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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes it matter to you what taxes Mitt Romney paid?
Or do you agree with those folks, like Romney, that there are more important issues to be concerned about?
Does it really have any bearing on what type of country we will have for the next four years or in the future?
Is it just a simple distraction??
onethatcares
(16,165 posts)mainly because for 45 years I've had skin in the game and to let someone with great wealth get into the highest
office in the land without having a bit of the same skin in the game pisses me off to no end.
broiles
(1,367 posts)If people who can afford it are not paying anywhere close to their fair share, they are harming our country and should not be allowed to make the decisions. Plus it gives insight into his character and patriotism.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)1KansasDem
(251 posts)ANYONE pay 75% in federal income taxes?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)monmouth
(21,078 posts)this country I have requested certain paperwork to verify and help me decide if he is fit, honest and above-board. I need to be aware of facts relative to his character and his ability to work and compromise with other governments/nations. So far, he has not complied with all of the requested paper work, did not show well on his trip to Europe and has an enormous attitude problem. I doubt he would be a good fit. Employment denied....
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Good post.
Arkansas Granny
(31,514 posts)I also happen to think that there is more information in those returns besides his tax rate that Mitt doesn't want us to know.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Something isn't right....
and it's not just that average Joes pay more of a percentage than he does.
treestar
(82,383 posts)returns and he won't.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)are the concerns. Maybe after the rejection, I mean election, someone will show us where this jerk has been hiding his money.
It's not simple and not a distraction. It is central to his credibility. (he has none).
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)He says taxes are unfair to the rich. So prove it.
Show us how unfair your tax situation is and why it needs to be improved.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)1) Did Romney take advantage of the Amnesty program in 2009 in order to avoid a felony?
2) Did Romney commit a felony by listing his residence in one state while voting in other?
3) Are there other things in there that he is hiding from the American public?
TheFarseer
(9,321 posts)do you want someone that doesn't care about enforcing tax law as president? Someone who thinks taxes are just for the peasants? Someone who thinks the rich need more tricks with which to not pay taxes? That's not what I want for my president!
kentuck
(111,078 posts)I was being facetious in the OP. I think it matters very much. I think it may be a national security issue, as someone down the page noted.
chowder66
(9,067 posts)Yes it matters. It matters that a wealthy man is refusing to follow precedent of previous candidates, it matters because he asks us to "trust him", it matters because he has said himself it will open him up to attacks (why?), it matters because he thinks those who want him to follow the standard are "small minded", it matters because he still has not released the full details of a single return. It matters because he has to "retroactively file", it matters because he is a proven liar.
And Yes...It also is a distraction that he is perpetuating by withholding them.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Show 'em Mitt !
& Rec !!!
yardwork
(61,588 posts)Romney and his tax cheating ways is absolutely symptomatic of everything that is wrong with this country. The super rich are stealing us blind and they pay nothing.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Is he legit, or is he a crook. That's the question. After all, we're only weeding out the chaff for what is the most important job on the planet.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)And the foreign accounts indicate tax evasion.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...character matters.
You know, when Mr. Obama began his presidential campaign, the issues and policies that were his focus had little to do with the situation he confronted immediately upon taking office.
I know there are those who insist that the rational way to select a candidate is to look at their respective positions on policies and issues, and to determine which appears to have the most appropriate agenda.
But that doesn't cover the fact that you are going to have to trust this person to deal with unexpected circumstances and challenges.
Disclosing personal finances is very much a character issue. How has this person gotten to where they are and what does it tell us about their priorities and interests? Does this person play by the same set of rules as I do?
As with Paul Ryan, I want to know if this guy has been betting against America. I want to know, when everyone else was taking a loss, where did he get his gains?
My mind is, of course, made up. But if it weren't, I would definitely see Romney's evasiveness as red flag, and not just for what it tells us about his income, losses, and so on, but what it tells us about his character and respect toward the fairmindedness of the bulk of the electorate.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)That is all he knows. (That and how to squeeze pension funds for profit) YES I think it matters.
kentuck
(111,078 posts)Definitely not a patriot and definitely a lack of character for a person running for the highest office in the world.
IggleDoer
(1,186 posts)... All of them
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That is why it matters, at a policy level.
FirstLight
(13,360 posts)not so much the what or how much of it ...but the sneaky tax dodges and shelters, the possibility that he is perjuring himself/or committing a felony by saying he wasn't part of Bain on his FEC filing, and then signed the SEC filings and 'retroactively' retired...which is it? I personally would like to see how many felonies are in those pages....
that is the sticky point for me, the fact that he is obviously trying to hide something. Not to mention a dangerous precedent as someone posted here earlier today... this is an indication of CHARACTER, and Romney needs to cough up or get out.
1KansasDem
(251 posts)to me. There are much bigger issues, that this election should be about.
BUT..If we can score a couple of political points...GO FOR IT!!!
Odd Won Out
(85 posts)of course it it relevant to ask for at least 5 years to be the President.
Ms Romney is under the illusion that she is royalty.
Mittens just never had the feeling that he isn't above any rules or ethics.
They are Thurstan Howell the 3rd and Lovie from Gilligans Island.
reflection
(6,286 posts)You're damn skippy it matters.
ejpoeta
(8,933 posts)i paid x amount. trust me! when in fact he has done that before and has been proven to have lied. so therefore you can not just trust him.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)But what's more important is can he go to jail for what he's been doing? Can he be blackmailed? Would a person who is having an affair be eligible? Yes they would legally, but not morally, so they probably wouldn't get elected.
Rmoney's taxes should be looked at as affairs. He shouldn't be nominated till he proves himself.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)then I want EVERYONE to get the tax rate he's got.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)He's running for president on his business credential. His personal ability as a business man.
As such:
If he's been circumventing tax laws to assure a lower rate. He's should not be considered eligible.
If he's in bed financially with unfriendly foreign interest he should not be eligible.
If, in the course of his business dealings, he's been promoting individual wealth over the good of the American worker, he should not be eligible.
That's how I see it. He's the one touting his business experience as making him a superior candidate. He needs to prove to the voters what he's talking about, and stop expecting us to believe he's honest without proof.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)He just thinks he is.
(McCain doesn't count because he was never elected.)
lunatica
(53,410 posts)But it seems some people are more equal than others.
noise
(2,392 posts)whereby trust in certain people is sufficient instead of one standard for all.
There is a misleading notion in the US that powerful, wealthy people are somehow inherently trustworthy.
djean111
(14,255 posts)It is a matter of character, of support for the country - and now, since Romney says he has paid "taxes", not "income taxes",
it pisses me off that avoiding federal tax is glorified for the wealthy, but when poorer people, who pay sales tax, gasoline tax, real estate tax, whatever, make so little money that they LEGALLY (just like Romney) pay no federal taxes - they are reviled by the righties.
So - yes, the tax thing is a reflection of Romney on a couple of levels.
shraby
(21,946 posts)show that he has contributed to it in the form of taxes he should rightfully pay and that it is a truthful accounting of what he owes.
8-10 years of tax returns should give the people he's asking to vote for him a pretty good idea of how he has accounted for himself. Anything less is tantamount to lying if he doesn't show he voters what he paid and what he should have paid.
He has a history of lying not just now and then but all the time over things he doesn't even need to lie about..that has a name and I just can't bring myself to believe what he says about the tax rate he paid.
GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)Do we trust part of the 1% who is all about getting out from under taxes to fix a country that has been brought to its knees by wealth redistribution upwards? You bet your ass it's relevant. It couldn't be more relevant.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)I also am yet to talk to anyone outside those who are left and politically active that care about them. IME, Joe Sixpack does not seem to give a rip
kentuck
(111,078 posts)He has invested some of his money in the defense industries of Iran or China?? Would that make a difference? Of course, we don't know for sure what he has done with his fortune.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Depends how it was done.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)I already know the guy is mega rich, and has high priced tax experts working for him who know how to finagle the system with fancy tricks.
As far as scoring political points, ok, sure, that makes sense from a campaign strategy perspective, but it doesn't mean I personally am interested in such minutia and triviality. It does show how boring and bland and like a boy scout Romney is as a person, that the biggest dirt and controversy they can find about him is his taxes. I usually hide all the threads on DU concerning the matter, mainly out of boredom.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)spanone
(135,816 posts)no one has used it against them....so what has he done?
D23MIURG23
(2,848 posts)In and of itself it means little, but it speaks volumes to Rmoney's personal integrity and his patriotism. There is also a useful subtext about how the richest people in the country are shirking their obligations, and leaving the rest of us to pay the price of a functioning society.