This is how you drown a government in a bathtub

[superpatriotman]

This fully-planned shutdown is being celebrated by privateers and government haters.

Privatization of our public institutions is on the near horizon as our incompetent, radical figureheads destroy agency after agency then scream about how incompetent the agencies were.

Our constitution, unfortunately, does not provide remedies for the deep crisis in which we find ourselves.

There are no ethics, laws or safeguards against this propaganda-made 21st-century fascism.

Grover Norquist must be under his Locke rock salivating.

Rant over.

[California_Republic]

1. I disagree

“Our constitution, unfortunately, does not provide remedies for the deep crisis in which we find ourselves. ”

Pass a budget, then override the veto.

Or Impeachment

[docgee]

5. Getting rid of tRump won't solve this problem.

It's been going on for a long time. Conservatives do things like under fund the Dept of Agriculture, then rant about how they have such a huge building that costs so much but is only half staffed. They saddle the Post Office with pre funding pensions and complain they are losing money. Their cure of course is to get rid of regulatory agencies and privatize everything.

[ewagner]

22. Even if privatizations was almost total...

Congress would still have to vote to appropriate the funds...and they could deadlock just like they are now and shut down even the privateers.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Trump would have shut down the government for something else even if

Congress gave him the $5 billion for the Wall.

Who knows what the new demand would be: Congress has to pass a federal law outright banning and criminalizing abortion in all situations. Shut down the Mueller Investigation.

[superpatriotman]

3. You've made my point

A unitary executive is bullshit.

Too much power in one branch of government.

[GetRidOfThem]

20. the wall is a red herring...

Trump wants the wall issue, as a wedge against dems, not the wall itself. Just imagine if the dems actually let him have it...

[pangaia]

4. destroy agency after agency then scream about how incompetent the agencies were.

Exactly reagun's plan with public schools.

[superpatriotman]

7. Behold the rise of charter schools

And homeschooling

Next up: public dollars for parochial education

[kimbutgar]

21. I recently subbed in a 5th grade classroom at a public school

Most of the kids I knew in class had been attending the school for years. But they had 4 new kids in class. One was homeschooled and could barely read or write he was homeschooled. The kid had not even received phonic instruction when I asked him to sound out vowels and syllables. He didn’t even know consonant blends. The two who went to private school were also below grade level and had trouble getting along with other kids. The last child I was not able to access their ability .

[appalachiablue]

27. Correct- charters, homeschooling, anything but guvmint schools

[FreepFryer]

6. Nope. Trump's shutdown and our House response will reawaken a keen interest in effective government.

Witness the midterm blue wave.

Mismanagement is one thing, a shutdown is quite another.

[BadgerMom]

8. So let's do something.

It’s on us, too. We’ve watched this build and not demanded action to stop it. That has to end. I’m sick of looking at this mess, seeing it clearly and doing nothing but moaning. Moaning gets us where we are. What do we do? Organization and action won back the House we’d been mourning as lost forever for several election cycles. Use the Constitutional structures in place and let’s find a path out.

[Scarsdale]

11. McConnell HAS to go.

Too much power in his hands. Expose his Russian money involvement, and get him OUT.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

15. That's the stuff Badgermom.

I'm w her.^^^

[FreepFryer]

23. Me too. Won't be dissuaded by discouragement. (n/t)

[Mr. Quackers]

19. What's your plan?

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

24. What's yours?

We are in this together.

[Mr. Quackers]

30. I'm not making pronouncements about what people need to do

hence, no plan here for all and sundry. I just vote and participate at the county level by being my precinct's Democratic committeeperson.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

31. Seems being a bit snarky when someone has a thought,

isnt helpful either. And it smacks of trying to somehow down the OP. (To me.) We try to get along here and encourage thoughts.
Welcome to DU.

[Mr. Quackers]

33. What in particular was snarky about asking a simple question?

Let me know so I can save for future reference.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

34. You have a good day.

BM answered your question.

[Mr. Quackers]

35. You made the accusation about snark

I'm genuinely curious what snark you saw in a simple question.

"We try to get along here and encourage thoughts."

I'm curious about your thoughts and encouraging you to tell me them.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

36. I said good day.

[Mr. Quackers]

37. So no answer

You can sling shit, but not explain what you meant.

Okey dokey.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

40. The words

"seems" and "a bit" certainly arent exactly "bringing shit" but I see you think so. Its the govts job to run the govt. BM had a great thought. You take care.

[Mr. Quackers]

43. so why make a shitty accusation at all?

it's easier to ask someone what they meant.

Accusing someone of "snark"is very dismissive.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

44. Bc you're new?

I have to mow the lawn. Anything else?

[Mr. Quackers]

45. "Bc you're new?"

so there you have it . . .

[marble falls]

54. So whats with your third degree? You didn't get the answer you want so move on ...

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its sure seems like you're trying to troll CC. We're all allowed to have an opinion here without having to justify it so long as we follow ToS.

[Mr. Quackers]

55. I know what you're trying to do

and it isn't working.

[marble falls]

56. I'm trying to uderstand what the angst with CC's about. No subtext on my part at all ...

what do you think is going on?????

[BadgerMom]

26. My plan?

I think good things started in the days post-election 2016, things like Swing Left and the Indivisible movement. I plan to continue supporting such organizations and Democrats whose ideas I like as well as the Party. I plan to donate to and work for candidates whose policies are close to mine.

I think we should communicate to our representatives and candidates that the legislative branch of government should be more muscular, taking back power ceded over time to the executive. I think reinstating the Fairness Doctrine with appropriate updates would be good. The voter protections Democrats in Congress are looking to pass are needed. Campaign finance reform is needed. I have a laundry list of things I’d like. Why can’t we have a reality-based Fox News? Why can’t we start a liberal Federalist Society? I’m old enough to know I won’t get my wish list supporting any one candidate or in a single election cycle. But we need to start building, discussing these ideas. Working at it is all I can think to do.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

28. Good response. I'm w her.

[Mr. Quackers]

32. all politics is local

good place to start is at the local level with what might seem like very mundane stuff.

Good wish list though. Each item could potentially be broken into many, many activities.

[superpatriotman]

39. Lets start by gutting the right's favorite government programs:

First:

Military and Defense

Don't need it. Too big. Drown it in a bathtub.

Second:

Remove the cap on Social Security.

Social Security should be paid on EVERY dollar earned, not only to $128k

Third:

End corporate welfare. All of it. Don't want to pay corporate taxes? You can't do business here.

Fourth:

Abolish ICE and most of the Patriot Act

The world is dangerous. Deal with it.

Other progressive ideas:

Fifth:

Election day should be a national holiday.

Sixth:

Gerrymandering needs to be reversed and drowned in a bathtub

Seventh:

Overturn Citizen's United

Eighth:

Implement single-payer

I could go on, but you get the point...

[Mr. Quackers]

41. I agree with you

[lunatica]

47. Great start! I agree with you.

We need to put pressure on our reps. And we need to support those new ones who have the same ideas. I don’t want them to be swallowed up by the outdated ponderous machine in DC. We have a golden opportunity now!

[BadgerMom]

48. Concur

👍🏻

[MarcA]

52. Unfortunately the quislings will say it's too radical to even discuss such things. n/t

[lunatica]

46. Absolutely never give up!

With the blue wave we’ve just begun. This midterm election was a pivotal moment. If we press on we will make the progress needed to create a future that benefits everyone and the planet. If we allow them to win we might as well kiss our asses, and our future kids’ asses goodbye.

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. January 3 all hell breaks loose and it will be AWESOME!

[dlk]

9. The Government is Our Only Protection Against the Billionaire Oligarchs

We are moving backward.

[BlueJac]

10. Sad but true!

These people just hate America and want to destroy it!

[mac56]

12. Republicans cry about how government doesn't work.

Then they get elected, and prove it.

[UniteFightBack]

13. It's kind of funny that in the end it's going to be the Government - and the courts - who expose

all of this and what is going on and there shall be a reckoning.

[superpatriotman]

42. The Media helps, too

A free and fair press along with investigative journalism and real-time fact checking will save the republic.

[UniteFightBack]

53. Oh absolutely. You won't be hearing me knock the media and if I did I would be specific and not say

the MSM in general. Besides, knocking the media helps rump so why would I want to do that?

THANK GOODNESS for them as well! Warts and all.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

16. I love the government, and my Country.

SO many half ass righties w nothing better to do but bitch and think about themselves. We need a Renaissance of Care. Our Country needs a hug. A long, lasting, grateful hug.

[Liberal In Texas]

17. When you elect people who hate government

You get bad government.

I don't know why the MAGgots don't realize that.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

25. "You can't be a Patriot, and hate your government."

Someone said once.

[smirkymonkey]

50. +1000

[WhiteHat]

18. Even Grover Norquist knows

that government shutdowns cost more than they save. Unfortunately, Trump doesn't know that. He said he's going to use the shutdown savings to build his wall.

BTW, I haven't heard that name ever since people quit calling themselves Tea Partiers. I wonder what bathtub full of money Norquist is dipping into nowadays.

[appalachiablue]

29. Govt.-hating Libertarianism is on the rise, with no sign of stopping.

The Kochs are pleased.

[elleng]

38. They're doing it, every day/every way.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/26/us/politics/donald-trump-environmental-regulation.html?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/28/us/native-american-education.html?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/25/opinion/editorials/irs-audits-rich.html?

Trump Makes 2019 Federal Pay Freeze Official. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142232494

The Hidden Cost of a Government Shutdown https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016222816

'War on transparency': US agency plans crackdown on information requests. https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016222812