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Let me take this opportunity to wish you a very happy holiday season and a wonderful new year.
Whenever I am asked about running for president in 2020, I answer that if I am the best candidate to beat Donald Trump, then I will probably run. That is the truth.
If that happens, the political, financial and media elite of this country will stop at nothing to defeat us. You know that. Weve lived through it together once before. Our ideas terrify them. So what they will do is try to divide us up with attacks some old, some new and our political opponents will spend obscene sums of money on ads to defeat us.
I just did not expect the attack ads to begin before I even made a decision. But they have
Right now, a group of Wall Street Democrats known as the Third Way is running ads in early primary states Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada calling me out by name and saying our ideas, like Medicare for all, are a path to defeat in 2020.
They not only want to discourage or defeat a Sanders candidacy, they want to make sure that the progressive agenda is not advanced by anyone. They want us to go back to their failed corporate approach which has led to a massive level of income and wealth inequality, a bloated military budget and a failure to address the crises of climate change, a broken criminal justice system and inhumane immigration policies.
Last time we ran, we made the financial elite pay a price for their attacks on our progressive agenda. It is just as important we do it again today:
Make a $3 donation to our campaign to help us fight back and send a message that we will NOT let the political and financial elite of this country buy this election and scare candidates from supporting a progressive agenda.
Our agenda terrifies the political and financial establishment of this country.
But the truth is, their agenda should terrify all of us.
Our ideas will lift people out of poverty, they will guarantee health care as a right for every man, woman and child, and they will make certain that every person in this country with the ability and the desire can get the education they need, regardless of the income of their family.
Ours is not a radical agenda. It's the agenda the American people want.
Their agenda, paid for by wealthy campaign contributors, has led to record levels of inequality, a health care system that costs more per capita than any other developed nation while leaving millions uninsured and underinsured, and grotesque amounts of student debt that rob many of our young people of their futures.
Theirs is the agenda that made Donald Trump possible. Ours is the agenda that will defeat him.
And thats why its so important progressives stand up to their attacks today:
Make a $3 donation to our campaign as a way of saying we will NOT let the political and financial elite scare candidates from supporting a progressive agenda. Make them pay a price for their attacks.
In 2016 we faced the kitchen sink. If we run again, you should expect no less. But the political revolution is stronger and larger than ever, and they will be no match for us if were in this fight together.
In solidarity,
Bernie Sanders
"Third Way" is the name of the group running an anti-Bernie ad.
Update: I dont agree with this ad by Third Way, but since people were curious, here it is:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DveCtd-U8AAPLMm?format=jpg&name=900x900
Update 2: If that link doesnt work for you, I got the image of the ad above from this tweet:
Link to tweet
vlyons
(10,252 posts)They may call themselves Democrats, but to me, they are Ayn Rand-lite.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)tent that includes moderates.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)Those who, once upon a time, woukd have been called "Rockefeller Republicans" need to fix their own party, not drag ours even further to the right than it has drifted over the years.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)it's sure looking that way.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)We will not win without some moderates. I sincerely doubt a super progressive candidate could take the presidency...maybe s Sherrod Brown but no one else.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)We won't do that without a big tent. I would remind everyone that the reason we have the house is winning with mostly moderates in red and/or purple areas.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)and no question, local races require different strategies... unlike a national election.
Just hope the "big tent" is big enough for those who are not willing to accept the status quo and who promote progressive policies that seek economic equality, among other human rights and dignity for all. That is the key to winning on a national level.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)concentration camps dead. They would be alive had Stein not taken votes in key states or progressives stayed home or even in some cases voted for Trump as a better alternative. He was not clearly. It is stupid not to vote for the Democratic candidate whether they agree with all your ideology or not in any general. Trump certainly has set back the progressive movement a generation with his court picks. Thus those who found Clinton 'unacceptable' helped elect Trump. And we will pay for this for many years.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)if we don't get this next election right, we're fucked for decades.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)ass off for him...and then some. We have to beat Trump. Honestly, that is my only concern. And I want the Senate so we can get judges...never getting judges without the Senate now thanks to McConnell.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Can't stop thinkin' how different the world today, and our future, would've been if everyone had that same attitude about supporting Hillary in 2016... can only hope we learned something from that sobering experience.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)progressive agenda for a generation. I can't imagine anything more horrible.
Hekate
(90,616 posts)Kind if the way the GOP turned "liberal" into a dirty word so we had to start using "progressive."
Language is a funny thing, guys. You'd think people on our side wouldn't do that to Democrats in the Big Tent.
btw: except in certain circles (not gonna opine as to what those circles are) "liberal" is not and never was the same as "progressive"
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Main stated difference with Sanders is they want Obamacare for All rather than Medicare for All.
On other issues, they are more hawkish on foreign policy and friendlier toward Wall Street.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Example:
"Senator Sanderss Record on Guns"
Published March 7, 2016
https://www.thirdway.org/third-way-take/senator-sanderss-record-on-guns
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)another person's attack ad.
But I think you get the picture. They are moderate Dems and view Sanders as too far left, except on guns, and too divisive overall. A lot of Clintonites angry at Sanders. I think they are going to back Biden, Booker or Harris, depending on who polls best in a few months.
There will also be a lot of progressives competing for the same space as Sanders. All he really has in his favor right now is name recognition and a loyal base.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Because a website is not an ad.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I haven't seen the ads and I can't find them online. But I am sure that the battle lines are being drawn for a primary season that will be nastier than the average DUer likes.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Where is it from?
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)The links still don't work and it doesn't actually name or picture Bernie, but yes, there is a grain of truth in that mountain of exaggeration. The problem is that Sanders is still running against Hillary, and the Democratic party, at least for purposes of raising money.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And if there's a more objective way to communicate the failure of his hollow political promises to win the Nebraska race I don't know what it is.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)I like Medicare for all but believe it is not possible so we get a public option and improve the ACA which people like and it will be difficult to demonetize. I don't agree with his views on identity politics or his recent comments about how being hesitant to vote for a person of color does't make you racist are somewhat shocking...yes it does exactly that. I don't want the big banks broken up or Wall Street destroyed ...just want sensible regulation...so one can disagree without attacking. I find these 'I am a victim editorials to be divisive and just plain wrong.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Seems it's ok if he vilifying people... like Beto
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,061 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)lapucelle
(18,229 posts)Have they sent out solicitations for money crowing about making people "pay the price"?
betsuni
(25,442 posts)What's that?
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)as an attack either. I myself believe Medicare for all will not happen so we need a public option and to improve upon the ACA...I still see no attacks....just a different Democratic point of view that fits within the Democratic tend that Sen. Sanders and his supporters don't like so who is attacking who?
Me.
(35,454 posts)Medicare for all became sidelined by the potential of an ACA and single payer doesn't look like a viable option.
So single-payer advocates looked instead to make a breakthrough in the states. Bills have been introduced from Hawaii to New York; former Medicare chief Don Berwick made it a key plank of his unsuccessful primary race for Massachusetts governor.
Vermont under Shumlin became the most visible trailblazer. Until Wednesday, when the governor admitted what critics had said all along: He couldnt pay for it.
( Also on POLITICO: Vermont bails on single-payer health care)
It is not the right time for Vermont to pass a single-payer system, Shumlin acknowledged in a public statement ending his signature initiative. He concluded the 11.5 percent payroll assessments on businesses and sliding premiums up to 9.5 percent of individuals income might hurt our economy.
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/single-payer-vermont-113711
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)didn't expand Medicare.
George II
(67,782 posts)yardwork
(61,585 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...or primaries in relatively small states more than a year ahead of time.
Until I see otherwise, I guess that claim is just not true.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)oust Republicans and Trump.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Third Way
1025 Connecticut Ave. NW, Suite 400
Washington, DC 20036
Closest Metro: Farragut North Metro
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)I can't find them...simple disagreement is not an attack. We will be the big tent party or we will lose.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Same as when Sanders criticizes, right? This big tent better band together, lest everything go to the top with crumbs left for the rest of us.
George II
(67,782 posts)As of now they're nowhere to be found. One wonders if they ever were run in the four states mentioned.
But in one sense you're right, criticism is not an attack. On the other hand, name calling (i.e., "Wall Street Democrats", "political, financial, and media elite", etc.) is and we should all avoid it. Those characterizations of good Democrats are indeed divisive.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)creating optional private retirement accounts (have at it, Wall Street!) -- are those "good" Democratic policies? I agree with Bernie in that they are not, and those pushing those harmful policies need to be called out.
It's gotten to the point that average Americans can no longer afford to live in many American cities. The "political, financial, and media elite" certainly can afford to, though. Bernie's right to call out the growing inequality as well.
I haven't looked for the ads. If they don't exist, then it was wrong to claim that they do. If they do exist, then no one should be surpised when Sanders claps back. See how easy that was?
Thanks!
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Backatcha!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)that I haven't searched for the ads. If they don't exist it was wrong to say that they do; if they do exist, don't be surprised when Sanders claps back.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)In the absence of such ads we appear to have an honesty malfunction.
Just a Weirdo
(488 posts)They need to go, like now. They do not advance anything but Republican-lite legislation that does not help the people.
I'm backing Bernie on this one. Biden is Third Way. Sorry, folks.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Any candidate who advocates for "working with the other side" and compromising our principles will not get very far, as we've already started to see. Fuck that!!
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders urged Democrats to reach out to President Donald Trumps supporters to promote a progressive agenda that includes guaranteed health care for all Americans as part of a strategy to rebuild the party.
Sanders told a boisterous crowd Tuesday night in Louisville that Trump has reneged on his promises to working-class voters. He said Democrats should reach out to disillusioned Trump supporters as the out-of-power party tries to recover from last years election losses.
http://fortune.com/2017/04/19/bernie-sanders-trump-supporters-healthcare/
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)I mean, it was right there in black and white...
Can you really not tell the difference between explaining to the other side how programs like Medicare For All or increased minimum wage will benefit them
Vs.
Lets reach across the aisle to reform entitlements by cutting social security and raising the Medicare eligibility age.
Seriously?
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)For example, I am pro-choice, yet Sen. Sanders supported several anti-choice candidates and our revolution went so far as to lecture others on how we needed to 'accept' that. I consider pro-choice a Democratic value. It is in our platform after all. Or how about the comments concerning those white voters who are 'concerned' about voting for a Black candidate not being racist. I say they are racist s fuck. I find the fund raising letter divisive. And we all don't have to adopt his 'values'. We will never win without moderates and this election is too important to pretend otherwise. This is why Sen. Sanders will never get my vote in any primary.
progressoid
(49,961 posts)Joe Donnelly, Daniel Lipinski, Colin Peterson, et. al.; are all pro-life Dems.
Then there is this little gem from Chuck Schumer...
http://commentsfromleftfield.com/media/schumer.mp3
"So I called up Governor...our number one target is Rick Santorum...let him go back to wherever he lives, Maryland, you know you heard about it, he is Pennsylvania but he tried to get exempt from the school tax there cause he lives in Maryland even though he is a registered citizen of Pennsylvania. In any case I called up the Governor of Pennsylvania, Governor Rendell, I said who is the best candidate to beat Santorum. He said there is only one person who could beat him but, A he won't run, and B you wouldn't want him to run. I said, why wouldn't we want him to run? He said he's pro-life. He's a deeply religious Catholic man: Bob Casey.
"I said, those days are over Ed. Yes I'm pro-choice, but we need the best candidate. We can't insist that every democrat check off 18 different issues before they get (unintelligible) we could do that, we can't anymore. And so, we persuaded, Harry using his very...Harry has amazing insights into people...and we together persuaded Bob Casey to run.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)elected. AS for Donnelly, he is the best we can do. I consider this an important issue. Sen. Sanders and our revolution have lectured us on abandoning identity politics including abortion rights. I am against this and despise our revolution. Also, I believe Sen. Sanders should reconsider. Civil rights are not negotiable.
progressoid
(49,961 posts)Yet Donnelly, "is the best we can do." So, it's non negotiable. Except when it is.
It's OK to have a pro-life Dem Senator from red state Indiana. But it's not OK for Bernie to endorse a pro-life Dem candidate for mayor in even redder Nebraska (where, it should be noted he would have had virtually no effect on pro-choice/pro-life policy. That's the NE unicameral and Governor's thing).
Nothing inconsistent about that.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)office. Donnelly did nothing like that...Heath Mello had a long trail of voting for and even sponsoring anti-choice legislation. Legisltation that passed in Nebraska and hurt women. And Sen. Sanders should never have endorsed him...never.
progressoid
(49,961 posts)Press Release
By: Joe Donnelly, Sr.
Date: Nov. 7, 2009
Location: Washington D.C.
Today Congressman Joe Donnelly announced his support for a pro-life amendment to the Affordable Health Care for America Act that would explicitly prohibit federal funds from being used to support abortions. The bipartisan proposal strengthening the bill's prohibitions on funding for abortion was negotiated by Representatives Bart Stupak of Michigan, Brad Ellsworth of Indiana, Joseph Pitts of Pennsylvania and other pro-life members, and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, and approved for floor consideration by the House Rules Committee.
"I am pro-life and have always opposed any federal funding for a procedure which deeply divides our nation. I have always said we need real health reform that secures accessible and affordable care for both those who have insurance and those who do not. Ultimately, I believe meaningful reform is about honoring the sanctity of human life--ensuring decency in care for both the living and the unborn. With that in mind, I have worked with my pro-life colleagues for weeks to get a stronger anti-abortion amendment added to the bill. On September 28, I joined pro-life colleagues from both sides of the aisle in sending a letter to the Speaker of the House asking for a vote on the Stupak amendment, and today we will have that vote. I urge my colleagues in the House to support the Stupak-Ellsworth-Pitts-Smith-Kaptur-Dahlkemper Amendment."
The amendment to the underlying bill, H.R. 3962, would apply traditional prohibitions on federal funding for abortions, commonly known as the "Hyde Amendment," to new initiatives created by the Affordable Health Care for America Act. Named after late pro-life Illinois Congressman Henry Hyde, the amendment has been renewed every year since 1976 by Congress and prevents annually-appropriated federal funds from being used to support or provide abortions. Specifically, the new pro-life amendment would permanently apply the Hyde prohibitions to both the public option insurance plan that would be created by H.R. 3962 and also private insurers who participate in the new insurance exchange.
He voted YEA for this crap...
01/29/2018
Senate Roll Call No. 25
115th Congress, 2nd Session
The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act (S. 2311), sponsored by Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), is a bill to generally prohibit abortion after 20 weeks fetal age (22 weeks of pregnancy), with certain exceptions. This bill was developed from model legislation developed by National Right to Life in 2010 and enacted by a number of states. On January 29, 2018, the U.S. Senate conducted a roll call vote on whether to advance this legislation (the companion bill, H.R. 36, had already passed the House of Representatives). Fifty-one (51) senators voted to take up the bill (pro-life), but 60 votes were required, so the bill did not advance. The bill was supported by 48 Republicans and three Democrats. Forty-six (46) senators voted against advancing the bill (two Republicans and 44 Democrats). One Republican and two Democrats were absent.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=2&vote=00025
And there are more...https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/34212/joe-donnelly-sr/2/abortion#.XClVZ81MFaS
https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/congressional-scorecard#IN/443/
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)The link you posted is from April 2017. Democrats took back the House in November 2018 because many voters accepted that Dirty Don *did* renege on his promises to working-class voters. Insanely priced health care and bullshit tax "cuts" were top factors. As we saw during the midterms, reaching out to disillusioned voters (Trump or otherwise) is a winning strategy. Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin came back into the fold. Why reject something that works?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)it's a basic human right and the majority of Americans (Democrats, Rethuglicans, and Independents) support it. I'm thankful Bernie has made it one of the centerpieces of his progressive agenda when others, including fellow Democrats, we're highly critical of him for it.
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)From the 1992 platform:
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/1992-democratic-party-platform
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)than a independent who regularly attacks the Democratic Party.
Just a Weirdo
(488 posts)Not shifting to the right.
Third Way is about the right wing Dems that loves Republican lite policies. Thirdway.org/about click on honorary members. And be shocked. All of them listed are right wing Dems. You can see Mccaskill is listed and ousted
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)We should be open to all ideas and not impose ideological litmus tests imposed by an independent.
Cha
(297,029 posts)"the party of the elite" like he did November 16, 2016 on cnn.. and he continues on and on.
BS isn't helping anything.. Sorry, dude. The Democratic Blue Wave is made up of all kinds of Dems across our Nation.. they're the reason we have a Democratic Majority now.. Not BS.
betsuni
(25,442 posts)DAMMIT.
Cha
(297,029 posts)Swept over our Nation and gave us a Democratic House Majority to Fight trump's Fascism.. NOT "BS' mass emails"!
BlueWave!
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)Majority who are fighting for our Future!
Not trying to Divide us.
Cha
(297,029 posts)Joe Biden is a strong Democratic Leader.
BS is a 3rd party Divider.
Sorry, folks. Not sorry.
apcalc
(4,463 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)It's a new generation's party... we should embrace it.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,971 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Response to leftofcool (Reply #5)
LongtimeAZDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
Just a Weirdo
(488 posts)He won the Democratic side for his U.S. Senate, so he is technically eligible for 2020 Democratic primaries.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)last I checked, that was a GOOD THING!!
Just a Weirdo
(488 posts)The Dems seem to forget that important sector.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie, who for all intents and purposes, IS a Democrat - given he caucuses with them and votes on their side more than the average Democrat - offers the best of both worlds.
Hekate
(90,616 posts)And as for BS -- thanks for the votes, but based on his speaking record he exists mostly to be a gadfly at Democrats. His proud refusal to be a Dem himself means he will never ever ever count toward our gaining any kind of majority in the Senate. Never.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)an Independent is a Republican that is sexually attracted to Democrats and knows they won't make any progress with "I almost voted for Obama."
"Don't worry. I'm an Independent."
brush
(53,758 posts)Harris, Beto, Brown, Castro, Klobucharthink I'll go with one of them.
Cha
(297,029 posts)the "party of the elite" like he did November 16, 2016 on CNN.. making it all about himself and how "humiliated" he was.. and he's still going at it.
BS is the Divider and is Not the best of anything.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)I've got a less than 2000 sq feet house in Northern Virginia. He doesn't speak for me when he does his identity politics crap. White working class men are "ordinary Americans, the rest of us not so much. I'm done with him. I'm done with berners being ugly for for having a different opinion. I very liberal, but I'm pragmatic.
Can I just say...this Third Way stuff. I remember hearing about this a long time ago, but never paid attention. I got to the point I thought it was just a phrase being used. After the 2016 election, and the berners using it all the time, I thought it was them thinking they were cleaver with the insults. So, it really is a thing? Who knew
Cha
(297,029 posts)It's beyond bizarre that he talks about the "financial elite" to describe the Democratic Party when he qualifies.
On November 16, 2016 he got on CNN and called our Democratic Party ".. the party of the Elite.. " and made it all about himself.. how "humiliated" he was. It was so disheartening. We were all hurting from what we now know was a stolen rigging in of the monster, traitor trump.
As for the 3rd way.. I did see this about the "attack ads on BS in Iowa"..
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11599831
Meanwhile, The Democratic Blue Wave Party Swept the Midterms so that we have a Democratic House Majority! All Kinds of Democrats All Over the Nation Did That.. Not BS' "mass emails".
Cha
(297,029 posts)We Won The Democratic House Majority getting all kinds of VOTES Across the Board.
It is you who forgets that.
Hekate
(90,616 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)Oh well.
George II
(67,782 posts)....committing to and working with Democrats for a much longer time as Democrats they're likely to attract more than one who hasn't done so.
Cha
(297,029 posts)back to 3rd party as fast as he could.
dubyadiprecession
(5,703 posts)Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #65)
LongtimeAZDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)trueblue2007
(17,202 posts)you aren't even a Democrat. And WHY IS THAT??
I'm tired of Bernie putting down our dems.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Response to JCanete (Reply #197)
betsuni This message was self-deleted by its author.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Or will he do as tRUmp continues to do--0 transparency.
Will he finally stop trying to rig primaries (as he did in Vermont: running as a Dem in the primaries to keep other Democrats out and then quickly switching back to Independent when he won the Democratic nom)?
Above and beyond, I'd like to see his tax returns. I'd like to know how he was able to buy a cabin on the lake for $600,000 IN CASH right after losing the 2016 primary.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,971 posts)When do you think he will make this decision? Im assuming the decision to run, and the decision to switch parties will come at the same time.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)guruoo
(5,092 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Much better to be the "big tent" party, n'est-ce pas?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)His career is built on the value of his swing vote in Congress and the threat of his leading voters into a 3rd party. But we're also supposed to believe he has multi-party appeal, and I do, so my strong suspicion is that if his bluff is ever called, the net effect will be negligible. But he'll never do it, of that I'm sure.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Not one penny from me.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)enough for him...hopefully he doesn't run or gets knocked of quickly in the primary. I find a Sanders run dangerous to our chances in 20.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)John Lewis is my ideal of a progressive. tbh.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Who, I totally agree is an ideal democrat as well as the greatest living American.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)It should be one of the first political ads when primary season starts up. It would seal the deal immediately.
Some things are unforgivable.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)He could be the ideal candidate.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)John Lewis doesn't owe anything and he doesn't own anything.
Seems like an ideal leader to me!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)FSogol
(45,466 posts)Also, anyone have a copy of an anti-Bernie attack ad from the Third Way Think tank? Third Way, which is a pretty powerless, tiny group was used as a major boogie-man in the last election.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Where are his tax returns ?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Unless and until he releases these to the public--I'll make it easy on him and only ask for his tax returns from 2015-2018--I can't and won't trust him to be anything other than a spoiler for Democrats.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)let's wait and see if he does first.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)demanding he makes public any tax return.
Response to FSogol (Reply #8)
LongtimeAZDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)I too remember the "third way" boogieman crowd. The followed third way Many, or comrade Manny, not sure who he really was, but he wasn't who he claimed to be here on DU. Seems like some of the same crowd has returned to DU to continue their "agenda" of stirring things up using the same tactics they used before they left for their new home on JPR.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Not going so well this time though.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Same old divisive Bernie. I guess wont be happy until he has made sure Democrats lose the Presidency again.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)a voice. Waiting for people to do the math.
honest.abe
(8,649 posts)By ensuring Democrats fail.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)A progressive candidate who is as strong on economic justice as social justice.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)The ONLY caveat to this is how many states will he be FORCED to supply with tax returns or will the party require it or will he run as an independent, I will admit those could have an effect on my prediction.
What I am certain of and would be willing to bet a FIVE FIGURE AMOUNT is if he was allowed to run as a D and would NOT have to disclose tax returns he would run NO MATTER WHO ELSE DOES.
Of that I will bet many dollars.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Still, I hope we have a strong candidate who can inspire those who want economic justice and social justice.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Kamala Harris
Joe Biden
Amy Klobuchar
Elizabeth Warren
Beto O'Rourke
Nancy Pelosi
Rep. Raul M. Grijalva
Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton
Markey
Lee
Franken
I could go on and on
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)So far they aren't saying much as national candidates.
The one I think has the most potential is one of the least likely to run -- Al Franken.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)maybe that would make it easier for those folks on the list.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And the message that they are not the same is why he will not win Southern primaries.
Racism and Misogyny are rooted in economic oppression.
The entire history of African Americans here in the south is their economic explanation.
And that is why many of us are inherently suspicious of self titled progressives. Historically too many of them have been willing to leave exploited minorities out of progressive legislation. The most striking examples are segregated schools and even more the exclusion of African Americans from Social Security in the 30s. White Southerners supported progressive legislation until Johnson expanded the programs to people of color.
Many of us know it could happen again. Especially when all we heard about in the year after the election were poor left-behind whites. And we heard that from the left as well as the right.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Of course some economic injustice is not about racism or misogyny.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Train-wreck of a statement using George Bush and Don the Con's method of fear all while being a victim.
And to any who weren't clear on this before, including me, he removed all doubt that the attacks against Beto are supported by him. I didn't think that was the case before. With this tragic piece of self promotion he removed all doubt. He is the ring leader behind the attacks on a damn good democrat.
"In 2016 we faced the kitchen sink."
A comment based in white male privilege while holding the mentality of a victim. Did he see what Clinton endured? Not even close to comparable.
Cosmocat
(14,560 posts)I voted Bernie in the primary.
But, once he didn't make it, he was a mixed bag.
And, he didn't get 1/100 of the republican full treatment because they were 100% focused on Hillary coming in and never lost sight of her because she had a solid lead throughout - in fact, they took it easy on him, propped him up a bit to try to split the party/voters ...
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Threw their support behind Sanders in that primary. Few wanted to enter against Clinton. If anyone should have it was someone to her left on economics. I am of the belief that a two party systrm can only be healthy if there are challenges and fights from within. I wish Sanders flew under the Democratic Party banner but also feel he was the right person to challenge Clinton. I say this as a strong Clinton supporter.
No matter the approach, we should find it positive that the party is shifting to the left and I see zero reason we should lurch right on any issue.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...being "divisive" yet some of his comments are equally divisive.
This is NOT the way to attract Democrats to his campaign.
Also note he keeps talking about "Democrats" yet he STILL hasn't done anything about becoming one himself.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)It is no stretch to imagine Putin will use other "useful idiot" non-Democrats to harm our nominee in the 2020 election, either.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)So far the reprocussion have pretty much been limited to somewhere around twenty-five indictments by Mueller. Pretty much no personal or political ramifications. Of course he will do it again. He has a history of doing it in many countries. That said, I think there is a far more damaging element from within Sanders support and among Sanders rhetoric. Please note that I am only talking about this one aspect. As a whole, Putin is far more damaging.
Cha
(297,029 posts)supported by him.. they started at BS' The Gathering.
For the record.. I haven't respected him since he thought it was a good idea to primary President Obama in 2012. 'Course he didn't want to do it.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)No one can be slow to the point they dont get it after reading this. I expect his current base to lash out wildly. Seems they were given the green light.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Bernie Sanders responded to an ad by Third Way. Therefore, he must have told David Sirota to write a negative article about Beto ORourke?
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Im good with it,
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)The use over and over again of the word "Our" instead of "We" seriously disturbs Us. The Ego is oozing though this so-called "Letter To Supporters" and it's disturbing.
We need a newer face on the scene that can take the Progressive message. We are okay with Beto BUT looking into his votes and his near billionaire monetary status thanks to his Spouse, is concerning.
With that, rising potential Candidates for 2020 like Stacey Abrams, Andrew Gillum, Jeff Merkley, Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris and Eric Swalwell are attracting our attention WAY MORE than Bernie and at this point Beto.
Lastly, this letter and other actions over the past year, seals the deal on Bernie. We are not interested in the least of supporting another Bernie Sanders Candidacy for President in 2020.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)I think it was more important than a lot of people realize. I have zero issue with a Sanders vote in that primary. I say that as someone who was big in the Clinton corner. In a two party system there should be fights like that. I do wish Sanders would have done more campaigning in the general but I want to keep my comments here directed at the fact I have no ill will toward anyone who was strongly in Sanders corner based on ideological and strategic differences.
I appreciate the names you have mentioned. Some seriously good people.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)but, maybe he can adequately explain them away. Guess, we'll see if he decides to run in 2020. Frankly, I think he needs more seasoning. There are more progressive candidates out there who reflect our values, who will no doubt run, especially if Bernie bows out gracefully.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)I think I read something about that in the TOS.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)he polarized and alienated too many people. And by the way, I was not sure what third way means and was reading about it last night and its pretty reasonable position. Bill Clinton was following it which produced the best economy and record budget surpluses.
still_one
(92,110 posts)not forget what happened in 2016
As for his comment how bigger and better they are than ever, his midterm endorsements did not do well at all, and that is a preview how well he will do if he decided to run in 2020
Oh, hell have become a Democrat again, which no doubt after he loses the primary again he will run away from the Democratic label, and call himself independent
We will have a new face someone who was NOT part of the 2016 election
Me.
(35,454 posts)was/is a disgrace
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)"Comments like this are clearly going to DIVIDE the Democratic party, that is now beyond debate. What reason would he have to DIVIDE the party?"
Will they ever ask this question?
Me.
(35,454 posts)who was a one time Manafort partner?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)sanctions or Magnitsky?
Why dont people ASK THEMSELVES WHY
Me.
(35,454 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)When in fact, thats exactly what he did in Vermont.
Funny, isnt it?
Accuse your opponents of that of which you are guilty. Very Trumpish.
Me.
(35,454 posts)also, they ALL take Pac money of one sort or another
sprinkleeninow
(20,235 posts)Not this still.
He'd better not be able to get on the Dem primary ticket according to the new rules. 😏
I didn''t 'mind' him way early on, but since his demeanor after Hillary got the nod, that did it for me in most respects. Turn-off.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Always asking, you'd think he was a charity.
roody
(10,849 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)There have been millions of those three dollars as well as the $1.50 he scoops up when he sends out fundraisers for others.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)including BS and AOC, it just depends on who the PAC is on whether or not it has a negative connotation.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)BS
The folks supporting BS are divisive to the point where they will cut their noses to spite their faces. They'll waste their votes on "protest" votes and some will even vote republican and when the Dems lose they'll blame a "weak" candidate because he/she wasn't "progressive" enough.
emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)Nor am I going to pay Levi and Carolinas salaries.
I supported you in Primary 2016. Looking elsewhere this time.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)I find no attacks...if someone else does please feel free to send me a link. What Sen. Sanders is going to get this time is a thorough vetting assuming he runs...that is not an attack but what all candidates face. I sincerely hope he doesn't run. Already, I see division being created. We don't need this...as Trump must go down...I doubt RBG can continue for six more years.
emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)Hekate
(90,616 posts)I've scrolled all the way down and have seen no link to help out a reasonable question.
comradebillyboy
(10,134 posts)have lost any meaning. The purity police use these terms to smear anyone who isn't an independent junior senator from Vermont.
Hekate
(90,616 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Which is the purpose of course.
emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)https://live-01.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/progressives-can-do-better-bernie-sanders-duplicitous-democratic-socialism
Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #52)
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Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Thats what the group calls itself.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Third Way
1025 Connecticut Ave. NW, Suite 400
Washington, DC 20036
Closest Metro: Farragut North Metro
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)won. This is the Eastwood vs Bacon race in Nebraska...that is the attack? Really.
democraticunderground.com
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)what he is doing, yet really good people who are on our side dont?
Maven
(10,533 posts)is too strong for many to resist.
mountain grammy
(26,605 posts)Tuition free higher education? Medicare for all?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)One stop shopping is so much more convenient
mountain grammy
(26,605 posts)Amazing how the right wing talking points are used here without question. We all know tuition free college and Medicare for all aren't "free stuff" like conservatives would want everyone to believe. We just believe our taxes should support these programs for ALL Americans.
Free stuff????? Sounds like my right wing brother in law.. wonder if he's on DU now?
Can't get a response from the "free stuff" poster, so guess we'll never know what was meant by that.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Perhaps there's a "Fourth Way" I haven't heard about??
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Nope, guess the richest nation in the history of the world can't have that... no, the corporations won't stand for it!!
snowybirdie
(5,222 posts)Become a Democrat yet?
Response to Eric J in MN (Original post)
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lunasun
(21,646 posts)Huh?
Also any links from early primary state paid ads against him?
still_one
(92,110 posts)not a very smart thing to start out with such a divisive message
His interrview during that time in the NY Daily News spoke just how much he DOESN'T know or all the years he has been in Congress
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306
Cha
(297,029 posts)"attacking his progressive agenda"? It was incorporated into the Democratic Platform.
saljr1
(273 posts)Bernie in 2016 dishing out over 2 grand for his campaign but I can't support him this time because I believe he can't win. He will not run on independent ticket because that will assure a Trump victory(splitting the vote) . My first two choices are Amy and Beto.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)We need a solid, limited legislative agenda - and full support for the experienced Pelosi.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)I'm in the biggest media market in Iowa and I've seen no such ads.
MuseRider
(34,103 posts)The run last time put him and his ideas out there and on the map and he has made very good use of his popularity to keep his ideas in the media and minds of the people. He has spoken Democratic ideals over and over and I believe this is his best gift to all of us. The longer these things are in the minds of the people the closer we are to getting them. He seems to work well with others who are Independents and Democrats and as I have said before it does not seem like the Democrats have much of a problem with him, it is people here who can't seem to find much else to do but live for Bernie bashing. Whatever. If he runs I will send him some money but would hope for a younger, female person of color (that would be my ideal) who closely runs with ideas like his. That person would more likely get my vote but Bernie I will support as much as I can until the day he quits working for the people.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)not just talk about things his own state has rejected, and couched in all of those ideas are the undermining messages that its Democrats to blame for not getting it for anyone. No more we dont need anymore smearing of our party .
Maven
(10,533 posts)If he runs, hell get destroyed. Everything that should have been used to disqualify him in 2016 but wasnt, will be.
George II
(67,782 posts)Why didn't he mention anything specific about the ads? Do they really exist?
BTW, as far as "Wall Street Democrats", if you go to his Senate Personal Financial Disclosure you'll see that he and his spouse have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in "Wall Street" corporations.
peggysue2
(10,826 posts)You are not the best candidate, Senator Sanders. Nor would you beat Donald Trump in 2020, anymore than you would have beat him in 2016.
As a Democrat I will vote for our 2020 Democratic candidate. Period, close quote. That will not be you since your slide back to independent status. No more piggy-backing a party for $$ and media attention, which you did in 2016 by your own admission. No more dividing a major party for your own purposes or demeaning Democratic candidates to serve your own agenda.
Btw, the victimhood market has been cornered by the Trumpsters. You 'faced the kitchen sink?' Who is writing these emails for you? A non-English speaker? Someone might throw the kitchen sink at you by the sheer vetting requirements this time out. As in tax returns and explanations on dubious votes or lack there of. Sanctions anyone?
So, please. Save your breath and everyone's time. We have an election to win. You can either help our Democratic candidate beat the living daylights out of the Imposter-in-Chief and his Putin-loving acolytes. Or,
you can get out of the damn way.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)are over. Excellent post.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)I won't vote for a Republican or an Independent.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Take it from me, Bernie: You're not the best candidate to run against Trump. Not even close. Stick with your Senate seat.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)kcr
(15,315 posts)This will only resonate with his core, dyed-in-the-wool Busters, and they won't be nearly enough. Everyone else will think it only helps Trump, and they'll be correct, and he'll be done before he even starts. He should have hired new consultants.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,838 posts)Who's the financial elite he's referring to? Certainly not wealthy Republicans. They're making out like bandits under Trump.
JI7
(89,244 posts)Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #108)
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Cha
(297,029 posts)calling our Democratic Party the party of the elite. That's his buzzword for us. Making it all about himself.
Always Divisive.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...he spread a message to break up the Big Banks.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,838 posts)Things have gotten easier for the big banks with the ascendency of the Republicans because Dodd-Frank has been rolled back and what has not is not enforced.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...will be broken up, partially because he spread the message.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)not sure.
yardwork
(61,585 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)yardwork
(61,585 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)This is their website:
https://www.thirdway.org/about
yardwork
(61,585 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)This time around, tough questions will be asked about Bernie's positions and actions on gun rights, his tax returns, his Amber alert vote, etc., and his largely lackluster record in the US House and Senate. And the media won't be showing him all the love they did in 2016.
It will be difficult for Bernie to differentiate his positions from the other progressive candidates. And if he declares himself a Dem candidate this time around, that alone will sink him with many Dem voters.
betsuni
(25,442 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)a "kitchen sink" is, yet.
betsuni
(25,442 posts)I'm sure he doesn't know that the Democratic candidate in the last election was the first one in history in which the majority of donors were women and the average donation was under $100. But no, hide under the bed, Wall Street Democrats are coming with kitchen sinks. Ridiculous.
Cha
(297,029 posts)Cool about Hillary!
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)to opt out (again!) of Sanders' emails. I hope it sticks this time.
betsuni
(25,442 posts)I don't get it. From the links I see an article and some tweets.
brooklynite
(94,461 posts)Just a post comparing the policy positions of two House candidates
Just like there's a post supporting Nancy Pelosi for speaker, advocating for dealing with Climate change, supporting ranked-choice voting...
betsuni
(25,442 posts)He shouldn't run if he's getting this worked up about nothing.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts).. appears in the timeline of people not following the account. I added the tweet to the bottom of my OP.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It's still not clear where it came from or who received it.
brooklynite
(94,461 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)..in the timelines of people who dont follow them. So its an ad.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)And as I have tried to say a few hundred times, stay tuned, gonna happen again.
I am now NOT talking about what HE ADMITS HE DID, I am talking about how he is THREATENING TO DO IT AGAIN!
Someone on DU should daily post a thread linking to that line in that email...I say a new thread daily.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)betsuni
(25,442 posts)Not real.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Right there in black and white, a PROMISE even.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
betsuni
(25,442 posts)A spokesperson for Third Way says, "By far the important question the Democrats should be asking is which candidate and which set of ideas has the best chances of beating Trump. The midterms proved conclusively that the Sanders ideas fail that test."
If that or similar is a vilifying attack, then I'm the Queen of England with a golden-hued antique French piano in the living room. It's not like they called Bernie corrupt and an elitist beholden to Wall Street and wealthy donors without a shred of evidence or anything.
Cha
(297,029 posts)ads for BS were?
I guess that dose of information is not settling well with those who call them attack ads.
George II
(67,782 posts)....is the so-called "price" they paid "last time we (rhetorical "we", I guess) ran"?
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...about breaking up the Big Banks, and eventually they will be.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And that is fine. But there is absolutely no evidence that was his intention. There is no movement to break up big banks.
This is a fact based site. It is fine you think that is what he meant. Now please show us evidence that was his intention.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)he accuses anyone of "financial elite".
So going to make Democrats "pay a price again today" is he? What "price" does he have in mind?
Who made attacks on his "progressive agenda"? Wasn't it incorporated into the Democratic Platform?
He was on cnn November 16, 2016 calling my Democratic Party "the party of the elite".. making it all about himself.. how he was "humiliated". All he has are empty buzzwords.
Me.
(35,454 posts)he keeps asking for in his emails and the dollar fifty he skims off money requests for other people.
Mike Nelson
(9,949 posts)
running, to me!
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)You may very well end up being the best candidate to take on Trump in 2020.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)...candidates we don't really know what is what and who will rise to the top.
I'm waiting for them to start speaking and acting like national candidates.
I hope the top contenders come out strong after the new year because there is currently a vacuum.
Bernie has his weak spots and even deficiencies. I recognize that, but we know what we're getting.
I would be very happy to see a stronger candidate emerge because surely that person will beat Trump.
Chemisse
(30,806 posts)I think Bernie will sink to the bottom of the candidate pool, because we all recognize now that the very last thing we need is division among the Dems.
His rhetoric resonated in 2016 because many of us resented having a single choice, a great candidate except that half the country hated her right out of the gate, and we also wanted more left-leaning ideas to prevail.
Bernie's divisive rhetoric hasn't changed, but we have. A lot. The Trump presidency has been devastating - scarring even. Now the most important thing is to end it, preferably with a progressive candidate, and we must be strong and united to do so.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)Bob Dole was a Republican. There's that.
marlakay
(11,443 posts)Allow different parts of our party to divide us.
I am on the left side I like Bernie, but I also like Beto. I like quite a few who want to run.
The problem isnt us as we will debate and tear the factions that try to divide us apart.
The problem is those people in those states that dont pay close attention and will believe the ads and in disgust may not vote at all.
We have to pull together and stay together on this site so we can fight against all the groups trying to divide us.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)pamdb
(1,332 posts)Do. Not. Run.
nini
(16,672 posts)Putin is happy too.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,159 posts)Are they coordinated with the potential candidates? I certainly hope not. But until Sanders tells his Berniebros at RootsAction to back off their attacks on Beto O'Rourke (just one example), I'm going to assume he's okay with them. Since the DLC/Third Way haven't been pushing a particular candidate that I'm aware of, and no one has yet announced they will run, I can't really hold them responsible for what the DLC says against Bernie. But when someone does, I will be very concerned about anyone aligning themselves with DLC/3rd Way.
United we stand. DIVIDED WE FALL
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...not to criticize their opponents.
Criticizing politicians is a valid part of democracy.
betsuni
(25,442 posts)an "absolute failure," beholden to wealthy donors and corporations, not caring about the working class, etc., is not criticism. Where is the proof of any of his attacks? What is the point of calling Democrats and Planned Parenthood establishment?
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
honest.abe
(8,649 posts)If he runs as an Independent then we are totally screwed and its 4 more years of Trump.
I am sorry but I am beginning to despise this man.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
honest.abe
(8,649 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 30, 2018, 09:43 AM - Edit history (1)
New rule will require all candidates to be members of Democratic Party and run and serve as a Democrat.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
honest.abe
(8,649 posts)He's got too large an ego to do that.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Go Bernie!
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Aren't we still waiting for him to release them in full?
Me.
(35,454 posts)if there was ever going to be transparency regarding them we would've seen them by now. Perhaps he thinks he can get away with it again and don't forget he'll be running as indie as he isn't a dem
earthshine
(1,642 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)is the reason we now have a Democratic House Majority and are able to Fight the Fascists on one Important Front besides Robert Mueller!
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...before the midterms.
He did a rally for Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) for Governor even though he supported a different candidate in the Democratic Primary. She won.
Cha
(297,029 posts)Party..
Just as he did right after the rigging in of trump on November 16, 2016 when he called my Democratic Party "the Party of the elite".
DFW
(54,326 posts)Running long posts by candidates not even of our party seeking donations of money?
What's next for DU? Posts with links to contribution sites for the re-election campaigns of Joni Ernst and John Cornyn?