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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs this the Democratic Underground?
Progressive Underground?
Socialist Underground?
Why do we continue to let ourselves be rebranded?
Cha
(297,180 posts)MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)its Democratic Underground!
Stinky The Clown
(67,792 posts)L . . . . . Socialist . . . . . Progressive . . . . . Liberal . . . .Democrat . . . . Independent . . . . all the way to . . . . . R
Not sure I got that right. Is Socialist more lefter than progressive or the other way around. I can never follow the self-branding du jour.
This is a permadebate that waxes and wanes for no apparent reason. Not worth getting into.
mia
(8,360 posts)Only if you don't care about winning.
Stinky The Clown
(67,792 posts)many a good man
(5,997 posts)Unlike most other democracies we are a two party state. Dems are a coalition of left of center and Republicans a coalition of right of center groups.
If we were a parliamentary democracy like most European nations we would have several leftist parties: Communist, socialist, progressive, liberal and centrist. Once elected we'd form a left of center coalition. Some years center left would ally with center right.
Infighting is inherent in two party systems as each group struggles for preeminence. It is natural and expected but if we don't come together at the end we lose when the other side is more cohesive.
Stinky The Clown
(67,792 posts)While there is some legitimacy to the debate here on DU in my opinion it has more often been political masturbation or dick waving.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)And of course this is relevant to DU because there are at least the makings of two or three potential center left parties that all exist within the American Democratic Party. With winner take all elections it would be suicidal for them to compete against each other in general elections, hence a big tent Democratic Party.
Aristus
(66,327 posts)The kind of thing that allows people to be smug when their 'protest' vote throws the election to whoever is running against the Democratic/Liberal/Progressive candidate.
"Yeah, well, at least I didn't vote for the Wall-Street-supporting, speaking tour-making, whatever else I can think of that proves my 'orthodoxy', nonsense, blah-blah-blah..."
Why should we trust anyone who is obviously happier when the repuke candidate wins?
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irisblue
(32,969 posts)Core principles
Democratic Underground is an online community for friendly, politically liberal people who understand the importance of working together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government.
A lot more in the rest of the TOS.
Ms. Toad
(34,066 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)of shades of red in it..
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)Because my views are PERFECT!!!11!
Not too conservative, not too progressive, but JUST RIGHT!!!11!
You disagree? I can't hear you. LALALALALALALA!
With that out of the way, let's elect DEMs.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)lol
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)communism, we got a lot of red-baiting going on..
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)And, red-baiting on BOTH hues.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)There is no such critter as a part-time Democrat.
RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)Bring it on!
The Truth Is Here
(354 posts)But im too scared to say it these days. The man has principles and ideas needed. We need a 2nd Bill of Rights that FDR set forth but never got done.
Bernie has my full and undivided support if he chooses to run again in 2020.
Byronic
(504 posts)Although I do know what you mean.
I quite like Tulsi Gabbard
That's a pretty lonely view to have at the moment, but I'm hoping things pick up in future.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)JHB
(37,158 posts)--Will Rogers
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)once the rabidly oppositional southern conservative bloc finally fled to the GOP, it lost its truth. We still have some conservatives, but much more moderate and less powerful.
It really seems to me that, considering that our party contains representatives of every sector of America that isn't specifically white supremacist, nationalist, authoritarian, or hard-core conservative, we're amazingly organized and cohesive. Of course, there's nothing like today's very dangerous external threats to make people need to pull together.
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)To describe them as anything else is dishonest or just dumb. The word progressive simply doesn't have any clearly defined meaning so it's of absolutely no use to describe a candidate's policy preference. Warren is a centrist (does anyone here even have a clue what her foreign policy would be? I don't). Harris is a centrist (c'mon folks...she was a freaking prosecutor for chrissake). Brown is probably further to the left than either Warren or Harris given his long support for unions. Sanders is I don't know what...a half-baked social democrat with his hand in the pockets of the gunmakers? He simply knows which buttons to push to make a few half-wits on the left listen to him.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)with "outliers" right and left still within liberal range. Warren's voting record show her among those in our toward-the right-edge fringe, but we all know she's a major force for progressive government. Govtrackus.com rated Kamala Harris as the third most liberal senator in 2018; a progressive group rated her among the most progressive also.
Which IS a real thing. Progressivism is the use of government (and other institutions) to accomplish advances and solve problems too big for individual action. Government of, by and for the people is intrinsically progressive. To be liberal in America is to be progressive, but conservatives of either party can and often have been progressive also.
The GOP rabidly opposes progressivism in this era, having adopted the ideological (anti-taxation, wealth-serving) position that government programs are ultimately destructive of national wellbeing. Thus, their gutting and determination to dismantle programs like Social Security and ACA.
Do agree (!) that one zealous subgroup trying to identify themselves as The Only True Progressives is silly, dishonest, and not just without valid meaning, but unfortunately intrinsically divisive. No wonder many of those don't actually know what progressive means. Maintaining this delusion doesn't allow that awareness.
Gothmog
(145,152 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Your post is a good example. Many DUers, like you, are ready to counter such attempts.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,598 posts)Since the TOS indicate members must support all Dems from AOC and Bernie to Joe Manchin, joe Lieberman, and Zell Miller...