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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,476 posts)
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 09:22 AM Dec 2018

Forum: What's the Matter With the Supreme Court?

https://www.thenation.com/article/forum-whats-the-matter-with-the-supreme-court/
[An article 4 months old but with excellent ideas]

Mandate Diversity
Sanford Levinson

The first piece of business would be to eliminate life tenure for members of the Supreme Court. This could be done through age limits. Almost every state imposes such restrictions on judges in their own courts, as do almost all other national constitutions in the world. But the best solution, already supported by many, would be nonrenewable 18-year terms, which would eliminate the ability of justices to time their resignations for political purposes.

A convention might also raise questions about the appointment process itself. The United States has, without a doubt, the most deeply politicized high court in the world. This was inevitable once the two-party system developed and presidents realized that friendly judges were important to achieving their political goals. At the state level, most judges are elected, a practice that began with the 1846 New York State constitution in an effort to strengthen judicial independence by limiting the power of the governor to appoint his confederates. But there are obvious problems with elected judiciaries, especially in an era of deregulated campaign finance. Instead, many states have moved to forms of “commission” appointment. New Jersey operates under an informal rule that only four of its seven justices can come from a single political party (though Chris Christie tried to violate it). The new Democratic governor, Phil Murphy, recently reappointed one of Christie’s unsuccessful nominees when a “Republican seat” became open. Enshrining such a requirement in the Constitution itself could work to defuse tensions at the national level as well.

Finally, we should require a greater diversity of judges. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously wrote that the life of the law “is not logic” but, rather, “experience.” We should be concerned that the current experience of all of the justices is so remarkably narrow. Every single member of the current Court attended either the Harvard or Yale Law Schools (though Justice Ginsburg wound up receiving her degree from Columbia). There is also a distinct East Coast tilt, with three members originally from New York City alone. This is a stunningly large country, with different problems arising in different areas. Anyone who lives in the West is likely to be aware of the vital problems raised by water and its potential scarcity. But of the current justices only Neil Gorsuch and Stephen Breyer were born west of the Mississippi. The Tennessee Constitution requires that its nine justices be chosen equally from the three parts of the state. Wisdom is not concentrated in one region, as a truly representative Supreme Court would reflect.

Incredibly, the present Court is also absent of anyone who has ever run for, let alone held, elective office. Nor is there any justice who ever served on a state court. None since Thurgood Marshall has had the experience of visiting a client in jail, possibly facing a capital murder trial. The Belgian constitution requires that several of its members must have served in the national parliament. There is no reason our Constitution shouldn’t be rewritten to include similar stipulations.
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Forum: What's the Matter With the Supreme Court? (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 OP
All good ideas PJMcK Dec 2018 #1
I personally feel the existing 2 term / 10 year max on the President should apply... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #3
Would you want to apply that 18 year term limit to today's Court? onenote Dec 2018 #8
Not really PJMcK Dec 2018 #9
I don't believe our SCOTUS justices should be elected FakeNoose Dec 2018 #2
I agree, SCOTUS justices should not be elected discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #5
Briefly......... DFW Dec 2018 #4
What is the best way to correct the problem? discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #6
Medium term, since we're never going to get ANY kind of constitutional amendment through DFW Jan 2019 #10
Anything that gets people voting... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2019 #11
What an odd bunch of suggestions from someone concerned about the court's politicization onenote Dec 2018 #7

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
1. All good ideas
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 09:37 AM
Dec 2018

Especially the 18-year term limit.

However, in today's political climate, good luck drafting a Constitutional Amendment let alone getting through the States' legislatures.

This exemplifies how dysfunctional our governments have become.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,476 posts)
3. I personally feel the existing 2 term / 10 year max on the President should apply...
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 10:40 AM
Dec 2018

...to the Supreme Court and both Houses of Congress.

onenote

(42,590 posts)
8. Would you want to apply that 18 year term limit to today's Court?
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 02:21 PM
Dec 2018

Three Justices would be forced off: Thomas, Ginsburg and Breyer. And here's what you'd end up with:

Roberts (until Sept. 2023)
Alito (until Jan. 2024)
Gorsuch (until April 2035)
Kavanaugh (until Oct. 2036)
Three more Trump nominees confirmed in 2019 with terms lasting until 2037

Sotomayor (until August 2027)
Kagan (until August 2028)

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
9. Not really
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 04:01 PM
Dec 2018

My point was simply that a Constitutional Amendment would be needed to actuate such a change and that will not happen any time soon.

FakeNoose

(32,589 posts)
2. I don't believe our SCOTUS justices should be elected
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 09:47 AM
Dec 2018

... however the current process of Presidential appointment (with Senate approval) leaves a lot to be desired. The RWNJs have used everything at their disposal to game the system, so we can assume they would do the same if the justices were to be elected rather than appointed. The subject of mandatory retirement age is something the rightwingers refused to discuss as long as Justice Scalia was alive. But now he's gone so they're all salivating at the idea of forcing RBG out because of her age.

Why can't we ask the justices to take a mental acuity test every couple of years? As long as they can pass the test they keep their seat on the bench. If they can't pass it, maybe it's time to retire. Every state requires people to pass tests to get their drivers license, including a basic vision test. In order to be licensed to practice medicine, law, accounting, and many other professional fields, people pass rigorous examinations. Professional men and women are expected to maintain standards and refresh their knowledge throughout their careers. I don't understand why we give the SCOTUS justices a life-time pass on that.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,476 posts)
5. I agree, SCOTUS justices should not be elected
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 12:04 PM
Dec 2018

I also agree with Levinson that the court is tilted to the Northeast.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
4. Briefly.........
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 11:42 AM
Dec 2018

Kavanaugh-Thomas-Alito-Gorsuch-Roberts.

THAT'S what tha matter with the Supreme Court is.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
10. Medium term, since we're never going to get ANY kind of constitutional amendment through
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 10:04 AM
Jan 2019

Not with three quarters of the States voting the way they do these days, anyway.

However there IS something that can be done without a constitutional amendment. It needs careful wording and a meticulously thought-out presentation so the radical right can't attack it on their phony "patriotic" grounds (since we will have seized that from them to begin with): pass a law in Congress (we need the Senate first) declaring that if you are a U.S. citizen, you have the right to vote. Period. The moment you turn 18, you get your slip in the mail and entry into a national and local data base saying you are alive, you are a US citizen, and therefore you are automatically registered to vote. No one can drag you to the polls (or to vote early), but no one can deny your right, either. Denial of voting rights becomes a felony with a mandatory 10 year jail sentence.

Sooner or later, that will get us the Senators we need to block future Kavanaughs and permit us more RBGs, Sotomayors, Kagans, Breyers, etc. Without denial of voting rights, who do you think, for example, would be sworn in as Governor of Georgia? Hint--the new governor's name would have more than 4 letters.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,476 posts)
11. Anything that gets people voting...
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 11:21 AM
Jan 2019

...more people voting...is a great idea!

So are they registered independent until they select a party?

onenote

(42,590 posts)
7. What an odd bunch of suggestions from someone concerned about the court's politicization
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 01:54 PM
Dec 2018

Almost every one of the proposals would politicize the Court further. Requiring that justices be politicians couldn't be a worse idea.

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