Won't this be paid vacation?

[Goodheart]

Don't these Federal workers historically get paid later for any work missed?

I'm sure most Federal employees are proud enough to not want it this way, but, hey, at least there's a silver lining.

It's we laypersons who should be pissed!

[we can do it]

1. BS

[mucifer]

2. my friend has a government job. She is considered "essential" so she has to work. Others

she works with are considered "non essential" they get a paid vacation.

She gets very very angry about this shut down.

[Goodheart]

5. So, it's the "non-essentials" who will get paid vacation.

But the essentials will have had to work for their delayed pay.

Something wrong with that picture!

[mucifer]

6. yup and you can be sure she tells me about it. It sucks

[regnaD kciN]

16. Yes and no...

Historically, furloughed “non-essential” workers do get paid in the agreement that ends a government shutdown, but there’s nothing that says they have to be — only the “essential” workers who have to keep at their jobs during the shutdown are guaranteed back wages when the shutdown ends.

[mucifer]

19. They don't get a paid vacation. They watch their coworkers get a paid vacation.

[atreides1]

54. Federal workers get furloughed

This isn't a paid vacation...if the Congress decides not to authorize back pay, then those furloughed won't get paid!!!

How do I know this, because I work with federal employees...perhaps if your friend feels so strongly that her co-workers are having fun, worrying about how they're going to pay their bills, maybe she should apply for a position so she can get furloughed, too!!!

[Wellstone ruled]

3. Yes they do,but,

can you go three or four weeks with out pay. Most of these jobs pay crap,especially TSA,and these folks live check to check.

And the last shut down,some did not get their full pay.

[EffieBlack]

4. They usually eventually get paid

But it's not a "vacation." They have to standby and be ready to return to work at any time. They're not dashing off to Cancun for a last-minute junket.

And, in the meantime, they have no paycheck - at Christmas, no less.

Kind of sucks ...

[Goodheart]

7. Yeah, not exactly a real vacation.

[former9thward]

14. Federal workers do not get paid daily.

They are not missing any check at Christmas.. They are paid bi-weekly. Their pay period ends Saturday today and they will be paid next Friday. The shutdown would affect paychecks that are to be paid three weeks from now.

[Revanchist]

27. Tell that to the military who get paid on the 1st and the 15th

Or us retirees who get paid on the 1st. I'm not expecting to see my next check, but luckily I have another job.

[former9thward]

30. I would love to.

The DOD was completed funded in September and is not part of the shut down. 75% of the government has been funded. This would be a partial shutdown of a quarter of the government.

[Revanchist]

37. You have a link?

Because I'm seeing this

Around 350,000 employees would be furloughed and another 420,000 forced to work without pay, according to a December report from the Senate Appropriations committee, as nine of 15 government agencies shut down. That means:

Air traffic controllers and many Transportation Security Agency employees continue working, but don’t get paid.
FBI, DEA agents, and correction officers continue working, but don’t get paid.
Active-duty military are required to keep working, but they don’t get paid. Death benefits aren’t paid to military survivors.
Mail is delivered, as are Social Security checks and Medicaid payments.
NASA is closed, and the Department of Commerce.
Some national parks may be opened.
Payments to public housing that support three million households are suspended.
Congress still gets paid

https://m.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2018/12/what-would-government-shutdown-mean-military-mail-delivery-and-national-security/153609/

It looks like I'll get my retirement check but active duty are sol

[former9thward]

40. From the DOD itself.

https://dod.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1648774/dod-begins-fiscal-year-with-funding-for-first-time-in-10-years/

If you really believe military personnel are not going to get their pay I don't know what else I can say. Military personnel, just like all federal personnel, have always gotten their full pay in shutdowns. And that is when the shutdowns were 100%. This one is 25%. There have been shutdowns under every President since Carter so it is not the first rodeo for the federal government.

[Revanchist]

44. That's for the clarification I couldn't find that on my tablet

[BumRushDaShow]

34. Federal retirement checks (CSRS/FERS) are not funded by budget authority money

thank goodness... WE paid into that!!!!!!

So neither those checks nor Social Security checks will be impacted.

[TomSlick]

52. A shutdown should not effect military retired pay.

It comes from a separate fund.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

39. Our pay

Our paychecks are issued by the Department of Agriculture. Guess what one of the departments will be closed the Friday after Christmas if the shutdown lasts that long! Department of Agriculture!

[former9thward]

42. Almost all federal workers get electronic payments.

Those are handled by the respective banks. I don't have any sympathy for those who cost our government money by insisting on paper checks. This is 2018, not 1918.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

45. You seriously think I don't know this?

15 year federal employee here, hellloooooo. But keep talking.

[EffieBlack]

48. The banks issue the checks after payroll is processed by government employees

Who will be on furlough.

You think all those government employees who are upset about not getting paid are stupid or they're misleading the public to get unwarranted sympathy?

[EffieBlack]

47. If the government shuts down, their paychecks won't be processed

You must not be in danger of having your life negatively impacted by a government shutdown or else you wouldn't be so dismissive of those who will be.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

8. Excuse you

No one, essential or not, gets paid for the time the government is shut down. And it may be a pay cycle or two after the government reopens that paychecks would be issued again. Assuming that congress approves a bill granting back. Considering how miserly they are about helping anyone who isn’t .01% rich, there is a probability they could stiff us.

I have colleagues who will be effected by this for months.

You sound like the kind of person who complains about schoolteachers getting three month vacations, when the truth is anything but.

[tblue37]

21. My son and daughter-in-law will be, too. nt

[former9thward]

32. False.

In previous shutdowns federal workers were paid fully for their time off.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

33. False

I have people in my department, that I know personally, who didn’t get 100% of what they were owed.

[former9thward]

38. I don't care what they told you.

Federal workers have always been paid for their time off and work fully.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

43. And I don't care about you either

I trust the people I’ve known and worked with for 15+ years over some rando.

Congress has had to be badgered and shamed into paying federal workers the last several times there’s been a shut down. Now, there is the possibility that while the House may pass the measure granting us back pay, the Senate could vote it down to spite the D held house. And we federal workers become a political football.

But hey, some folks don’t care if people get hurt as long as they think they’re right.

[BumRushDaShow]

46. The Senate thankfully passed a back pay/leave restoration bill about 40 minutes ago

by unanimous consent... where it next goes to the House for a vote (but the House has already left and won't be back until noon tomorrow I heard). And then you know who has to sign it too.

[former9thward]

56. Oh really?

The Senate is the one who passed the bill for payment. Yet another thing you are wrong on. So who is the "rando"?

Senate passes bill to guarantee federal pay in the event of a shutdown

A bill that would ensure federal employees receive pay for the duration of a shutdown and after appropriations are legislated was passed unanimously in the Senate, as Congress scrambles to come up with an appropriations bill agreeable to all parties before the midnight deadline.

https://www.federaltimes.com/management/pay-benefits/2018/12/21/senate-passes-bill-to-guarantee-federal-pay-in-the-event-of-a-shutdown/

[shanny]

57. Annnnnd now the Senate can make laws all by their lonesome?

who knew?

[former9thward]

58. I guess you don't bother reading threads.

The poster I was replying to said it was the Senate that would stop back pay. Since you are backing up that poster do you still think that?

[hlthe2b]

9. A fair number are "essential" and will have to work without pay... While they MAY be paid later

there is no promise that they will or when. Do you realize that many Federal employees are paid very little yet live in expensive cities where their jobs require them to be. How many may well have no to little saving "buffer" especially this time of year?

Geez... and yes, it will filter down to all of us, both in inconvenience (need a passport, on holiday vacation and want to visit a Federal facility, national park, museum?). Most importantly is how much it costs.

Government shutdowns cost us billions $$
https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/government-shutdown-cost-economy-billions-trump-border-wall

[wasupaloopa]

11. They will get paid but after the shut down ends.

They have to go as long as the shut down without getting a check.

[hlthe2b]

13. Exactly.. and if they furlough people, there are absolutely no promises for them.

[wasupaloopa]

20. I worked for county government. We did not get paid

when furloughed.

[mcar]

10. Oh sure, it's really a good thing!

[BumRushDaShow]

12. In the past, furloughed employees got back pay

however after the last couple furloughs (or threats of them), the RW loons have been foaming at the mouth to NOT provide back pay and have been shamed into doing it anyway. And each time it has required more and more "shaming". At some point (given the current environment), there may come a time when no back pay happens.

The issue of furloughing and then coming back up and running again has an extra cost associated with it too that rarely gets talked about before such happens and is finally underscored after the fact. So what is billed as punitive brinkmanship ends up becoming a punitive loss of money for the federal government.

Another thing that rarely gets mentioned by the lazy media until called on it, is that probably 1/2 of the "employees" in the government are actually contractors and THEY will NOT get any "back pay" unless their prime contractor is willing to pay them out of pocket or they are funded by something other than "BA" (budget authority) money - otherwise the federal government will deduct the cost of their time not on the job from their monthly invoice.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

35. Contractors

This is one of the things that worry me. That the refugees being detained by the government will suffer even more when the contractors housing and feeding them don’t get paid.

[BumRushDaShow]

41. Yup. And the Department that they are under is DHS

(Homeland Security) which is not funded and operating under a CR along with 8 other Departments and 3 standalones...

You have contractors operating the federal prisons (along with the other staff in there). There are contract staff in every GSA-managed government building in the country providing security, custodial equipment maintenance, and cleaning services. There are contractors monitoring the folks up in orbit on the ISS. They are usually managing the federal websites and maintaining the federal databases.

They are all over the place and few know they are there because the media likes showing NPS Park Rangers hanging "closed" signs during shutdowns while shoving mics in tourists' faces to get some sortof of stupid reaction.

[Lefta Dissenter]

15. You're kidding, right?

No, it’s not a “vacation” and they’re actually not guaranteed to be paid retroactively. They can’t go anywhere, and for those who are serving overseas (at least for my family members), they won’t get their mail (eg, CHRISTMAS PRESENTS) during that time, either.

[matt819]

17. In the meantime

They have no fucking paycheck. Not a joke!

[tblue37]

18. Many people live paycheck to paycheck and can't pay bills, including rent or

mortgages, if they miss paychecks.

[Goodheart]

22. I understand, and I didn't mean to be callous or insulting about it.

I apologize to anybody offended. I was merely looking for some silver lining.

[tblue37]

24. My son and daughter-in-law will both be affected. I am pretty upset about this--

especially at Christmas.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. There's no silver lining

although literally right now, there are Senators discussing what they hope will be a unanimous consent request to ensure that federal employees will receive any back pay due and leave will be restored if there is a shut down -

https://www.c-span.org/congress/?chamber=senate

[Goodheart]

26. After listening to a couple of Senators I'm confident they'll be paid.

Though, yes, I'm sure the uncertainty will suck.

[BumRushDaShow]

28. The Senate just passed the reimbursement/leave restoration bill by unanimous consent

Now the House must take this up and vote on/pass it (and it needs to be signed by you know who) to at least have that uncertainty dealt with, assuming a shutdown does occur.

[FSogol]

23. Sure, the uncertainty of your employment days before Christmas is a great vacation!

Your comment is pretty disgusting and the "laypersons who should be pissed" is Conservative Values 101.

x ∞

[Croney]

29. I was a federal employee during a shutdown in the 90's.

Non-essential, sent home without knowing WTF was going to happen, hoping my husband's income would at least cover the mortgage and buy food. I did get back pay when it was over, but the worry and disruption were pretty scary.

[elleng]

31. Yes

but the uncertainty takes a toll.

[NutmegYankee]

36. No. This can be traumatic and very stressful.

I would never call it a vacation.

[MichMan]

49. I assume they can file for unemployment benefits

Same as everyone else in the workforce facing a short term layoff. Happens to people in the private sector all the time

[BumRushDaShow]

53. Yes but depending on the state

it may take some time to kick in and often by the time it does, the furlough is over. And if the furlough was long enough to actually collect a UE check but then ended, then that check has to be refunded because Congress has (so far) always passed some bill to give back pay. So it becomes sortof a PITA because of that uncertainty.

[wishstar]

50. But meanwhile their caseloads and pending claims don't get processed, they can't serve public

Many so-called non-essential workers answer phones and handle large volumes of claims and applications that will not get processed and remain backed up. Employees who work overtime such as on Saturdays to handle backlogs do not get overtime. Then when they go back to work, they are under pressure to process the backlogs and increased volume of public contacts. Makes their jobs harder and impairs their ability to serve the public.

[nini]

51. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one

Since I'm sure you don't this is fun for the workers.

It does shine light on just how damned stupid this whole thing is. I remember govt jobs being the most secure way to go when I was younger. Now it's the craziest. The damned GOP is destroying everything they touch.

[WeekiWater]

55. Many live paycheck to paycheck.

Many do not have a lot of specialized training(layperson).