Venn Diagram: Rape v Forcible Rape

[Ruby the Liberal]

Courtesy of https://twitter.com/_dumpling

[Pachamama]

1. Well said....

[patrice]

2. Now there's a Venn diagram that has the proportions of overlap right!!!

[Comrade Grumpy]

3. That is a silly Venn diagram.

Think:

Sex with a sleeping or intoxicated person.

Sex with a minor.

Both of those are rape, but do not necessarily involve force.

[Brickbat]

4. "Forcible rape" is a non-legal term that is meant to muddy the waters. Rape is rape.

Sometimes rape is violent, and sometimes it's not.

[Ruby the Liberal]

5. So sex with children or incoherent adults is "consensual" in your world?

Interesting.

[Comrade Grumpy]

7. No, but it's not necessarily forcible in the common meaning of the term.

Interesting that you would take that reading from my post.

Teenage girls sometimes have sex with adult men of their own free will. If the men get caught doing that, they are charged with rape. No use of force involved.

Ditto for an impaired or unconscious victim. No force involved because the victim is unable to resist. But that's rape, too.

That's why I called that a silly Venn diagram.

[lunatica]

9. Wouldn't the legal term for violent rape be aggravated assault?

rape is rape. Then it gets differentiated on whether it's Statutory, Aggravated Assault, etc.

Forcible isn't a legal term applied to rape yet. Paul Ryan made that term up.

[NYC Liberal]

12. The point is: rape is rape.

[Ruby the Liberal]

13. Apparently not with children.

[11 Bravo]

6. Out-fucking-standing! Pretty much says it all.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Very nicely done.

[AngryAmish]

10. Someone never heard of rape-rape

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[JDPriestly]

11. That diagram works for alleged rape, but if you were to make

a diagram of rape that could be proved, it would look very different.

The problem isn't whether the victim feels she has been raped. The problem is whether the prosecutor can possibly get the evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the victim was raped.

Sex with a minor can probably be verified by medical examination. But sex with a sexually active adult with whom the defendant had consensual sex within a few hours before the alleged rape would generally be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt unless the rapist confesses.