Come on Bernie!!

[boston bean]

Link to tweet

[LexVegas]

1. He is horrible on issues of race. Its disqualifying in itself. nt

[boston bean]

2. "I've said black fifty times", yells Bernie

How rude and condescending.

[liberalnarb]

7. Thats because someone in the audience heckled him.

When he said that we have the highest rate of childhood poverty "especially within the African American community", someone in the audience called out something along the lines of "say black!"

[boston bean]

8. Ah no. His next sentence is "this is a national issue".

He wasn’t heckled for saying African American. He was again asked to speak to it only in terms of black persons and their struggles.

[liberalnarb]

12. No?

Look at the video. 54 seconds in he is clearly interrupted right after saying "especially within the African American community."

[boston bean]

13. Yeah he was interrupted but not for saying African American as you state is the case.

[liberalnarb]

18. It seemed to me that the interruption happened right after he said the words "African American

Community" to which he responded "I've said black 50 times!" Not a good choice of words, but that definitely seems to have been the interaction that took place.

[LexVegas]

27. Wrong. nt

[liberalnarb]

33. Got anything of substance to say?

[LexVegas]

35. Covering for Bernie miscues on race is substance?

[liberalnarb]

39. "Covering"?

I already said that I agreed that Bernie handled the issue very poorly in this video. I'm not "covering". Your hostility is quite unwarranted.

[Apollyonus]

129. You are being forgivingly apologetic

instead of calling for Bernie to get educated about the issues or not run in a party which has a vast number of African-American and Hispanic supporters/voters.

[liberalnarb]

134. Bernie is not uneducated on the issues, at least not in contrast with most any other white

politician. I agreed that his handling of the issue in this case was poor. I rejected the accusation that I was "covering". Covering, to me, implies that I am excusing some sort of crime or unforgivable sin.

[Apollyonus]

136. I think that is incorrect.

He IS uneducated on social justice issues. Ignorant at worst and tone-deaf at best.

[liberalnarb]

138. Well, "think" is the keyword in this instance. eom

[QC]

87. No. n/t

[LexVegas]

16. Bullshit. nt

[honest.abe]

22. Cant believe he said that.

[ehrnst]

24. Indeed. (nt)

[DownriverDem]

101. Forget Bernie

We have a two party system. Bernie is not a member of the Democratic Party. We have great Dem candidates. Let's pick one and work like hell for them to get the nomination. Personally, I just want a Dem candidate that can beat trump or whoever the repubs put up if he's gone. (I think it will be trump, though)

[BlueMTexpat]

106. This!

[stonecutter357]

3. K&R

[jcgoldie]

4. we all know who Bernie is by now

He has a strong message on poverty and issues affecting poor people in general but he doesn't differentiate based on gender or race. If sensitivity to those types of oppression is important to you, then he's probably not your candidate.

[boston bean]

5. Why can't he speak to both?? That question deserves an answer.

[jcgoldie]

6. Good question

I agree

[ehrnst]

26. The racial mix of the state that elected him is 98% white.

He hasn't had to speak to both to get elected in VT, and it appears he gets irritated when he's shown that the national audience isn't going to accept what VT does in the way of addressing race in America.

[LakeSuperiorView]

57. I guess one could say that he doesn't see race,

literally.

[NurseJackie]

9. We need someone better than this to be our party's nominee.

All I'm saying is that we have such a brilliantly talented pool of Democrats who are sharp-minded, modern-thinking, forward-looking and who have a much better understanding of today's issues and challenges. It's perfectly reasonable for DEMOCRATS to to have our eyes on the future, and that's what I'm hoping we'll do.

[2naSalit]

61. We have several very good candidates in our party

to choose from this election cycle, much younger candidates who will be here far longer than Bernie and his cohort. i think we should support them.

[NurseJackie]

70. The cream will rise to the top. I'm certain of it.

[2naSalit]

78. I agree.

We make it if we try!

[liberalnarb]

10. I agree that Bernie's response in this instance was dissapointing

but the attempts to depict him as racist or insensitive to race-specific issues is bullshit. The man has been outspoken about systematic injustices against minority communities since the beginning of his career. Before he was a politician he was chair of his university CORE chapter and was involved in the SNCC.

[boston bean]

14. Then here was the perfect time to speak to it again.

[liberalnarb]

25. I agree but not doing so doesn't render his past activism on the issue irrelevant.

[boston bean]

29. This is 2019.

[liberalnarb]

32. Ok?

He spoke at length about mass incarceration and its disproportionate effect on the black community during his 2016 campaign.

[ehrnst]

56. From HRC's POTUS campaign website:

End the era of mass incarceration

Today in America, more than one out of every 100 adults is behind bars. This mass incarceration epidemic has an explicit racial bias, as one in three black men can expect to go to prison in their lifetime. A significant number of those incarcerated are held for low-level, nonviolent offenses. We must end the era of mass incarceration by:

Cutting mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent drug offenses in half.

Allowing current nonviolent prisoners to seek fairer sentences.

Eliminating the sentencing disparity for crack and powder cocaine so that equal amounts of crack and powder cocaine carry equal sentences, and applying this change retroactively.

Reforming the “strike” system, so that nonviolent drug offenses no longer count as a “strike,” reducing the mandatory penalty for second- and third-strike offenses.

Focusing federal enforcement resources on violent crime, not simple marijuana possession. Marijuana arrests, including for simple possession, account for a large number of drug arrests. Significant racial disparities exist in marijuana enforcement—black men are significantly more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than their white counterparts, despite the fact that their usage rates are similar. Hillary will allow states that have enacted marijuana laws to act as laboratories of democracy and reschedule marijuana from a Schedule I to a Schedule II substance.

Prioritizing treatment and rehabilitation—rather than incarceration—for low-level, nonviolent drug offenders. More than half of prison and jail inmates suffer from a mental health problem. Up to 65 percent of the correctional population meets the medical criteria for a substance use disorder. Hillary will ensure law enforcement is properly trained for crisis intervention and referral to treatment as appropriate, direct the attorney general to urge federal prosecutors to seek treatment over incarceration for low-level, nonviolent drug crimes.

Dismantling the school-to-prison pipeline. Hillary will work to dismantle the school-to-prison pipeline by providing $2 billion in support to schools to reform overly punitive disciplinary policies, calling on states to reform school disturbance laws, and encouraging states to use federal education funding to implement social and emotional support interventions.

Ending the privatization of prisons. Hillary believes we should move away from contracting out this core responsibility of the federal government to private corporations. We must not create private industry incentives that may contribute—or have the appearance of contributing—to over-incarceration. The campaign does not accept contributions from federally registered lobbyists or PACs for private prison companies and will donate any such direct contributions to charity.

More at:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

[liberalnarb]

58. At what point did I mention Hillary?

[ehrnst]

59. You mentioned the 2016 campaign, and the topic of mass incarceration

I was pointing out that this is a Democratic Party issue, and discussing it is not exclusive to one politician.

[liberalnarb]

65. It is a Democratic issue but I was responding to the assertion that Bernie Sanders never addressed

these issues.

[ehrnst]

71. I'm not seeing where Boston Bean asserted

that "Bernie Sanders never addressed these issues."

Can you point me to the link?

[honest.abe]

21. He is not a racist... but he simply doesnt get it.

If he cant express himself in such a way to connect with black voters he simply cannot be our nominee.

[SidDithers]

28. +1...

and there's no number of SOUL FOOD lunches with Killer Mike that will change that.

Sid

[NurseJackie]

31. ...

[liberalnarb]

36. Ok, but what about holding hours long forums specifically revolving around the issues?

Is that also insufficient?

[NurseJackie]

50. Or another valid question would be...

Is that also insufficient?

I don't know. It's hard to say. But another valid question would be: have those hours helped him to be more sensitive; or to better understand; or to better express; and to sincerely connect?

I think it's completely fair to ask these questions because people deserve an honest and straightforward response. The fact that anyone needs to ask at all, and that there's any level of uncertainty about whether it was "sufficient" or "insufficient"... well, that kinda speaks for itself and people must come to their own conclusions about that.

All I know is what it looks like from where I'm sitting. I'll let others speak for themselves.

[liberalnarb]

51. What would it look like if he was sensitive to these issues in the way you say he is not now?

[NurseJackie]

53. That remains to be seen, doesn't it?

That remains to be seen, doesn't it? I cannot predict the future.

[liberalnarb]

54. I suppose, but I just thought that since there is such certainty that he is not sensitive to those

issues now, one would have an image in their mind of what contrast to his current posture would look like?

[ehrnst]

64. Isn't that something that all candidates for POTUS face? (nt)

[liberalnarb]

67. Well, yes, but the focus in this thread seems to be on a perceived deficit

of substance on racial issues unique to Bernie Sanders.

[Apollyonus]

127. It is not a "perceived deficit"

It is an existential deficit and it is becoming loud and clear.

[Mars and Minerva]

68. That's a little like demanding an Atheist prove there is no God. nt

[liberalnarb]

74. No, discussions of religion revolve purely around abstraction.

I'm asking what Sanders could do that would display a deeper understanding of racial issues. Not quite the same if you asked me.

[Apollyonus]

139. Maybe he should have more forums and seminars

with his Cornel West and Nina Turner. That would be helpful as another publicity stunt.




What I remember is that Bernie asked for President Obama to be primaried in 2012.

[liberalnarb]

141. He said Obama should be primaried because of his pivot to the right on Social Security.

[Apollyonus]

144. Cool story bro n/t

[liberalnarb]

145. Your immaturity is noted. I'm signing off now. nt

[Docreed2003]

118. See my response below...

[NurseJackie]

124. Thank you!

That was nicely put. Great post. Clear and thoughtful.

[Docreed2003]

125. Just offering my 2c

Hope you are well!

[Docreed2003]

115. Maybe not shout an answer, just once?

I realize that Bernie's oratorical approach is harsh in most instances, but this response, much like his typical response when he feels cornered, it's harsh, it's loud, it's condescending and it totally ignores the question he was asked and simultaneously shouts down the heckler in the audience. He's not giving her a thoughtful answer here. What he is giving her is an answer that fits into his own view and his aggressive tone in the response clearly shows how uncomfortable he is in that moment.

[liberalnarb]

117. Again, I agree that Sanders' handling of the question was bad,

however, this instance does not reflect his demonstrated attitude toward the issue the majority of the time.

[Docreed2003]

121. But you ask what it would look like if he were sensitive to those issues

I gave you a response. I like Bernie on a lot of things...I supported him during the primary...but this is a terrible look and there's simply no justifying his aggressive, condescending, and defensive response here.

Sadly, this type of response HAS become his type of response the majority of the time when he finds himself outside of his comfort zone. Bernie would do himself a world of good by softening his responses and at least attempting to listen and respond honestly to hard questions rather than deflect into his typical comfort zones.

[NurseJackie]

123. What exactly would that "demonstrated attitude" be?

this instance does not reflect his demonstrated attitude toward the issue the majority of the time.

What exactly would that "demonstrated attitude" be? How does it differ from that which people have observed and criticized him about?

The reason I'm asking is because the way in which you frame your response appears to be suggesting that his "demonstrated attitude" is something other than that about which people are critical. Or, is this just something that's supposedly motivated by the (quote-unquote) "pathological hatred" that someone referred to in post #42.

It's a legitimate question. If someone's attitude isn't clear, it should be clarified. That's fair, isn't it?

I agree that Sanders' handling of the question was bad,

He should have been more thoughtful and less short-tempered. Those are important qualities to have (and to demonstrate) and ones that I always look for in the candidates that I support.

[liberalnarb]

131. Sanders has addressed issues of race a multitude of times.

Whether it be police racism, systematic oppression, mass incarceration. Sanders has spoken at length about these issues. Hes been active in fighting for racial justice since he headed his University's CORE chapter and attended the March on Washington. That is why I suggest that he has demonstrated an attitude other than what is portrayed in this clip. I agree that he should have been more thoughtful and less short tempered, but was his reaction much different than Hillary Clinton's reaction to the young BLM activist when she was confronted?

[NurseJackie]

135. Clearly the AA community and other POC are underwhelmed. I wonder why....

Sanders has addressed issues of race a multitude of times.

Clearly the AA community and other POC are underwhelmed. I wonder why their responses and reactions are at odds with the glowing report card in your post. All I'm saying is... they are the ones who know best, they are the ones who are watching AND LISTENING. All I'm saying here is, wouldn't it make sense to give them the same courtesy and LISTEN to what they're saying? (Instead of dismissing it and insulting people by falsely accusing them of having a "pathological hatred".)

[Empowerer]

84. If a candidate who had never shown any depth or adeptness with women's issues

Held a series of hours-long town hall meetings to learn more about women's concerns, would you think that was sufficient to conclude that he was now the best or even one of the top candidates for women?

[liberalnarb]

110. Are you implying that Bernie has never showed any depth adeptness on racial issues?

Because that would be ludicrous.

[NurseJackie]

128. You make a great point there.

If a candidate who had never shown any depth or adeptness with women's issues
Held a series of hours-long town hall meetings to learn more about women's concerns, would you think that was sufficient to conclude that he was now the best or even one of the top candidates for women?

You make a great point there. These sorts of things must come naturally to the candidate that earns my support. I am looking for a candidate whose attitudes and statements clearly speak for themselves. Town-halls and seminars and TED Talks, or what-have-you (even ones that are "HOURS LONG'') really don't compare to others who have a lifelong history of unquestionable support and understanding.

[theboss]

104. The fundamental problem with Bernie is that he seems to need these forums more than the voters

For all her faults, Hillary Clinton did not need to set up meetings with black voters - women and men - in order to connect with them and/or understand their concerns. She knew their issues and understood them deep deep in her core. Obviously, the same was true with Obama.

We tend to get in trouble when we nominate candidates who treat black voters as some sort of weird sociological study.

I was 18 when Clinton ran in 1992. I still think that race changed the weekend of the NAACP convention when Perot gave his "you people" speech, and Clinton followed him by conducting what literally felt like a prayer meeting.

This is not something you can fake or learn in your 70s.

[liberalnarb]

111. The forums were set up to give the real people who face these issues a voice

not because Sanders "needed" them.

[theboss]

114. And Sanders got 20 percent of their vote

Somehow, there was a disconnect.

The problem with this discussion is that Sanders supporters equate "being bad on racial issues" with "racism."

Sanders isn't a racist. He just has a European view of society where class is the be all and end all. And America is not like that. Poor whites are very different from poor blacks and that's true up and down the class scale and across racial lines.

As an active Democrat in Texas, the hardest part is not that we feel outnumbered here. The problem is that the coalition we need to create is so vast. Uniting Hispanics, black voters, college educated upper class whites, Asian immigrants, second and third generation Asians, and Muslims into one coalition is just a smidge tricky. Appealing to their pocketbooks doesn't exactly work.

[liberalnarb]

116. There may have been a disconnect, but I'm pushing back against a narrative that seems to

assert that Sanders intentionally dismisses these issues. As far as that disconnect is concerned, it does seem to be shrinking. Bernie Sanders is now more popular with voters of color than he is with white voters.

[theboss]

119. Are his numbers with minorities rising or are his numbers with whites dropping?

I've seen nothing on his recent polling so I legitimately don't know.

I think the Hillary race is interesting, because you can learn a lot from a two-person race.

I'm already dreading 2020, because I love the numbers behind politics and they are going to be useless with 25 fucking people running.

[liberalnarb]

120. CNN Polling showed Sanders has highest approval rating among non-white voters.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/12/14/rel12e.-.2020.and.economy.pdf

[honest.abe]

143. Misleading. That poll also shows Sanders with the highest unfavorable rating among non-white voters.

Its simply means that most voters have an opinion about Sanders. Many of the other candidates are not known as well so they have low favorable and low unfavorable numbers.

[NurseJackie]

149. Nailed it!

It's little more than name recognition.

[George II]

162. If the 1015 respondents to that poll are a cross-section of the US population, that would mean:

There were only 126 black respondents (although that category is the vague term "non-white" ), certainly not a statistically accurate sampling.

So, 58% of those 126 favored Sanders - that's 73 respondents vs. Biden't 71 (56%) The numbers in that poll are so small they can't be taken very seriously.

[NurseJackie]

163. Kinda reminds me of the "most popular" poll we hear so much about...

Kinda reminds me of the "most popular" poll we hear so much about (sooo fucking much about).

[NurseJackie]

140. ...

Bernie Sanders is now more popular with voters of color than he is with white voters.

[liberalnarb]

142. This is where I sign off. Not that there was ever a chance of anyones mind being changed anyway.

[NurseJackie]

157. Minds are changed by words and deeds. Not by spin.

Not that there was ever a chance of anyones mind being changed anyway.

Minds are changed by words and deeds. Not by spin.

As I pointed out in an earlier message... Clearly the AA community and other POC are underwhelmed.

Instead of advocating for and trying to justify (spin) all the reasons that people should change their minds, a smarter approach would be to actually LISTEN to what they're saying.

It certainly makes sense to me that the AA community and other POC are the ones who would know best what their experiences is and they'd know best who their best advocates are; and they'd know best and can tell the difference between meaningful action and insincere lip-service (no matter which party it may be).

It would probably be best to take these people seriously instead of insulting them with false accusations of having a "pathological hatred". I mean, seriously now... what good purpose was that supposed to serve? All I'm saying is, when someone says things like that it doesn't really help to "change minds".

[Apollyonus]

126. IMHO

Those forums were just publicity stunts and they did not make Bernie change anything one iota.

[ehrnst]

62. ....

[watoos]

40. Wait until the threads start that attack Kamala,

she has a record that is going to be examined with a fine tooth comb.

I was attacked for a thread I started about Democrats eating our own, it is happening all over DU.

Kirstin Gillibrand, Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard have all had threads attacking them.

Meanwhile MF45 is attacking House Democrats for investigating him.

[honest.abe]

46. There have already been numerous criticisms of Kamala on this board.

I have not seen anything significant yet. She has a pretty clean record and has been completely open and frank about anything that appears to be controversial. She is not defensive or unclear about anything in her past that has been questioned. That is one of the reasons I really like her as our nominee. I think she is rock solid.

[yuiyoshida]

90. I agree...

I like her very much. I also like Corey Booker...

[Apollyonus]

137. She also doesn't think she is a messiah n/t

[Mars and Minerva]

73. The legendary "Primary Season" at DU....

it's going to be a long one.

[efhmc]

72. To me, "not getting it", especially as a national figure who wants to represent the Dem party,

is a negative quality which can't be overcome.

[Apollyonus]

132. Another apologetically forgiving stance

Don't look at what Bernie doesn't do or say ... only look at what he says ....

[Gothmog]

11. K&R

[Freddie]

15. It's not 2016

We have a huge and highly qualified pool of potential candidates, not just one. We need the best, MOST ELECTABLE candidate. Don’t think it’s Bernie this time.

[watoos]

41. Bernie didn't even get in the race yet did he?

[Apollyonus]

133. He hasn't

but he is doing all the publicity stunts like he is going to run. I just hope that he doesn't take the ball and go home like last time when he loses this time.

[honest.abe]

17. "I don't think he believes that systemic oppression exists unless its caused by unfair distribution"

That was a tweet by David Lytle which clearly explains Bernie's tunnel vision on this issue.

[Wounded Bear]

55. That's part of the problem, but far from all of it...

I'm all for economic fairness and all that shit, but racial discrimination goes far beyond that.

Two of the biggest things that need to be addressed are systemic violence and voter suppression.

[liberalnarb]

113. Racial discrimination, systematic violence and voter suppression are all very much intertwined.

[liberalnarb]

112. These issues are tied together, no?

[betsuni]

19. K&R

[BigOleDummy]

20. I do not think ...

… that Mr. Sanders is racist. But I also think that his presidential aspirations are not necessarily a good thing for the Democratic party. His is a powerful voice that I really believe would be better served in the Senate.

[watoos]

43. Well put,

your positive attitude better serves our party than the negativity I am seeing here.

The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.

[honest.abe]

49. Exactly.

[Saviolo]

105. Agreed.

I'd love to see Bernie stay in the Senate and wrap his arm around the shoulder of a younger progressive that will help move the political discourse forward. Bernie was great at energizing people (and young people!) and he's great at fund raising. I'd rather see him not run this time around, though.

I have similar thoughts about Elizabeth Warren, too. I love her, but I think she's far more of a powerhouse in the Senate where she's done such amazing work standing up to the banks.

[frazzled]

148. No one has implied that he is racist

The criticism is that he is (and has long been) clueless on issues of racism, particularly issues of institutional and structural and implicit racism. This is because of his tenacious (and myopic) tendency to view all problems through an economic lens, a vestige of his lingering Marxist roots.

We could enact the entire gamut of economic issues that he has proposed (breaking up banks, imposing higher estate taxes, debt free college, etc.) and it still wouldn't mean either economic or social equality for black people in this country. Because if your name is black and your face is black, there will still be barriers: educational barriers, job barriers, social barriers, voting barriers, justice barriers that even money won't fix.

Not even in the imagined rosy times of FDR in America's past, or when taxes were sky-high on the wealthy in post-war America, were there ever good times for the country's black population. The income equality that existed then for black people was enormous, and will remain so until the extra-economic factors of racism are addressed in this country.

Sanders is not a racist; he just doesn't see the underlying issues that subtend racism and is therefore of ill-equipped to move the country forward on these continuing problems.

Sorry, he just doesn't "get it."

[SidDithers]

23. It's all he knows...nt

Sid

[DinahMoeHum]

30. "The Root" just crushed Bernie on this issue. . .

https://www.theroot.com/hey-bernie-sanders-can-you-stfu-after-the-sotu-and-let-1832372100

[honest.abe]

34. The top comment to the article..

Anyone, including the author of this article, that thinks Bernie Sanders stands a chance in the upcoming primaries needs to lay off the pipe. The 2018 midterms were pretty much a giant middle finger to Bernie, his Bros and his fake ass revolution. Vanilla Ice’s follow up album wasn’t as lame as Bernie’s half ass attempts to make it look like his “revolution” won. The bloom was off the rose at the 2016 DNC Convention when his collection of brats tried like hell to usurp the floor. Also why any person of color would want to ride with this man after he wanted Barack primaried in 2012 is beyond me. Bernie sit your old ass down. Black women voters, The DNC base, didn’t buy your act in 2016 and they sure as hell don’t appreciate you trying to steal Stacy Abrams thunder tonight or have your internet thugs call out Kamala whenever they see her. It is over, shut up, move on. If not you will be dealt with this time because we don’t have time for your Bros and their fucking white privilege temper tantrum. Never have so many rode so hard fro a man that has accomplished nothing. Well unless you consider not having a job prior to forty a noteworthy accomplishment.

[Empowerer]

89. Well, alrighty then

[Apollyonus]

146. Oh come on! He DID rename two post offices in Vermont n/t

[Cha]

38. That was interesting, Dinah..

Thank You

[liberalnarb]

42. What nonsense.

The article starts off implying that so-called "Bernie Bros" voted for Trump en masse, which is completely false. The writer even acknowledges that Sanders didn't give his response until after Abrams was finished. The accusation that he was trying to "overshadow" her is pretty far fetched. Those of us that watched both of the speeches know that Bernie tipped his hat to Stacey Abrams at the beginning of his video. The pathological hatred of some people of this man is really suspicious.

[watoos]

45. The "Bernie Bros" were created by Russia.

When Bernie lost the primary he gave a speech that urged his followers to vote for Hillary. I find it sad with all that we now know about Russia's involvement in our election that we are blaming Bernie for Hillary's stolen election and not Putin. Sad.

[liberalnarb]

47. Agreed.

[honest.abe]

48. According to wikipedia, Robinson Meyer, a writer for The Atlantic, coined the term "Bernie bro"..

Robinson Meyer, a writer for The Atlantic, coined the term "Bernie bro" in an October 17, 2015 article[2] to describe a phenomenon in which some young, white, progressive men were "hectoring their friends" on Facebook to support Sanders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Bro

[Cha]

52. Thanks.. they're real.

[liberalnarb]

63. Mmm not really.

At least not in the derogatory sense the term was derived to illustrate.

[shenmue]

76. Yes they are

[liberalnarb]

77. Maybe on Twitter.

[Cha]

80. Yes they are.

[liberalnarb]

81. Mostly on Twitter. Not so much elsewhere.

[Cha]

82. All over Twitter.

[liberalnarb]

96. And what do we know about how well the twittersphere reflects the population?

[Cha]

170. there's no denying they're

real.

[liberalnarb]

171. They're certainly not a widespread phenomenon.

[Cha]

173. Too wide.

[Docreed2003]

122. And another site which shall not be named

But I hear it's awful lonely out in "the pines" lately

[Cha]

166. That's right.. and I know

some place else they are.. that shall not be named.

Docreed

[George II]

168. Bazinga!

[George II]

160. Yes, and elsewhere, too.

[Cha]

167. Exactly what I told

Docreed, George.

[Apollyonus]

147. Yep ...

I faced them on Facebook and Twitter and while lurking on DU.

[liberalnarb]

60. The point is that the divide was milked by the Russians to solidify the divide between Sanders and

Clinton supporters.

[honest.abe]

69. Someone said "created" by the Russians.

Apparently that is a false claim.

The Russians did alot of things to muck things up for us. Bernie and his rabid followers were certainly fertile targets.

[yaesu]

88. This is true, & regretfully, its still bring used today. nt

[watoos]

83. I was wrong to say created,

but I didn't want to go "there" who created Bernie Bros.

Here is the rest of the Wikipedia thread that you cite;

Leah McElrath wrote in 2017 that the sexist responses on Twitter purportedly from male Sanders supporters may have been actually Russian bots intended to disrupt the election,[19] a suggestion supported in part by testimony at the Senate Intelligence Committee hearings on Russian election interference.[20] Indictments stemming from the Mueller investigation in February 2018 said that the Russians "engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump."[21]

[honest.abe]

94. Seems to be no doubt the Russians at some point jumped on "bernie bro" thing to sow discord.

For sure it seemed to have worked.

[NurseJackie]

66. Technically speaking, any vote that did not directly benefit the Democratic candidate...

Technically speaking, any vote that did not directly benefit the Democratic candidate had the mathematical effect of benefiting Trump. So many disgruntled voters being egged-on by Susan Fucking Sarandon to "vote their conscience" and "send a message" by voting for Stein if they were still disappointed that the Democrats chose Hillary.

What nonsense.

All I'm saying is that there's a lot of underlying truth into what's being presented, it's just that one has to be able to let go of their defensive posture and be willing to open their mind.

The pathological hatred of some people of this man is really suspicious.

Oh, brother! GMAFB! What "pathological hatred" are you talking about? That's completely untrue.

I have to tall ya, wild accusations and loaded phrases like that serve no good purpose--other than as a way to be instantly dismissive of valid criticism--without having to make any cogent arguments. It's just a way to denigrate and devalue others.

[Apollyonus]

150. They either voted for Trump or Stein or didn't vote for POTUS at all.

In MI, 90,000 people voted for all other democrats but left the POTUS space blank.

This was no accident.

[safeinOhio]

37. I like what Bernie has to say about many issues, but

he will not be the nominee this time. We now have Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez speaking for Socialist Democrats to get behind and I will look to her to support a great person to run for President.

[dlk]

44. Bernie Means Well...

Bernie has his staunch supporters. However, I believe his time as a viable candidate and his ability to secure enough votes to win a presidential election, has passed. If he decides to run anyway, well, we saw what happened in 2016. Independent and third party candidates never win an election but, instead, often change the outcome.

[efhmc]

75. Well said and without the vitriol I feel.

nt

[Apollyonus]

152. I disagree that he means well

Bernie kept on attacking Hillary even after it was mathematically certain that she would win. He had lost long before the convention and he could have graciously bowed out and endorsed her wholeheartedly.

Instead, he unleashed his brats at the convention to boo legendary icons like John Lewis. He said nothing to discourage them. Bernie and his supporters wanted to create a chaos at the convention only because Bernie didn't win.

They (with Tad Devine) sowed the seeds of the Hillary derangement syndrome with memes like

Hillary won unfairly and with dirty tricks
Hillary is corrupt
Hillary is unlikable
Hillary is cold
There is no difference between Hillary and Trump
Hillary is hiding something in her emails and
The Clinton Foundation is pay to play.

The most dangerous thing that I heard circulating was "If Hillary wins, Bernie can never run again, but if she loses, Bernie has a chance in four years." This made a lot of Bernie supporters to vote for Trump or Stein or not vote for POTUS at all.

[dlk]

172. ;)

[Croney]

79. Oh dear. "I've said black fifty times" could be his

"binders full of women" moment.

[honest.abe]

91. Clearly he let his frustration show in a rude and disrespectful way.

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[MoonRiver]

107. Lol

[ZeroSomeBrains]

85. I remember when HRC was heckled by BLM activists

She was shouted at to respond to her superpredator comments made by her back in the 90's and security led them out and she didn't respond to the comments. Having someone yell at you to respond to something and then not responding doesn't make them a bad person. Sure Bernie could've dealt with it better. I remember when he gave the microphone to BLM activists in Seattle. The insinuation being made here is disingenuous.

[Apollyonus]

155. Hillary invited the BLM protesters for a personal chat

immediately after that event.

[Scurrilous]

86. ...

[yaesu]

92. What event was this? Recent? nt

[honest.abe]

98. Looks like from 2016

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-reparations_us_56bf4085e4b08ffac1257652

[yaesu]

99. Thank you, I was just concerned about rehashing the last Democratic presidential primary

which seems to be a big no no in DU tos page:

"Don't keep fighting the last Democratic presidential primary
Regardless of whether you supported a winning candidate or a losing candidate, do not prolong the agony of the last Democratic presidential primary by continuing to pick fights, place blame, tear down former primary candidates, bait former supporters, or do anything else to pour salt on old wounds."

[QC]

109. Rehashing the 2016 primary is pretty much the sole purpose of DU now. n/t

[Renew Deal]

93. I don't think he heard the question

She slides in reparations at the end and I think he missed it.

[MyNameGoesHere]

95. When you know one Tune really well

Why change?

[honest.abe]

97. I think this is from an event in 2016.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-reparations_us_56bf4085e4b08ffac1257652

Not that it takes away from the significance but still the poster should be clear about when this happened.

[Tom Rinaldo]

103. Thank you for pointing this out.

You wrote in a post above something to the effect that hopefully this incident would serve as a wake up call for Sanders in regards to 2020. Since it actually happened two years ago, perhaps to at least some extent it did.

This is from a balanced overall critical but fair article about Bernie Sanders. It is overall a good read:

"In the 2016 Democratic primary, Hillary Clinton mopped the floor with Bernie Sanders among black voters. That a commanding 50-point margin separated the two with this crucial cohort prompted soul-searching for the Vermont senator, whose 2020 plans rest on building a more multiracial coalition. Sanders has responded with earnest outreach. He has communicated frequently with progressive black mayors across the South and endorsed popular black statewide candidates, like Andrew Gillum and Stacey Abrams. The Associated Press reports the senator “huddles more routinely with black lawmakers to discuss shared priorities.”

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/bernie-sanders-and-the-lies-we-tell-white-voters.html

[disillusioned73]

100. This guy has me blocked on twitter..

so he can f*ck off here as well...

[NurseJackie]

108. He did? How rude! I wonder why.

[Cha]

169. I can't

imagine why?!

I like Chris Evans

[theboss]

102. He lost black women voters 80 to 20 versus Hillary

He's not good on these issues, and the voters know it.

It's probably because he is not a Democrat.

[Garrett78]

130. Down with identity politics. Now, let's talk about white people.

[Empowerer]

153. Lol!

[Apollyonus]

154. lol n/t

[GulfCoast66]

151. When people tell you who the are believe them. Bernie is no racist by and means.

But he is a lifelong socialist. He apparently believes all the Marxist claptrap about all conflict being based in class.

So the reason he keeps stepping into it in relation to minority issues being separate from class issues is that is doesn’t fit in his lifelong philosophy.

[Apollyonus]

156. Then he shouldn't be running for national office

in a diverse country like ours.

I could suggest a country for him but I don't want to violate DU TOS.

[apnu]

158. Bernie had this problem in 2016.

He was interrupted a few times with this very question and he usually tried to spin it as an economic poverty issue, which mostly all he talks about.

[QC]

159. The video is from 2016. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

161. What? This shouldn't shock anyone...

Bernie has been who he's been for awhile now

[Adrahil]

165. Yup. Bernie being Bernie. NT