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TheBlackAdder

(28,163 posts)
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:04 AM Dec 2018

Don Jr. May Have Gone to Prague, Not Michael Cohen

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Ever since the Steele Dossier was published Michael Cohen has denied that he has ever been in or near Prague in the Czech Republic. But most people thought he was lying.

This week McClatchey reported that there is convincing evidence that his cell phone was used near Prague in 2016, so we thought this was proof that Cohen has been lying all along about the Prague visit.

But now there is speculation that Cohen is telling the truth. The thinking is that he himself was not in or near Prague in 2016, but someone else from the Trump campaign was there with one of his cell phones.
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And Ivana’s father lived near Prague and was visited by Don Jr. many times during his childhood. So for Don Jr. to visit Prague would not be surprising or suspicious, since he has been going there his whole life.




Check out the rest, here, which lays down a plausible claim that Traitor Tot usd Cohen's burner phone.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/12/29/don-jr-may-have-gone-to-prague-not-michael-cohen.html

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Don Jr. May Have Gone to Prague, Not Michael Cohen (Original Post) TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 OP
That would be even better than Cohen Renew Deal Dec 2018 #1
We have to get 'to the bottom of this' empedocles Dec 2018 #2
Perhaps Steele and others knew the phone number as being Cohen's, hence the confusion. TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #3
How would it be a mistake? OliverQ Dec 2018 #5
I was actually thinking about this. OliverQ Dec 2018 #4
Yeah, it would explain that tweet. NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #6
Aha! That is MOST interesting. calimary Dec 2018 #7
The phone pinged outside Prague WhiteTara Dec 2018 #8
Phones going though airport security must prove they turn on, there should have been others. TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #9
I'm betting that he didn't go through security WhiteTara Dec 2018 #15
I don't fly that much, but I have never been asked to show that my phone turns on. LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #17
Crappy, unhelpful article Yosemito Dec 2018 #10
If both travel over there at the same time, it creates confusion who the actual person was. TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #12
Yep. I don't read that website. Too many articles like this show up here. manor321 Dec 2018 #14
Be sure if it wasn't Jr. it was one of the Trump campaigners. allgood33 Dec 2018 #11
It would make more sense if Don Jr went to Prague instead of Cohen katmondoo Dec 2018 #13
Russians were overheard saying Cohen was in Prague Yosemito Dec 2018 #19
But this. Iggo Dec 2018 #16
Junior while in Prague used one of the phones Mr. Mueller confiscated from Cohen. sarcasmo Dec 2018 #18
If they have one of Cohen's burner phones around Prague Jarqui Dec 2018 #20
Could it have been Iwanker? nt Ilsa Dec 2018 #21
That makes the most sense to me too. ffr Dec 2018 #22
This makes sense NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #23

Renew Deal

(81,844 posts)
1. That would be even better than Cohen
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:08 AM
Dec 2018

But it would be the first known mistake in the Dossier.
Still, can Don Jr be placed at the meeting with Russians?

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
5. How would it be a mistake?
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:28 AM
Dec 2018

What if Don Jr. used one of Cohen's burner phones? He had like 20 of them.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
4. I was actually thinking about this.
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:27 AM
Dec 2018

Don Jr. is fluent in Czech and visits often.

This could explain Cohen's bizarre tweet. He says he wasn't in Prague, but Mueller knows everything. Maybe he his reference to Mueller is that he knows Don Jr. was actually the one there.

TheBlackAdder

(28,163 posts)
9. Phones going though airport security must prove they turn on, there should have been others.
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:53 AM
Dec 2018

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It's not only that it pinged outside Prague, when it was probably turned on, it must have been turned on at the airport security lines too.

It can't be tracked to travel logs?

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LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
17. I don't fly that much, but I have never been asked to show that my phone turns on.
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:33 AM
Dec 2018

YMMV, but checking every phone would take a lot of extra time. I would not put much faith in that theory.

 

Yosemito

(648 posts)
10. Crappy, unhelpful article
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:55 AM
Dec 2018

Cohen was in Europe, and was in a position to go to the Czech Republic without leaving a trace in his passport because you can travel freely within countries there.
Looks like Cohen was in Prague.
Plus why would Trump sacrifice his son by giving Cohen an alibi?

TheBlackAdder

(28,163 posts)
12. If both travel over there at the same time, it creates confusion who the actual person was.
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:05 AM
Dec 2018

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If Cohen traveled there, at that time, by himself, it would be easy to connect the dots.

If there are multiple people traveling to the Prague area, the ability to prove who it was adds reasonable doubt.

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allgood33

(1,584 posts)
11. Be sure if it wasn't Jr. it was one of the Trump campaigners.
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:58 AM
Dec 2018

I am certain Mueller knows exactly who it was.

 

Yosemito

(648 posts)
19. Russians were overheard saying Cohen was in Prague
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 02:20 PM
Dec 2018

"During the same period of late August or early September, electronic eavesdropping by an Eastern European intelligence agency picked up a conversation among Russians, one of whom remarked that Cohen was in Prague, two people familiar with the incident said."

Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article219016820.html#storylink=cpy

Iggo

(47,534 posts)
16. But this.
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:23 AM
Dec 2018

"So for Don Jr. to visit Prague would not be surprising or suspicious, since he has been going there his whole life."

Why create suspicion where there wouldn't have been any?

Jarqui

(10,119 posts)
20. If they have one of Cohen's burner phones around Prague
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:31 PM
Dec 2018

talking to phone numbers linked to the Russians

and Trump Jr or whoever has been lying about it, then Trump has a significant problem arguing no conspiracy because some of his folks would have been caught lying about it.

Whether it was Cohen, Don Jr or someone else close to Trump, this is not good news for them.

If the Steele dossier misidentified Cohen because his burner phone was used, sorry but that is not too terrible an error.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
23. This makes sense
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 06:56 PM
Dec 2018

What doesn't make sense is Cohen continuing to lie, particularly after he got a deal for just 3 years in prison. Mueller seemed pleased with him; those 3 years didn't come from him but from SDNY. Now he says Mueller knows everything, and he's most likely right.

It may be and probably is Junior, or it could be someone else. But I no longer think it was Cohen. That doesn't put Cohen in the clear; it was his phone that he must have given to someone.

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