bad at all, and federal workers will not be harmed by it. Move along, everything is ok. Love the Republican party.

[sinkingfeeling]

10. Governing by extortion? I'll get my way or the whole country will pay.

[pazzyanne]

25. Agree with the term extortion.

I have just enough oppositional defiance in me that there is no way I will buckle under for this ploy. Extortion is the only tool in tRump's bargaining tool box. At least I have never seen him use anything else when he is "negotiating". Well, that and setting up a crisis that he can "solve".

[ooky]

14. Sounds like our leverage is increasing. Perhaps its time to revisit

permanent status and path to citizenship for DACA recipients. If he wants 5 biillion so bad, he needs to give something up too. Holding Americans hostage isn't negotiating. Offer him the 5 billion for our DACA solution. It would be a bargain for us at 20 billion less than what Schumer offered him last year.

The pressure of the shutdown is going to be on him and the feckless Republicans that continue to allow him to wage war against his own country.

[tblue37]

15. They did that before, and he was agreeing when John Kelly butted in and killed the deal. nt

[ooky]

16. Well, Kelly's going to be gone now, so...

[tblue37]

17. Steve Miller is still there and has even more influence. nt

[still_one]

22. No. About the only thing that would be worth it is universal healthcare in exchange for the wall,

but the reality is trump is a pathological liar, and both him and the republicans cannot be trusted to honor any agreement, especially before the new Congress takes over.


No more giving the republicans something first, and then expecting them to honor their word.


Wait until the new congress takes over, and tell him if he wants his wall, then do universal healthcare first

[Fullduplexxx]

42. Forget dealing with trump he screws people ... he said mecixo will pay for it hold him To that

[ooky]

47. I don't disagree at all.

"Make Mexico pay for it" has pretty much been my standard talking point on this stupid wall. I have no delusion he would cave on DACA for 5 billion. But he is going to have to make a deal that democrats will accept, at some point, because he can't hold America hostage indefintely. And we have the leverage on our side in this case, so it wouldn't bother me to make such a proposal and see where it goes. I know its a stretch, but I would buy DACA permanent status for 5 billion in a country nanosecond if we got the chance. He's a horrible negotiator and is ripe to be taken advantage of.

[peggysue2]

18. Thought Trumpski was going to . . .

proudly carry the mantle of the shutdown? That he would not (pledging to Schumer before the press) that he would absolutely not blame the Democratic Party. He would gladly take the heat.

Another lie? Another flip-flop?

How shocking. And the heat is just beginning.

[kentuck]

19. He wants everyone to play in the mud with him...

When can they rid our country of this idiot?

[still_one]

21. An excellent question

[elocs]

20. Any Democrat who appears in the media or writes about this needs to refer to this shutdown

as the Trump Shutdown. Trump wanted it, he owns it, so let his name be firmly and forever attached to it.

[RT Atlanta]

38. agree with you 100%!!

hang this around their necks and make all republicans own it!

[bigbrother05]

23. The Dems should make it clear, we don't negotiate with blackmailers

or extortionists
or terrorists
or traitors
or Russian stooges

[watoos]

24. I'm 71 but my memory is still ok,

I remember Trump's campaign promise; he is going to build a state of the art concrete wall along our southern border, and Mexico is going to pay for it. The Bill that the House just passed violates Trump's campaign promise.
Trump never said that American taxpayers would have to pay for the wall.

[KewlKat]

26. I know this is little solace, but I was told yesterday that it will be 25%

Of government workforce. Many of us have been funded for this fiscal year. Occasionally I’ve heard some news media report this as a “partial” shutdown but others seem to think it will be everyone. I hope the con is wrong about the length but if not I and others should be as supportive as we can for those that are being held hostage by this shut down caused by the unstable, crazy orange con man in our WH.

[still_one]

30. Good point Kewl

[DemoTex]

32. The mad king crossed the Rubicon this week.

Remember, Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon river (49 BCE), and that precipitated the Roman Civil War. That event led to Caesar becoming dictator for life and the rise of the imperial era of Rome.

Be afraid. Be very afraid. But you know that, and are.

[RT Atlanta]

36. Remember: it's on him [t-rump]

Per his Oval Office meeting with Speaker Designate Pelosi and Sen. Schumer.

Wrap that shut-down around t-rump's neck and the rest of the republicans like Kryptonite around Superman's neck. Those fuckers are masturbating at this very moment at the thoughts of a shutdown - assholes, all of 'em.

[D_Master81]

37. A week ago

He was bragging that he'd be happy to shut things down and take credit for it. Now it's b/c of the Dems. Sounds about par for the course for Trump.

[Delmette2.0]

41. That video needs to be played every time,

there is a mention of the Dems being responsible for the shut down. Then there needs to be a reminder that the Repubs set the 60 vote rule.

[Turbineguy]

40. Let's hope John Roberts doesn't leave town this weekend

He may have to swear in a new president.

[watoos]

44. Will Mueller's team get laid off?

I'll kick in to pay them to keep working.

[CaptYossarian]

49. The funny thing is that his "steel slats" idea came from

Melania's chastity belt, which she started wearing since she found out about his unprotected sex with a porn star.