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Boom! Jeffrey Epstein case bombshell: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Feb 2019 OP
This will also take down some Dems. Pisces Feb 2019 #1
So be it if they were involved exboyfil Feb 2019 #2
Take them all down leftynyc Feb 2019 #8
Bill Clinton was mixed up in it madville Feb 2019 #16
No, Clinton had nothing to do with it JCannon Feb 2019 #25
Thank you. DURHAM D Feb 2019 #28
thank you for all your research, and for this important information. niyad Feb 2019 #39
Okay, then he has nothing to worry about rusty fender Feb 2019 #41
Link and quote? tia uponit7771 Feb 2019 #26
Do you have a source for this claim DURHAM D Feb 2019 #27
Does the tweet from NBC count ? neohippie Feb 2019 #45
that's what team limbaugh said on 1500 radio stations over and over and over certainot Feb 2019 #29
Hope that's not true about Bill Clinton... but, if it is, so be it. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #32
Let the chips fall where they may, Dem or repub Achilleaze Feb 2019 #19
exactly. 912gdm Feb 2019 #22
Exactly how I feel. #MeToo InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #33
Claude Taylor and "Tea Pain." These two bullshitters. 11cents Feb 2019 #3
NBC. Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #5
Please. I know the REPORTING isn't coming from Taylor and Tea Pain 11cents Feb 2019 #14
What do you mean by "resistance grifters" specifically? I've vaguely heard of them and vaguely deurbano Feb 2019 #13
Taylor has actually asked his followers for money. 11cents Feb 2019 #15
Thanks for the info. I tend to avoid sources that engage in an excess of exclamation points, which deurbano Feb 2019 #18
Maybe you need to research info yourself instead of believing what some post here... womanofthehills Feb 2019 #43
Fair enough. I do my own research, but avoid what looks like hyperbole until its confirmed deurbano Feb 2019 #44
You are telling lies about Claude Taylor - Why? womanofthehills Feb 2019 #42
This case will not end well for anyone theboss Feb 2019 #4
It could end well for law-abiding citizens. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #7
True enough. I won't tie it to a political agenda. theboss Feb 2019 #9
Shining a light on Donald Trump is not a good thing? Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #11
If it happens, so be it theboss Feb 2019 #12
What specifically leads you to allege that? LanternWaste Feb 2019 #40
and the victims. 912gdm Feb 2019 #10
Would end well for the victims... it's called justice. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #34
I agree theboss Feb 2019 #36
Yes, that regrettable... politics should not play a role in taking down any and all child predators. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #37
K&R... spanone Feb 2019 #6
For some in depth reporting of this miscarriage.. aidbo Feb 2019 #17
Prosecutorial misconduct seems to show up House of Roberts Feb 2019 #20
I was just telling my daughter yesterday I found it interesting that Dershowitz has been vsrazdem Feb 2019 #21
We can thank the MIAMI HERALD. pnwmom Feb 2019 #23
how the Miami Herald investigated Acosta/Epstein/Dershowitz NJCher Feb 2019 #24
Jeffrey Epstein, Roy Moore and Donald Trump are going to be happy to see this precedent. keithbvadu2 Feb 2019 #30
Acosta enid602 Feb 2019 #31
K&R Scurrilous Feb 2019 #35
Link to The Daily Beast nitpicker Feb 2019 #38
 

JCannon

(67 posts)
25. No, Clinton had nothing to do with it
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 07:10 PM
Feb 2019

Disproving this oft-heard canard would require much more time than I can spend right now. Suffice it to say, I've looked into this matter closely. I've studied Virginia Roberts' various declarations and I've painstakingly gone over the flight records and passenger lists for Epstein's jets. I invite others to do likewise; the materials are all online.

Bottom line: Every time Clinton was on one of Epstein's two jets, he was taken to a conference (usually about science) on a trip that was covered in the news. On no occasion did he share a trip with Virginia Roberts or any other underaged female.

There is absolutely no evidence that Clinton went to Epstein's island.

At the time, Epstein's perversions were NOT well-known. Neither jet was known as "The Lolita Express." Some people claim otherwise, but those claims are never backed by evidence. When Clinton accepted those rides, Epstein was known for his interest in science.

The Virginia Roberts declaration presents us with no small amount of difficulty: Most of us have come to despise Dershowitz; thus we do not want to discredit her testimony. However, three things must be noted:

1. What she said about Clinton is NOT borne out by the evidence.

2. For understandable legal reasons, she has retracted what she says about Dershowitz, although I'm told that she privately still says that he had sex with her. (Remember, her suit was against Epstein, not Dershowitz. Battling the latter detracted from the battle against the former.)

3. Even though she claims to have met Clinton, at no point did she say that she or any other "Epstein girl" had sex with Clinton. This has not stopped the right from claiming otherwise. Absurdly, the right continually uses the Roberts declaration against Clinton while absolving Dershowitz -- even though Roberts claimed to have sex with Dershowitz and not with Clinton!

There are two additional pieces of "evidence" (if it can be called that) against Clinton proffered by the right:

1. Ghislaine Maxwell attended Chelsea's wedding. My response: Big deal. Maxwell was invited to lots and LOTS of social functions at that time. That's just the world in which she circulates. She's the daughter of Rupert Maxwell, she has money, she knows everybody, and she gets invited to all sorts of events. That doesn't mean that everyone she has ever met is a pedophile.

2. Maxwell was instrumental in founding a "clean the oceans" group (I forget the name) which received money the Clinton Foundation. The group is very real and does good work. Only a nut would claim that her association with this group somehow proves that Clinton raped a child.

And that is it. That is the sum total of evidence against Bill Clinton. The rest is supposition, conclusion-hopping and conspiracy theory.

Dems have to get over Clinton Derangement Syndrome. The right keeps repeating anti-Clinton lies so often that the left starts to believe those lies. Or rather, the left refuses to challenge them. Instead of passively accepting the claims made by reactionary propagandists, we must demand proof. Even if they are talking about the Clintons.

Oh, and here's the part that everyone forgets: Virginia Roberts was recruited while working for Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago. (Her father, who appears to be a real piece of work, also had a job there.) Donald Trump was the one who had her wear a skimpy outfit -- even though she looked pre-pubescent.

The Trump connection was completely left out of the original Roberts declaration. I'm not sure why.

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
27. Do you have a source for this claim
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 07:17 PM
Feb 2019

other than internet trolls? jftr - Bill Clinton had no leverage in 2016 with anyone at DOJ.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
32. Hope that's not true about Bill Clinton... but, if it is, so be it.
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 07:53 PM
Feb 2019

Would feel badly for Hillary though... she's been through enough.

912gdm

(959 posts)
22. exactly.
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 06:27 PM
Feb 2019

this was sexual abuse on minors.


If the high and mighty are innocent, they have nothing to worry about.


If people we regard as heroes are really monsters, they never deserved our respect in the first place.

11cents

(1,777 posts)
3. Claude Taylor and "Tea Pain." These two bullshitters.
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 05:26 PM
Feb 2019

There's prima facie evidence that Epstein got an absurdly sweet deal. "Resistance" grifters go straight from that to the claim that GOP Senator Sasse, R-NE, is aiming this right at Donald Trump and Alan Dershowitz.

11cents

(1,777 posts)
14. Please. I know the REPORTING isn't coming from Taylor and Tea Pain
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 05:50 PM
Feb 2019

They're not journalists. This "BOOM! Get ready for your child molestation indictments, Trump and Dershowitz" interpretation is.

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
13. What do you mean by "resistance grifters" specifically? I've vaguely heard of them and vaguely
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 05:50 PM
Feb 2019

heard the grifter thing (I think about Taylor, anyway), but what's their history?

11cents

(1,777 posts)
15. Taylor has actually asked his followers for money.
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 05:56 PM
Feb 2019

And gotten some tens of thousands, I think. Which went to fix his damn car. But the more pertinent history is that neither of them have any expertise or any real sources -- although Taylor in particular has not only claimed real sources many times, but he's been scammed by fake "sources" who were out to show him up as a fraud. Simply put, they're part of a Twitter phalanx who are pretending to be something they're not and are capitalizing on people's urgent need to believe -- capitalizing in the form of ego boosts if not money.

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
18. Thanks for the info. I tend to avoid sources that engage in an excess of exclamation points, which
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 06:19 PM
Feb 2019

may be how I overlooked these two.

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
43. Maybe you need to research info yourself instead of believing what some post here...
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 03:48 PM
Feb 2019

Also Claude Taylor worked in the Clinton White House.

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
44. Fair enough. I do my own research, but avoid what looks like hyperbole until its confirmed
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 04:58 PM
Feb 2019

by sources who have previously proven reliable (like Marcy Wheeler), since my time, like everyone's, is limited. But I have no personal knowledge of these particular individuals.

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
42. You are telling lies about Claude Taylor - Why?
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 03:45 PM
Feb 2019

He has a Mad Dog Pac that has put up over 50 billboards against, Republicans and the NRA and is responsible for all the Trump and Trump rat ballons floating at Trump Towers, Trumps Mar-a-Lago, etc.







 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
12. If it happens, so be it
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 05:43 PM
Feb 2019

From what I know, this is likely to impact more Democrats than Republicans.

I don't care. I cheer for justice, not political parties.

But celebrating this as some weird political victory is both creepy and likely misinformed.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
40. What specifically leads you to allege that?
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 03:29 PM
Feb 2019

"this is likely to impact more Democrats than Republicans..."

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
36. I agree
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 07:56 PM
Feb 2019

I guess celebrating an expansion of this case as political victory of some kind is what troubles me.

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
21. I was just telling my daughter yesterday I found it interesting that Dershowitz has been
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 06:27 PM
Feb 2019

MIA for the last couple of months, and figured something about this was going to break eventually.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
23. We can thank the MIAMI HERALD.
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 06:39 PM
Feb 2019

And maybe purchase some subscriptions. It's how the good places stay in business.

keithbvadu2

(36,667 posts)
30. Jeffrey Epstein, Roy Moore and Donald Trump are going to be happy to see this precedent.
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 07:20 PM
Feb 2019

Jeffrey Epstein, Roy Moore and Donald Trump are going to be happy to see this precedent.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142259606

Kansas judge calls teenage girls 'aggressors' in sex abuse case and gives defendant reduced sentence

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“I've known Jeff (Epstein) for 15 years. Terrific guy,'' Trump told New York Magazine back in 2002. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it - Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141705027

enid602

(8,594 posts)
31. Acosta
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 07:39 PM
Feb 2019

Watch out for Alex Acosta. He was the US Attorney in South Florida who got Epstein off easy and then was appointed Secretary of Labor. Not sure if it was quid pro quo or blackmail, but it does not smell too good. Let’s hope for justice for Katie Johnson and the others.

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