Trump's fake green card golf course scam being investigated by FBI and not ICE stuns ex-US Attorney

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TOM BOGGIONI
30 DEC 2018 AT 13:00 ET

Appearing on MSNBC’s AM Joy, a former U.S. Attorney raised his eyebrows at the news that the FBI is involved in investigating fake green cards reportedly supplied to undocumented immigrants by employees at President Donald Trump’s New Jersey golf course.

Speaking with fill-in host, Margaret Radford, former prosecutor Guy Lews said that Trump may not be personally held responsible for his employees breaking federal law — but added that it was curious that the FBI was called in.

“What are the possibilities that the president actually knew about this? What are the legal implications if, in fact, he did?” Radford asked.

“I think it’s probably unlikely that the president himself actually knew about it, at least I’m not seeing any evidence that the president was involved in it or knew about it,” Lewis admitted. “However, that doesn’t mean that it’s not a problem for the president and, certainly, the golf course itself. It is a federal offense, you cannot hire illegal immigrants to work, it’s a federal law and we dealt with it all the time here in South Florida when I was U.S. Attorney.”

“The thing I found that was fascinating about this is that it’s not ICE, Immigration Customs Enforcement, investigating this,” he explained. “They would normally be the organization that would investigate this kind of offense.”

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[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Of course he knew and the FBI will prove it.

[politicaljunkie41910]

21. He also uses the H-1B Visa Program to bring foreign workers into this country to work at his

properties. This is his preferred method because if he sponsors them and brings them over to this country, they can only work for him. Since he's cheap and doesn't like to pay his workers, they're stuck with him. They can't quit and go work for someone else. He has them at all his properties and hotels, but the H-1B program limits the number of workers you can bring in since they're coming from foreign countries. Also, the sponsors have to pay fees for each person he brings in and there are usually attorney's fees as well to file the paperwork.

We all know that Trump is cheap and doesn't like to pay people, so I doubt that those who work for him are happy campers, particularly since they come from foreign countries and we know how he feels about foreigners. So my guess is that what he can't get through the H-1B program, he makes up for with illegal aliens. He can pay them less money since they're undocumented, and he obviously knows where to get them the fake documents they need, just in case someone comes around to check up on him. Also, he doesn't have to pay for their sponsorship or anything and he can treat them like dirt, which he does, as the women have previously reported.

[triron]

28. MSM is loathe to entertain that for some arcane reason.

[empedocles]

2. No ICE?

Hmmmmmmm

[YessirAtsaFact]

18. ICE is Trump's Gestapo - They wouldn't investigate his property, they would cover up any issues

ICE is thoroughly corrupt at this point. That's why the FBI is looking into this.

[WheelWalker]

3. RICO implications?

[empedocles]

19. Rico lurks. Big shadow potential there.

[FreepFryer]

4. Because it isn't an investigation into immigration law, it's likely a conspiracy investigation.

[Xipe Totec]

5. Involving ICE as part of that conspiracy. nt

[FreepFryer]

6. Bingotronic. If there is evidence ICE was aware and did nothing, they're coconspirators. (n/t)

[ProudLib72]

23. Well, it would be loverly to get rid of all his Brown Shirts

[FreepFryer]

25. I'm looking forward to making sure no one with Nazi tattoos serves in law or government in any form.

That'll be a particularly fun day.

[jmowreader]

7. So we're up to how many Trump properties with this problem?

At some point the MAGA crowd has to admit their guy is part of the problem.

[vsrazdem]

8. It is the FBI because the the Golf Course provided fake identification documents.

[malaise]

14. Do you think the Con didn't know about those fake documents? n/t

[Farmer-Rick]

15. Almost all illegal hirings in the US involve fake documentation

And ICE normally investigates them.

[vsrazdem]

22. Are the fake documents usually provided by the employer?

[TexasBushwhacker]

24. I think usually not

That's what's unique about Trump's case. I worked for a commercial landscaping company. All we were required to do was make a copy of the employee's ID, Social Security card and work permit (green card) if they had one. Employers ARE NOT required to confirm the validity of those documents with the feds (E-verify) which is why it's all so bogus. But has there ever been a law, presented by the GOP or the Democrats, to require employers to E-verify? Of course not, because businesses say it would be an undo burden.

[Farmer-Rick]

29. No, most illegal employers don't want to run any risk

They'll knowingly hire migrant workers without proper documentation but put the burden on the worker to come up with the forged documents. There really aren't any fines or punishment for illegal employers, unlike in most other advanced nations.

Most employers could easily verify the identity of their immigrant employees but they don't and aren't required by law to do so, unlike most other advanced nations. So, it's a win for an employer to hire undocumented workers, no risk, the risk is all on the employee and they can abuse them and under pay them knowing they wont dare complain.

So, why did Traitor Trump Inc. get in the business of forging documents when its really not necessary? Makes you wonder what those employees were really doing.

[Hekate]

9. How many are Eastern Europeans not vetted for ties to Putin? I remember readling long ago...

...that he had a preference for Eastern Europeans for some jobs, with or without legit papers, would underpay them, stiff them, and threaten to deport them if they caused trouble.

All I remember for sure is models who turned into escorts, and men in the building trades for his properties. Aside from the inhumanity and illegality, one thought that crossed my mind was how incredibly easy it would be for Trump and every associate to be spied on.

[Ilsa]

10. I don't think ICE wants to

do anything to harm dodgy donald. I trust the FBI on this more than ICE.

[UniteFightBack]

11. I'll bet they find they've been doing this for decades and of course rump knew. nt

[Kingofalldems]

12. Kick for the freepers.

[Hulk]

13. Bad enough they knowingly hire undocumented slave labor...

...something else that they distribute fake green cards. THAT to me is the bigger issue.

[Texin]

16. The FBI's there because officials with the club obtained those fake docs for the employees

without legal documentation to be in this country and to work here. The club arranged and paid some outside source to create these documents. Since this was in NJ, I'm sure there isn't a paucity of mobsters around who routinely practice this fine art of counterfeiting), which makes the fraud a FBI matter. I'm sure there's just a little bit of concern as to whether there might be other such activity - say, human trafficking going on here and elsewhere as well. This is way beyond a case of trying to cover up the hiring of immigrants without documentation.

[onethatcares]

17. aren't fake green cards

just like fake money, fake EBT cards, fake military i.d.s, and the rest?

I'm not surprised in the least by the FBIs interest in this.

[LiberalLovinLug]

20. ICE is the closest thing that Trump has to his own SS or Gestapo.

[procon]

26. Someone had to get approval for the costs of all those fake papers.

Who did they get to authorize the payments for the documents and then who signed the checks?

[dameatball]

27. I no longer have a link, but there were some Palm Beach employment agencies that have been

complaining about this. They claim to have many qualified US clients that could fill those jobs.