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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 07:13 PM Dec 2018

RIP- Trump killed the bull market started by Barack Obama in 2009




Many economists warned that President Trump’s focus on the stock market could have painful consequences. In recent days, it has become apparent why. Trump and his top deputies are focused on trying to stop the market slide, but they are helping drive the market down even further.

On Monday, the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index closed in bear market territory, meaning the longest bull market for stocks in modern U.S. history is basically at its end. (A bear market is a 20 percent decline from the all-time high, which occurred in September.)

Trump blames Federal Reserve Board Chair Jerome H. Powell, his own choice for the post, for the steep stock sell-off. Many on Wall Street say Trump deserves some blame, too.

The president has complained about Powell for months, but in recent days he’s been asking around about whether he can fire Powell, which would be an unprecedented act in the United States and one that would spook markets and banks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/12/24/trumps-white-house-tried-calm-markets-it-backfired/?utm_term=.d2c5e91e4cdb
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RIP- Trump killed the bull market started by Barack Obama in 2009 (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 OP
Toxic Trump.....need I say more? nt UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #1
So what really has caused this? Cha Dec 2018 #2
In order DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #3
+1, even if the point could be made the rise wasn't going to be forever.. uponit7771 Dec 2018 #13
It was due for a down turn of some type... Wounded Bear Dec 2018 #4
+1, We won't be back to par for years imho, red Don's trade war made t bills even more safer uponit7771 Dec 2018 #14
While true what happens when the market recovers? Joe941 Dec 2018 #5
It's not going to recover any time soon. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #6
I hope you are wrong. My retirement depends on it :( Joe941 Dec 2018 #7
It's not a yo yo. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #9
As usual, a Republican destroys a bull market. Oneironaut Dec 2018 #8
And Hoover and Nixon DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #10
Powell and the fed has so far done exactly as the market expected unblock Dec 2018 #11
If it was up to Trump ... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #12

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
3. In order
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 07:24 PM
Dec 2018

Fear of a slowing global economy which will negatively impact corporate profits
Rising interests rates
The possibility of a trade war with China which will negatively impact corporate profits
Government shutdown
Trump's erraticness

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
13. +1, even if the point could be made the rise wasn't going to be forever..
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 09:28 PM
Dec 2018

... red Don's trade war brought on a faster Fall doe to treasurys looking safer

Wounded Bear

(58,645 posts)
4. It was due for a down turn of some type...
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 07:53 PM
Dec 2018

They artificially extended it a bit with their tax cut, but they had to know that wouldn't last. All the tax bennies to the corps and the exec class turned into stock buybacks that kind of propped things up, but that's done now. Congress won't do that again, not in this session and will probably try to rescind them, though the Senate probably won't support it and Trump would definitely veto.

Now, basically nobody is buying stock any more. Share prices are falling and everybody is looking for a clean way out, not a rescue buy. This is finally the Trump Slump starting and I expect it will continue for many months.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. And Hoover and Nixon
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 08:05 PM
Dec 2018

From the start of 1973 through Nixon’s resignation in August 1974, the S&P 500 fell about 50%.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-stock-market-watergate-133736317.html

"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce."


unblock

(52,196 posts)
11. Powell and the fed has so far done exactly as the market expected
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 08:16 PM
Dec 2018

The market had long ago priced in another that hike before the end of year. It really was no surprise.

In fact, the market had previously priced in 2 or 3 more hikes in 2019; that's now back to pretty much 0-1.

The market thinks Powell and the fed have largely stopped hiking, which is a shift from previous predictions.

Pretty wacky for Donnie to think one widely expected hike would cause a bear market.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
12. If it was up to Trump ...
Mon Dec 24, 2018, 08:21 PM
Dec 2018

If it was up to Trump he would flood the economy with cheap money and a loaf of white bread would cost $5.00.

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