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kentuck

(111,078 posts)
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:13 PM Aug 2012

Does it matter to you what taxes Mitt Romney paid?


Or do you agree with those folks, like Romney, that there are more important issues to be concerned about?

Does it really have any bearing on what type of country we will have for the next four years or in the future?

Is it just a simple distraction??
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Does it matter to you what taxes Mitt Romney paid? (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2012 OP
yes it does. onethatcares Aug 2012 #1
Damn right it matters. broiles Aug 2012 #2
If I learn that he paid 75% or more in taxes for each of the last 10 years I'll consider him. Scuba Aug 2012 #3
How the heck does 1KansasDem Aug 2012 #32
Patriotism. Scuba Aug 2012 #36
I am the interviewer, he is the interviewee. He wants to run my country and as a citizen of monmouth Aug 2012 #4
+10,000 smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #24
Yes, it does matter. Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #5
I am in complete agreement with you. a la izquierda Aug 2012 #8
Not really, it is more bothersome to me that it has become a tradition to release the treestar Aug 2012 #6
Character and honesty russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #7
I want him to compare his taxes to his proposed tax plan. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #9
There are bigger issues regarding the tax forms than only the amount of tax paid Tx4obama Aug 2012 #10
he doesn't care about tax cheats TheFarseer Aug 2012 #11
I agree with you. kentuck Aug 2012 #18
Yes and Yes chowder66 Aug 2012 #12
Hell Yes It Does !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #13
Yes, it matters to me. The super rich are not paying any taxes and they want to steal our taxes. yardwork Aug 2012 #14
Hiding. It's not what he shows, it what he hides. It's about transparency. Gregorian Aug 2012 #15
It absolutely matters. It's a potential National Security matter. Zen Democrat Aug 2012 #16
To me, no. However.... jberryhill Aug 2012 #17
His WHOLE focus has been on how to give back the LEAST possible. annabanana Aug 2012 #19
It's very sad if that is the best the Republican Party has to offer... kentuck Aug 2012 #20
Betcha' he paid his taxes ... IggleDoer Aug 2012 #21
Yes, because it shows the problems with the tax system nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #22
YES FirstLight Aug 2012 #23
No, It really doesn't matter much 1KansasDem Aug 2012 #25
Since it takes 3 years of tax returns to get a home loan Odd Won Out Aug 2012 #26
For a guy trying to help set fiscal policy? reflection Aug 2012 #27
Well i think the reason it matters the most is because he comes out and says ejpoeta Aug 2012 #28
We all deserve to see them Politicalboi Aug 2012 #29
Yes because if he's getting away with paying little or none LiberalEsto Aug 2012 #30
It's relevant to his eligibility to be president. Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #31
Yes. He's not above every other President who's released several years. pnwmom Aug 2012 #33
Well according to some myth somewhere we're all supposed to be equal in this country lunatica Aug 2012 #34
Perpetuates authoritarian mode government noise Aug 2012 #35
Yes it matters. djean111 Aug 2012 #37
It does matter..muchly. Someone who wants to run this country, should be able to shraby Aug 2012 #38
Yes, because it gives an indication as to his basic ideology. GaYellowDawg Aug 2012 #39
Not in the least...its not like I was going to vote for him for any reason ProgressiveProfessor Aug 2012 #40
What if...? kentuck Aug 2012 #41
Tax return may or may not show that ProgressiveProfessor Aug 2012 #42
He's had 5 years to clean up his finances. The fact that he couldn't do this proves he's a moron. reformist2 Aug 2012 #43
no, definitely not quinnox Aug 2012 #44
His taxes are part of his business back ground and that makes it important to me. jwirr Aug 2012 #45
the President & Vice President both released 12 years of tax returns spanone Aug 2012 #46
Its an illustrative non-troversy. D23MIURG23 Aug 2012 #47

onethatcares

(16,165 posts)
1. yes it does.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:17 PM
Aug 2012

mainly because for 45 years I've had skin in the game and to let someone with great wealth get into the highest
office in the land without having a bit of the same skin in the game pisses me off to no end.

broiles

(1,367 posts)
2. Damn right it matters.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:17 PM
Aug 2012

If people who can afford it are not paying anywhere close to their fair share, they are harming our country and should not be allowed to make the decisions. Plus it gives insight into his character and patriotism.

monmouth

(21,078 posts)
4. I am the interviewer, he is the interviewee. He wants to run my country and as a citizen of
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:19 PM
Aug 2012

this country I have requested certain paperwork to verify and help me decide if he is fit, honest and above-board. I need to be aware of facts relative to his character and his ability to work and compromise with other governments/nations. So far, he has not complied with all of the requested paper work, did not show well on his trip to Europe and has an enormous attitude problem. I doubt he would be a good fit. Employment denied....

Arkansas Granny

(31,514 posts)
5. Yes, it does matter.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:19 PM
Aug 2012

I also happen to think that there is more information in those returns besides his tax rate that Mitt doesn't want us to know.

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
8. I am in complete agreement with you.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:22 PM
Aug 2012

Something isn't right....
and it's not just that average Joes pay more of a percentage than he does.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
6. Not really, it is more bothersome to me that it has become a tradition to release the
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:20 PM
Aug 2012

returns and he won't.

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
7. Character and honesty
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:22 PM
Aug 2012

are the concerns. Maybe after the rejection, I mean election, someone will show us where this jerk has been hiding his money.
It's not simple and not a distraction. It is central to his credibility. (he has none).

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
9. I want him to compare his taxes to his proposed tax plan.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:22 PM
Aug 2012

He says taxes are unfair to the rich. So prove it.

Show us how unfair your tax situation is and why it needs to be improved.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
10. There are bigger issues regarding the tax forms than only the amount of tax paid
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:23 PM
Aug 2012

1) Did Romney take advantage of the Amnesty program in 2009 in order to avoid a felony?

2) Did Romney commit a felony by listing his residence in one state while voting in other?

3) Are there other things in there that he is hiding from the American public?

TheFarseer

(9,321 posts)
11. he doesn't care about tax cheats
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:23 PM
Aug 2012

do you want someone that doesn't care about enforcing tax law as president? Someone who thinks taxes are just for the peasants? Someone who thinks the rich need more tricks with which to not pay taxes? That's not what I want for my president!

kentuck

(111,078 posts)
18. I agree with you.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:39 PM
Aug 2012

I was being facetious in the OP. I think it matters very much. I think it may be a national security issue, as someone down the page noted.

chowder66

(9,067 posts)
12. Yes and Yes
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:24 PM
Aug 2012

Yes it matters. It matters that a wealthy man is refusing to follow precedent of previous candidates, it matters because he asks us to "trust him", it matters because he has said himself it will open him up to attacks (why?), it matters because he thinks those who want him to follow the standard are "small minded", it matters because he still has not released the full details of a single return. It matters because he has to "retroactively file", it matters because he is a proven liar.

And Yes...It also is a distraction that he is perpetuating by withholding them.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
14. Yes, it matters to me. The super rich are not paying any taxes and they want to steal our taxes.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:26 PM
Aug 2012

Romney and his tax cheating ways is absolutely symptomatic of everything that is wrong with this country. The super rich are stealing us blind and they pay nothing.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
15. Hiding. It's not what he shows, it what he hides. It's about transparency.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:27 PM
Aug 2012

Is he legit, or is he a crook. That's the question. After all, we're only weeding out the chaff for what is the most important job on the planet.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
16. It absolutely matters. It's a potential National Security matter.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:28 PM
Aug 2012

And the foreign accounts indicate tax evasion.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. To me, no. However....
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:34 PM
Aug 2012

...character matters.

You know, when Mr. Obama began his presidential campaign, the issues and policies that were his focus had little to do with the situation he confronted immediately upon taking office.

I know there are those who insist that the rational way to select a candidate is to look at their respective positions on policies and issues, and to determine which appears to have the most appropriate agenda.

But that doesn't cover the fact that you are going to have to trust this person to deal with unexpected circumstances and challenges.

Disclosing personal finances is very much a character issue. How has this person gotten to where they are and what does it tell us about their priorities and interests? Does this person play by the same set of rules as I do?

As with Paul Ryan, I want to know if this guy has been betting against America. I want to know, when everyone else was taking a loss, where did he get his gains?

My mind is, of course, made up. But if it weren't, I would definitely see Romney's evasiveness as red flag, and not just for what it tells us about his income, losses, and so on, but what it tells us about his character and respect toward the fairmindedness of the bulk of the electorate.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
19. His WHOLE focus has been on how to give back the LEAST possible.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:44 PM
Aug 2012

That is all he knows. (That and how to squeeze pension funds for profit) YES I think it matters.

kentuck

(111,078 posts)
20. It's very sad if that is the best the Republican Party has to offer...
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:48 PM
Aug 2012

Definitely not a patriot and definitely a lack of character for a person running for the highest office in the world.

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
23. YES
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:53 PM
Aug 2012

not so much the what or how much of it ...but the sneaky tax dodges and shelters, the possibility that he is perjuring himself/or committing a felony by saying he wasn't part of Bain on his FEC filing, and then signed the SEC filings and 'retroactively' retired...which is it? I personally would like to see how many felonies are in those pages....

that is the sticky point for me, the fact that he is obviously trying to hide something. Not to mention a dangerous precedent as someone posted here earlier today... this is an indication of CHARACTER, and Romney needs to cough up or get out.

1KansasDem

(251 posts)
25. No, It really doesn't matter much
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:55 PM
Aug 2012

to me. There are much bigger issues, that this election should be about.
BUT..If we can score a couple of political points...GO FOR IT!!!

Odd Won Out

(85 posts)
26. Since it takes 3 years of tax returns to get a home loan
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:56 PM
Aug 2012

of course it it relevant to ask for at least 5 years to be the President.

Ms Romney is under the illusion that she is royalty.

Mittens just never had the feeling that he isn't above any rules or ethics.

They are Thurstan Howell the 3rd and Lovie from Gilligans Island.

ejpoeta

(8,933 posts)
28. Well i think the reason it matters the most is because he comes out and says
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:59 PM
Aug 2012

i paid x amount. trust me! when in fact he has done that before and has been proven to have lied. so therefore you can not just trust him.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
29. We all deserve to see them
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:01 PM
Aug 2012

But what's more important is can he go to jail for what he's been doing? Can he be blackmailed? Would a person who is having an affair be eligible? Yes they would legally, but not morally, so they probably wouldn't get elected.

Rmoney's taxes should be looked at as affairs. He shouldn't be nominated till he proves himself.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
30. Yes because if he's getting away with paying little or none
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:01 PM
Aug 2012

then I want EVERYONE to get the tax rate he's got.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
31. It's relevant to his eligibility to be president.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:01 PM
Aug 2012

He's running for president on his business credential. His personal ability as a business man.

As such:

If he's been circumventing tax laws to assure a lower rate. He's should not be considered eligible.

If he's in bed financially with unfriendly foreign interest he should not be eligible.

If, in the course of his business dealings, he's been promoting individual wealth over the good of the American worker, he should not be eligible.

That's how I see it. He's the one touting his business experience as making him a superior candidate. He needs to prove to the voters what he's talking about, and stop expecting us to believe he's honest without proof.

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
33. Yes. He's not above every other President who's released several years.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:02 PM
Aug 2012

He just thinks he is.

(McCain doesn't count because he was never elected.)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
34. Well according to some myth somewhere we're all supposed to be equal in this country
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:03 PM
Aug 2012

But it seems some people are more equal than others.

noise

(2,392 posts)
35. Perpetuates authoritarian mode government
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:04 PM
Aug 2012

whereby trust in certain people is sufficient instead of one standard for all.

There is a misleading notion in the US that powerful, wealthy people are somehow inherently trustworthy.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
37. Yes it matters.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 07:13 PM
Aug 2012

It is a matter of character, of support for the country - and now, since Romney says he has paid "taxes", not "income taxes",
it pisses me off that avoiding federal tax is glorified for the wealthy, but when poorer people, who pay sales tax, gasoline tax, real estate tax, whatever, make so little money that they LEGALLY (just like Romney) pay no federal taxes - they are reviled by the righties.
So - yes, the tax thing is a reflection of Romney on a couple of levels.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
38. It does matter..muchly. Someone who wants to run this country, should be able to
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:09 PM
Aug 2012

show that he has contributed to it in the form of taxes he should rightfully pay and that it is a truthful accounting of what he owes.
8-10 years of tax returns should give the people he's asking to vote for him a pretty good idea of how he has accounted for himself. Anything less is tantamount to lying if he doesn't show he voters what he paid and what he should have paid.
He has a history of lying not just now and then but all the time over things he doesn't even need to lie about..that has a name and I just can't bring myself to believe what he says about the tax rate he paid.

GaYellowDawg

(4,446 posts)
39. Yes, because it gives an indication as to his basic ideology.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:11 PM
Aug 2012

Do we trust part of the 1% who is all about getting out from under taxes to fix a country that has been brought to its knees by wealth redistribution upwards? You bet your ass it's relevant. It couldn't be more relevant.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
40. Not in the least...its not like I was going to vote for him for any reason
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:14 PM
Aug 2012

I also am yet to talk to anyone outside those who are left and politically active that care about them. IME, Joe Sixpack does not seem to give a rip

kentuck

(111,078 posts)
41. What if...?
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:42 PM
Aug 2012

He has invested some of his money in the defense industries of Iran or China?? Would that make a difference? Of course, we don't know for sure what he has done with his fortune.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
44. no, definitely not
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 09:12 PM
Aug 2012

I already know the guy is mega rich, and has high priced tax experts working for him who know how to finagle the system with fancy tricks.

As far as scoring political points, ok, sure, that makes sense from a campaign strategy perspective, but it doesn't mean I personally am interested in such minutia and triviality. It does show how boring and bland and like a boy scout Romney is as a person, that the biggest dirt and controversy they can find about him is his taxes. I usually hide all the threads on DU concerning the matter, mainly out of boredom.

spanone

(135,816 posts)
46. the President & Vice President both released 12 years of tax returns
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 09:15 PM
Aug 2012

no one has used it against them....so what has he done?

D23MIURG23

(2,848 posts)
47. Its an illustrative non-troversy.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 05:02 PM
Aug 2012

In and of itself it means little, but it speaks volumes to Rmoney's personal integrity and his patriotism. There is also a useful subtext about how the richest people in the country are shirking their obligations, and leaving the rest of us to pay the price of a functioning society.

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