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Is this the Democratic Underground? (Original Post) mia Feb 2019 OP
AFAIC, it's Democratic Underground! Cha Feb 2019 #1
You bet your sweet bippy MontanaMama Feb 2019 #2
Ah, the old "I'm Lefter Than You Area" thing. Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #3
"Not worth getting into."? mia Feb 2019 #7
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #9
You have to think of it as coalition politics many a good man Feb 2019 #10
Respect fully, the question was about DU, not about the larger body politic Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #11
Exactly Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #18
Yeah. Sounds like an orthodoxy check. Aristus Feb 2019 #31
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #4
From The Terms of Service.... irisblue Feb 2019 #5
The very next paragraph, however, shifts the emphasis to progressive values Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #21
Actually, this is the 50 Shades of Democrats democraticunderground.com. democratisphere Feb 2019 #6
With a plethora, disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #12
Correct! Everything to the right of MEEEEEEE!! is red. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #14
Real Dems... disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #15
& Red could reference.. disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #16
No, no, not THAT red! The OTHER red! JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #17
It's not the Independent Underground either. quickesst Feb 2019 #8
Thank heaven for that! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #23
I know quickesst Feb 2019 #29
I support Bernie Sanders 100% RandiFan1290 Feb 2019 #13
Me too. The Truth Is Here Feb 2019 #22
Don't be scared to say it. Byronic Feb 2019 #24
I'll stand by Bernie too. Joe941 Feb 2019 #33
Yes. What's your point? JHB Feb 2019 #19
:) True enough to be funny for decades, but Hortensis Feb 2019 #28
+1 Me. Feb 2019 #35
With very few exceptions all elected Democratic officeholders across this land are center-left pecosbob Feb 2019 #20
... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #25
Yes, data show Democrats average very solidly liberal overall, Hortensis Feb 2019 #30
Great post Gothmog Feb 2019 #32
Not A "Dumb Ass" Answer At All Me. Feb 2019 #34
We don't let ourselves be rebranded. MineralMan Feb 2019 #26
Perhaps "Democratic Overton Window Underground" would be more accurate? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2019 #27

Stinky The Clown

(67,792 posts)
3. Ah, the old "I'm Lefter Than You Area" thing.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:20 AM
Feb 2019

L . . . . . Socialist . . . . . Progressive . . . . . Liberal . . . .Democrat . . . . Independent . . . . all the way to . . . . . R

Not sure I got that right. Is Socialist more lefter than progressive or the other way around. I can never follow the self-branding du jour.

This is a permadebate that waxes and wanes for no apparent reason. Not worth getting into.

many a good man

(5,997 posts)
10. You have to think of it as coalition politics
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:03 AM
Feb 2019

Unlike most other democracies we are a two party state. Dems are a coalition of left of center and Republicans a coalition of right of center groups.

If we were a parliamentary democracy like most European nations we would have several leftist parties: Communist, socialist, progressive, liberal and centrist. Once elected we'd form a left of center coalition. Some years center left would ally with center right.

Infighting is inherent in two party systems as each group struggles for preeminence. It is natural and expected but if we don't come together at the end we lose when the other side is more cohesive.

Stinky The Clown

(67,792 posts)
11. Respect fully, the question was about DU, not about the larger body politic
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:09 AM
Feb 2019

While there is some legitimacy to the debate here on DU in my opinion it has more often been political masturbation or dick waving.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
18. Exactly
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:35 AM
Feb 2019

And of course this is relevant to DU because there are at least the makings of two or three potential center left parties that all exist within the American Democratic Party. With winner take all elections it would be suicidal for them to compete against each other in general elections, hence a big tent Democratic Party.

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
31. Yeah. Sounds like an orthodoxy check.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:24 PM
Feb 2019

The kind of thing that allows people to be smug when their 'protest' vote throws the election to whoever is running against the Democratic/Liberal/Progressive candidate.

"Yeah, well, at least I didn't vote for the Wall-Street-supporting, speaking tour-making, whatever else I can think of that proves my 'orthodoxy', nonsense, blah-blah-blah..."



Why should we trust anyone who is obviously happier when the repuke candidate wins?

Response to mia (Original post)

irisblue

(32,969 posts)
5. From The Terms of Service....
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:30 AM
Feb 2019

Core principles
Democratic Underground is an online community for friendly, politically liberal people who understand the importance of working together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government.

A lot more in the rest of the TOS.

Ms. Toad

(34,066 posts)
21. The very next paragraph, however, shifts the emphasis to progressive values
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:53 AM
Feb 2019
Members are not expected to hold across-the-board progressive opinions on every single issue, but we do expect members to be generally progressive and to support Democrats at election time -- remember that and respect it when posting. Harsh, divisive, partisan attacks against Democrats or progressive values (from the right or the left) are not welcome here.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
14. Correct! Everything to the right of MEEEEEEE!! is red.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:27 AM
Feb 2019

Because my views are PERFECT!!!11!

Not too conservative, not too progressive, but JUST RIGHT!!!11!

You disagree? I can't hear you. LALALALALALALA!

With that out of the way, let's elect DEMs.

 

The Truth Is Here

(354 posts)
22. Me too.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:59 AM
Feb 2019

But im too scared to say it these days. The man has principles and ideas needed. We need a 2nd Bill of Rights that FDR set forth but never got done.

Bernie has my full and undivided support if he chooses to run again in 2020.

Byronic

(504 posts)
24. Don't be scared to say it.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:24 AM
Feb 2019

Although I do know what you mean.

I quite like Tulsi Gabbard

That's a pretty lonely view to have at the moment, but I'm hoping things pick up in future.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
19. Yes. What's your point?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:39 AM
Feb 2019
I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.

--Will Rogers

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. :) True enough to be funny for decades, but
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:56 AM
Feb 2019

once the rabidly oppositional southern conservative bloc finally fled to the GOP, it lost its truth. We still have some conservatives, but much more moderate and less powerful.

It really seems to me that, considering that our party contains representatives of every sector of America that isn't specifically white supremacist, nationalist, authoritarian, or hard-core conservative, we're amazingly organized and cohesive. Of course, there's nothing like today's very dangerous external threats to make people need to pull together.

pecosbob

(7,538 posts)
20. With very few exceptions all elected Democratic officeholders across this land are center-left
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:18 AM
Feb 2019

To describe them as anything else is dishonest or just dumb. The word progressive simply doesn't have any clearly defined meaning so it's of absolutely no use to describe a candidate's policy preference. Warren is a centrist (does anyone here even have a clue what her foreign policy would be? I don't). Harris is a centrist (c'mon folks...she was a freaking prosecutor for chrissake). Brown is probably further to the left than either Warren or Harris given his long support for unions. Sanders is I don't know what...a half-baked social democrat with his hand in the pockets of the gunmakers? He simply knows which buttons to push to make a few half-wits on the left listen to him.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Yes, data show Democrats average very solidly liberal overall,
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:16 PM
Feb 2019

with "outliers" right and left still within liberal range. Warren's voting record show her among those in our toward-the right-edge fringe, but we all know she's a major force for progressive government. Govtrackus.com rated Kamala Harris as the third most liberal senator in 2018; a progressive group rated her among the most progressive also.

Which IS a real thing. Progressivism is the use of government (and other institutions) to accomplish advances and solve problems too big for individual action. Government of, by and for the people is intrinsically progressive. To be liberal in America is to be progressive, but conservatives of either party can and often have been progressive also.

The GOP rabidly opposes progressivism in this era, having adopted the ideological (anti-taxation, wealth-serving) position that government programs are ultimately destructive of national wellbeing. Thus, their gutting and determination to dismantle programs like Social Security and ACA.

Do agree (!) that one zealous subgroup trying to identify themselves as The Only True Progressives is silly, dishonest, and not just without valid meaning, but unfortunately intrinsically divisive. No wonder many of those don't actually know what progressive means. Maintaining this delusion doesn't allow that awareness.


MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
26. We don't let ourselves be rebranded.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:26 AM
Feb 2019

Your post is a good example. Many DUers, like you, are ready to counter such attempts.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,598 posts)
27. Perhaps "Democratic Overton Window Underground" would be more accurate?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:30 AM
Feb 2019

Since the TOS indicate members must support all Dems from AOC and Bernie to Joe Manchin, joe Lieberman, and Zell Miller...

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