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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:03 AM Dec 2018

Trump is Trying to Convince Mitch To Nuke The Senate

And over something as dumb as the wall...

Trump is trying to bully Mitch into removing the 60-vote cloture rule in general so a simple majority in the Senate can pass any bill they want.

Mitch must be extremely frustrated. Womp Womp.

I hope Trump forces this. We're less than 2 years from Democratic Control of the Senate, House and Executive. This would give quite a bit of power to THE Party that represents the people and has been starved of control.

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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
1. Yup. When Democrats control the House in 13 days it won't matter anymore
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:09 AM
Dec 2018

Republicans in the Senate can pass all that they want to with a simple majority then but it would never get past the Democratic House. And in two years they most likely would deeply regret the rules change. All over 5 Billion toward a wall no one but the hard core right really wants. Trump sure knows how to negotiate, doesn't he?

global1

(25,240 posts)
2. A Move Like This Can Do A Lot Of Damage In The Next Two Years.....
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:11 AM
Dec 2018

If the Senate goes nuclear today - it's all over people.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
3. Cuts both ways
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:13 AM
Dec 2018

If Turtle caves, he will live to rue the day.

On the other hand, I fully expect him to prepare that shit sandwich and wolf it down with a jowly grimace.

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
4. I don't think he will do it.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:16 AM
Dec 2018

If he overrides the 60 votes, that will give the Dems more leverage to do it if they take control in 2020. He's not going to do it for something as senseless and unpopular the wall.

Raven123

(4,813 posts)
5. McConnell won't take marching orders from Trump
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:16 AM
Dec 2018

Trump has been McConnell's tool and I think he is about to learn that fact

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
7. I doubt McConnell caves.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:19 AM
Dec 2018

He nuked the filibuster to confirm Gorsuch and Kavanaugh because appointing conservatives to the Supreme Court was always one of his top (if not THE top) priorities. I doubt McConnell feels that strongly about this stupid wall, and certainly not enough to cross a line that can then be used against him starting as early as 2021.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
9. Especially since it's meaningless in 13 days.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:26 AM
Dec 2018

Breaking the Supreme Court cloture rule works for him, because only the Senate confirms justices. But legislation requires the House, and Democrats are about to control that, so having a simple majority in the Senate won't allow him to pass legislation easier.

spanone

(135,816 posts)
10. Lamar Alexander just tweeted he won't vote to change the rules
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:40 AM
Dec 2018


We have rules to follow. I want to put a stop to this practice of the Senate breaking its rules to change its rules. I will not vote to turn the Senate into a rule-breaking institution and I hope that my colleagues will not.

ffr

(22,668 posts)
14. I'm really surprised complicit McConnell didn't violate senate norms yet again.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:36 PM
Dec 2018

What's once more?

Gothmog

(145,086 posts)
15. If the GOP nuke the Filibuster then the Dems could adopt single payer in 2021
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 02:35 PM
Dec 2018

The Democrats could adopt single payer if they take control of the White House and the Senate and keep control of the House in 2021. Otherwise, it will take 60 votes to in the Senate

ffr

(22,668 posts)
13. tRump is keeping congress in session? Oh, that's gonna make a lot of conservatives pissed.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:35 PM
Dec 2018

This is a holy Christian holiday and they're suppose to be on vacation again, not making tough decisions.

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