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Just caught the tail end of a Nickelodeon sitcom. I think it's called "Yes, Dear." Just as I tuned in, a young dad was with his little boy at an outdoor school lunch area. The dad counseled his son not to sit with the girl eating lunch by herself. The dad told him the she was "smart, pretty, and self-confident" and that he should leave her alone. The dad then put his hands on his son's shoulders, turned him to face a table where six girls were eating lunch and advised him to flirt with them by encouraging him to go for "six chicken nuggets" instead of just one.
The only redeeming thing about it was that the little boy ignored his dad's advice and sat with the little girl who was eating alone. But this kind of stuff, even though it's supposedly comedy, bugs me. It sends the wrong message and reinforces the objectification of people, in general, and girls, in particular.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)they are sit coms. Did you ever notice no one on Cheers got a DUI?
Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)Would you make the same argument if the connotation had been racist or implicative of a sexual orientation bias? In any case, such shows are no less a part of the cultural fabric simply because they're comedies.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)and it was the most popular show on TV. I think Mr. Romano is pretty smart in real life. I don't think Gilligan and Mary Ann were REALLY stranded on an island, I don't think Arnold the Pig really communicated with Ms. Gabor, and I don't think men really tell their six year old boys to avoid "strong, intelligent, independent women".
I am sorry that make believe and reality are blurred in your mind.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)I can't believe you are actually this naive.
The only other possibility is..
Concern Troll
Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)I said I was offended, not surprised. And, yes, sexism and racism do concern me. That doesn't make me a troll but your implication to such effect doesn't exactly speak well of you.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)that implies there might be an iota of misogyny in our popular culture.
You'll learn to identify him and some of the other regulars on that score.
ithinkmyliverhurts
(1,928 posts)"The only redeeming thing about it was that the little boy ignored his dad's advice and sat with the little girl who was eating alone. But this kind of stuff, even though it's supposedly comedy, bugs me. It sends the wrong message and reinforces the objectification of people, in general, and girls, in particular."
***This seems to be the moral of the story here. He ignored his doucheweasel of a father and sat next to the girl. It seems to send the very message you desire it to send. In fact, this story seems to perpetrate the one narrative allowed in all sitcoms: the father figure as know-nothing, juvenile turd who really ought to be ignored by his children. Poor fathers.
Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)ithinkmyliverhurts
(1,928 posts)impotent-but-lovable fathers. God bless their ineptitude. Come on, kids, let's dupe them again, only to have mom figure out your stupid, inane plan.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)But it appeared in this example that the father was devaluing the girls and so the young man made the right choice, a good example.
I don't like the way the media portrays people many times. Women shown as greedy airheads, men shown as airheads or beer swilling, coarse and uneducated. Those are not examples for people to aspire to, those are consumers who don't get much done in life.
Then become couch potatoes and get old and bitter, like Tea Partiers. And the other roles they show, the smart people are sometimes cruel and over competitive, like Paul Ryans. There are a lot of pyschological messages pushed in programs.
I think we need to remember they are called programs for the same reason that word is used in computers. It's an operation that we are being taught to follow to live our lives. We are not just things to be programmed. We are sentient beings who are bombared with anti-social, unhealthy stuff from Fox, etc.
That's why I got rid of the tv, although I've never been a big lover of it most of my life. It's not like it's essential. Most people I know don't watch television for years on end. And they manage to do just fine withjout it.
But we know many people do, and as social creatures we try to keep up with what fascinates our fellows, naturally. I know 'relgious' types who have turned off the tv because of what they see as negative stereotypes.
But then they fall into, in the case of men who object to being portrayed as stupid, into these cult like groups that are too conservative. I love good liberal people and the way they behave, they don't have to spout a line of religion, or if they're men, acting like they are John Wayne.
They just live and let live in their associations with others and don't judge people.
That's the kind of people I wish that tv would portray. Instead, from the 'news' to advertising and programs we are shown a lot of shallow, consumeristic, judgemental people. Not good fof society as a whole or children.
Shows in the Bush era promoted an acceptance of torture and brutality, and some plot lines were as if no one had really grown up if they were not prepared to kill their fellow human as the enemy or the competitor. That's when I decided that foul crap was not coming in my house.
I don't know if you and I are on the same page or if I answered you well, as I didn't quite understand all that you said. Anyway,
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)nick has a recurring theme in all its programing: your parents. and adults in general, are STUPID
really. watch it awhile.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)dogknob
(2,431 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 18, 2012, 11:55 PM - Edit history (1)
...and they bring their adult baggage along.
EDIT: Whoops! Missed that it was a sitcom.
flvegan
(64,406 posts)1. You embrace cruelty;
2. You are nutritionally clueless.
Then I'm further offended that some shitwit "father" told his son to leave a lone a "smart, pretty and self-confident" girl to herself.
Smart, pretty and self confident? Jackpot, baby.
longship
(40,416 posts)Sitcoms, which still have laugh tracks to tell every viewer what is, and supposedly what is not, funny. Watching a sitcom is like going to a movie comedy and having the giggling asshole in the next seat elbow you in the ribs every time a character says some sophomorically titillating line.
It is the lowest form of entertainment.
Sitcoms belong in the lounge.
What's next here? Truther Charlie Sheen in Three and a half men?
Sorry for the rant.
Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)This was not, by the way, a lighthearted post about a sitcom. It was an observation about sexism on television--a perfectly legitimate topic for GD.
niyad
(113,093 posts)a sitcom!!
anybody here remember dan quayle freaking out over murphy brown's pregnancy?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The target audience is Tweens. So perhaps we are missing the message as adults since kid went against dad's "wise words."
Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)In any case, I agree that going against the dad's advice sends a good message. But, as other posters pointed out, characterizing the father as a nitwit and a sexist is repugnant, as well.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Nick jr are the younger set.
We could go on with how media does these portrayals though. Stupid clueless dad (which I hate) is common in that market.
Sometimes it is clueless, stupid parents and older siblings. It is quite formulaic.
Catherine Vincent
(34,486 posts)But you have to understand the father's character. That's why he told his son that.
Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)GObamaGO
(665 posts)NashvilleLefty
(811 posts)He is portrayed as an anti-role model. In other words, "look at this everyone, this is NOT what you want to do!"
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)The dark Knight and there are these scenes where the Joker killed a bunch of strong, self confident people. this kinda stuff, even though it's and action movie, bugs me. I mean killing all those people sends the wrong message.
The only redeeming value was that Batman showed up and showed him the error of his ways.
WTF?