Will Someone Please Explain To Anti-Choice Idiots That Nobody's Killing Born Babies?

[niyad]

Will Someone Please Explain To Anti-Choice Idiots That Nobody's Killing Born Babies?
Robyn Pennacchia
January 31, 2019 10:43 AM

Yesterday morning, Governor Ralph Northam of Virginia went on a radio show and announced his unequivocal support for a bill that would allow doctors to just straight up murder the perfectly healthy babies of selfish, uncaring, slutty women right after those babies are born. Or, at least, that is what the stupidest people on the entire planet are accusing him of doing.
In reality, Northam -- who is actually a pediatric neurologist, mind you -- was asked whether or not he supported a bill from state Rep. Kathy Tran seeking to loosen some restrictions on third-trimester abortions, including requiring only one physician to sign off on the procedure and allowing them to be performed at a clinic rather than a hospital. He was also asked about the fact that Tran has been accused of advocating for post-birth abortions on perfectly healthy babies -- which, you know, she's not.

In fact, the bill explicitly states:

"measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability."

Taking issue with the part of the bill that would require only one physician to sign off on the procedure, Northam explained what would happen if a mother were to go into labor and give birth to a nonviable infant.
"I wasn't there, Julie, and I certainly can't speak for delegate Tran. But I will tell you that, one, the first thing I would say, this is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians and the mothers and fathers that are involved.
When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician by the way, and it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that's non-viable. So, in this particular example if the mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

So, I think this was really blown out of proportion. But again we want the government not to be involved in these types of decisions. We want the decision to be made by the mothers and their providers. And this is why, Julie, legislators, most of whom are men, by the way, shouldn't be telling a woman what she should or shouldn't be doing with her body."

What he's describing is not an abortion. It is what happens when someone gives birth and the child is not going to survive. This is something that happens all the time in hospitals -- loved ones trying to make a tough decision on whether or not to continue treatment if a patient is not going to live, or is brain dead. But rather than considering, for a moment, the circumstances under which deciding to continue with life-preserving efforts when there is no question that the child cannot survive, people like Curtis Houck of Newsbusters are pretending they don't know what the term "nonviable" means.

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https://www.wonkette.com/will-someone-please-explain-to-anti-choice-idiots-what-nonviable-means . . .

[Iggo]

1. They know. Doesn't matter.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. A big, fat K&R!

[Initech]

3. Yeah... to these idiots, facts don't matter.

So I wouldn't bother. Just ignore them.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. K&R.

[peggysue2]

5. This is what happens whenever . . .

someone defends pro-choice; it's immediately equated with 'murder.' Notice the description of the women involved with these heartbreaking decisions:

. . . selfish, uncaring, slutty women

This is a good portion of the argument because any and every fetus, regardless of the stage or viability, is considered more important than the mother, her health and welfare. Why? Because the woman's fully realized life is discounted and dismissed as selfish, uncaring and slutty.

And yes, note that the argument is talking about 'perfectly healthy babies' as opposed to Northam's actual remarks regarding a fetus with profound deformities and non-viability.

The Pro-Life true believers have evolved into Pro-Suffering ideologues and women haters. As such, they should not be given an inch of consideration. I say that because at one time I believed those with genuine religious objections should be included in the conversation. No more. They've proven themselves to be completely inhumane. The only 'babies' these people care about are in the womb. Once born regardless of medical conditions, mother and child are on their own, told to fend for themselves, pull themselves up by the bootstraps, stop whining.

Cruel hypocrites, all of them.

[niyad]

11. that is why I always refer to them as woman-hating gestational slavers. each

and every anti-choice argument, at its heart, hates women. PERIOD!!!!!! because each and every anti-choice argument, at its heart, says that some THING, or some ONE, is more important than the woman.

[lilactime]

6. They don't care about babies. They only care about controlling women.

[Brawndo]

7. +1 Bingo!

[uponit7771]

8. Explain birth to people who support kidnapping kids for parking offense level tickets? Unnnnnn

... sounds like our heads hitting a brick wall would be more progressive.

[ProudLib72]

9. So do you think they know about Planned Parenthood v Casey?

Or the much more recent Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt?

We don't discuss trimesters anymore. We discuss "viability".

[niyad]

12. pretty sure they neither know, nor care.

[keithbvadu2]

10. Republicans are in favor of killing living babies and have done so.

Republicans are in favor of killing living babies and have done so.

Pro-life is a myth.

The supposed pro-lifers cared naught when the state of Texas (republican gov, republican Prez) deliberately killed living baby Sun Hudson against the mother's wishes because he was an inconvenience to the state.

It is not a matter of life to the supposed pro-lifers.

It is a matter of control.

[niyad]

13. "Days of the Theocracy" Kiristin Lems

Days of the Theocracy

Words and music by Kristin Lems

© 1979, 2005, 2015 Kleine Ding Music (BMI)

First they fight abortion, birth control is next,

Then comes sex if you’re not married, finally, out goes sex!

Put the prayers back in the schools, install "parochiaid,"

Allow for corporal punishment, and then you got it made!

Chorus: We’re going back, back to the good ole days

When men were really men and women knew their place

Back, back a couple of centuries

And welcome back the days of the theocracy!

2. The family is so holy, there must be no divorce

And if a wife is not content, she must adjust, of course

And if he’s forced to beat her, it’s all for her own good

She must know what her limits are, as any woman should.,

(chorus)

3. The next to go is daycare,

it’s all a commie plot!

What could be more fulfilling than a child, wanted or not?

A woman’s world is housework, God wanted it that way

A salaried job degrades her since she never works for pay

(chorus)

4. They teach us women’s lot is "love honor and obey"

And while their crusty notions seem like jokes to us today,

They’re sitting in the Capitol, they’re voting on our lives

If we don’t stop them soon, our freedom will not long survive!

Alt chorus:

No going back, back to the bad ole days...

When men were really masters and women were their slaves

let's go ahead, ahead for future centuries,

And build a world that’s based on true democracy

And build a world that’s based on true equality!

Ah – person!