Goddamn she's good

[lillypaddle]

AOC on Chuck Toad right now.

I really haven't wanted to like her - not sure why, really. Oh, you know, she's an upstart (uppity young woman?)

ahem. She will be a force to be reckoned with. Smart, articulate, confident ... God help me, I am sold.

[davekriss]

1. And she's only 28

Makes me hopeful for the future.

[TheRealNorth]

25. That's why Republicans and Reich-wing media are in all-out attack mode on AOC

They want to do to her what they did to Hillary Clinton.

[DemocracyMouse]

52. None of this gossip is important. AOC is supporting the Green New Deal. THAT's important.

Can we NOT be as stupid as Republicans and start THINKING like Hillary, Bernie, AOC and Warren? Start focusing ob what solves our HUGE inequality and global issues – or think how we can attack the two problems with one intersectional solution (the Green New Deal).

[DownriverDem]

27. 29

I googled it.

[List left]

60. SO tired of the sit down and wait until you are old and have lost your dream crowd

The reThuglickans are not timid or shy and that is a big reason they have been kicking democratic ass.
Nancy has turned the tables and AOC is on their heels unapologetically saying what needs to be said.


We need big dreams and the willingness to fight for them...otherwise we will lose again and that is not an option.


--Bernie sniping adds nothing helpful to the conversation--

[SallyHemmings]

2. I think the Chuckster was smitten

[ananda]

3. I like Bernie Sanders too!

And I'm proud of it!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. What's not to like?! Bernie is the bomb... just like AOC!!

[DownriverDem]

28. Let's

hope Bernie doesn't run. Why? He's not a member of the Democratic Party. We don't need the division.

[Snotcicles]

45. What difference would it make if he picks a Democrat as running mate and

signed everything a Democratically controlled House and Senate put before him?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. IF Bernie runs, no doubt, it'll be as a Democrat... he certainly wouldn't run as an Independent...

he's WAY too loyal to do that, knowing it would all but guarantee the Trairor-in-Chief another term.

[SammyWinstonJack]

73. Me too.

[CentralMass]

77. I feel the same.

[demmiblue]

4. K&R (though your Bernie comment wasn't necessary). n/t

[malaise]

5. She is a breath of fresh air

Only heard the end on Todd (can't bear him) but she is smart, articulate and confident. I also loved her glasses.

[saidsimplesimon]

6. I like her also. The Green New Deal

had something to do with that.

What's wrong with liking Bernie? I like Bernie and his economic message.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. Bernie is extremely likeable... it's no wonder he's one of our country's most popular politicians.

[DownriverDem]

32. You don't know?

What's wrong with Bernie is that he is not a member of the Democratic Party. We don't need his drama and division.

[mentalslavery]

37. its interesting that you always bring that up in the same breathe as

drama and division...Hmmmnnnn

[ZapataViva]

48. Okay

Would you choose Joe Manchin (D) over Bernie?

[summer_in_TX]

57. Bernie could be a LOT worse

He could be running on a third-party ticket.

THAT'd be a problem!

Seems like a pretty responsible approach to me.

[Hoyt]

7. Had my doubts at first, like when she appeared on Colbert right after election. But

But she’s sharp and real. Amazing too.

[BlueJac]

8. A star is born...

I like her spunk!

[Afromania]

9. She answered all of his questions including the gotchas. By the end he was was digging much farther

Than he thought he would.

[MaryMagdaline]

10. I like almost everything about her. She is a true leader for her generation

She not only parrots the complaints of her age group, she’s showing them how to engage politically. She is not a cynic. I feared cynicism would be the death of her generation. She gives me hope, like RFK.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

14. A future president... no doubt! Too bad she's not old enough to be Bernie's running mate.

[lillypaddle]

16. God, that's a scary thought

I like AOC, cannot stand bernie.

[ZapataViva]

62. I like him

I'm sincerely grateful that he's helped move our party to the left where it belongs--not the right-center.

[Autumn]

11. She is fierce. A lot of Dems like Bernie.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

15. YES, because most Democrats know Bernie stands with them.

[lillypaddle]

17. unless they are POC

or women. Please don't hijack my thread into a bernie thread. Thank you..

[NurseJackie]

18. Nicely done!

[Autumn]

19. Hey you're the one who brought him up in your own OP .

As a WOC I like Bernie too. You're welcome.

Goddamn she's good
AOC on Chuck Toad right now.

I really haven't wanted to like her - not sure why, really. Oh, you know, she's an upstart (uppity young woman?)

ahem. She will be a force to be reckoned with. Smart, articulate, confident ... God help me, I am sold.

ETA: She likes Bernie. Okay, so no one is perfect.

[demmiblue]

20. You made it a Bernie thread, lillypaddle.

There are people responding to you who are women and PoC.

Get over yourself.

[Autumn]

21. You would think that if someone doesn't want to talk about Bernie they wouldn't

add him to their OP.

[lillypaddle]

75. He was merely an afterthought

the main gist was AOC.

[Autumn]

85. I replied to the main gist and he was enough of a thought for you to edit to add him.

[lillypaddle]

88. And?

What's the point of this? Sounds like you just want to argue. I can't stand Bernie, just my opinion. Deal with it and move on.

[Autumn]

90. The point? You edit your OP to add him to it, then complain when people comment on him.

You brought him into the conversation so your accusation of hijacking your thread is off the mark.

[lillypaddle]

94. Well, I guess you told me!

Some of you are like a dog with a bone. God forbid to say something negative about BS. Am I not allowed to dislike him? Is your sole complaint that I edited my OP and then asked people to not completely hijack it for that one comment?

You know what, lucky you ... you don't get a heart, but you do get added to my ignore list.

[juxtaposed]

29. seems like you're working on doing just that

[smirkymonkey]

34. Thank YOU!

I am not a Bernie fan either and I would prefer that he not become the subject of this thread.

[ZapataViva]

50. Please no!

Please spare me! Here comes the Bernie racist crap again. Let's see, Northum--oh yeah, he's got a "D" in front of his name. So, lemme ask, do you think Bernie was arrested protesting the racist university housing in Chicago in 1961 . . . because he's racist?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Sorry, but YOU "highjacked" your OWN thread when, in your OP, you said...

and I quote: "She likes Bernie. Okay, so no one is perfect." Looks like YOU made this a Bernie thread. Too funny!!

And I couldn't disagree more with your comment. The fact that AOC likes and supports Bernie, as do most Democrats - indeed, she worked with Bernie under his tutelage - is yet another reason to admire her. So AOC, in fact, IS perfect!!

[Cuthbert Allgood]

70. You put a Bernie comment in the OP

and now you don't want it "hijacked" into a Bernie thread? Um, then don't put him in the OP?

And, yeah, he doesn't like women and POC. Um hmmm.

[NurseJackie]

93. Why are people more upset about the word "hijack" than the "POC or women" observation?

[lillypaddle]

95. Go figure ...

[NurseJackie]

97. Both are true. Priorities, I guess.

[PubliusEnigma]

22. Too bad she has no experience or accomplishment. People get drawn in by Glamours so easily.

Let her do some things for us before the coronation.

[IluvPitties]

23. Exactly. AOC has potential, but her disruptive approach to governance makes me uneasy.

She needs to learn from her elders and work with them.

[PubliusEnigma]

24. She has that unaccomplishable idealism of Sanders. Sounds Great, Less Filling

I hope time cures this.

[IluvPitties]

26. Exactly. As long as people validate her approach

she will see no reason to change, though.

[ZapataViva]

63. Gimme that idealism anytime

Rather than the atrophied old boy politics where money always talks.

[ZZenith]

31. Not sure if you realize this yet or not,

but a “disruptive approach to government” is the only thing that’s going to save our asses.

[IluvPitties]

44. That's what Trump supporters have said about their guy...

[ZZenith]

49. You really think the two are comparable?

[Scruffy1]

79. Spot on.

The mindless pundits are already pushing for a "moderate" presidential candidate. When things are this fucked up only a complete sea change can undo it. We've already been through years of trying to accomadate and be reasonable with a bunch of corrupt lunatics. I'm an old man now, but I'll die a lot happier knowing that young leaders like AOC might just save the world. All my life I've been hearing we can't do this or that because it would be too radical. Being moderate against extremists is a sure path to failure. we've already been down that road long enough to know it's a dead end street.

[Traildogbob]

33. 🤔

Learn from elders like McConnel, Lindsay Grahan, Grassley? Right, just shut up, hang around long enough to be corrupted by lobbiest, THEN you can play with the old dogs. Gotcha! She and other newcomers where not elected to sit on their asses and not do what they were elected to do in this time of crisis. Our country has no time to sit a wait. The elders have brought us to this point of disaster. New Sherriffs in town do not wait and learn, they lead, go after criminals immediately and work for those that want change now, voted and need help now.

[IluvPitties]

46. No- learn from OUR elders.

Pelosi, Schumer, Clyburn, Waters, Feinstein, etc.

They know a thing or two about how Washington truly works and how to make things happen.

[ZapataViva]

54. Maxine Waters

And Waters seems like she's very OPEN to the ideas of the youngsters. Being an elder is one thing if you use your knowledge wisely--otherwise, the adage applies: There's no fool like an old fool!

[Traildogbob]

59. ✌🏼️

I get your point. Some elders are great teachers. I am old, today 67. Retired educator. Sometimes I learned from young minds and different perspectives and new energy. That should be embraced as well. Not sit down and be quiet, the young should have a voice, for their future. We should never be too old to learn and listen to them. I love the passion she brings and the young generation is the promise of a future, they should shape it as they desire to live in it. Elders have put is here. Not so proud of the country I served, as is.

[ZapataViva]

66. I wholeheartedly agree

I turn 65 this year myself. I've met my share of old fools, and I'll take a youngster with good ideas over them anytime.

[Traildogbob]

67. Bright young minds

I remember very many extremely bright young students that even challenged me and actually made me a better teacher by listening to their perspective. I also remember old weathered faculty members that let arrogance totally turn students away from learning and demolished any potential excitement they had to do so. We need to draw them into the mix by allowing them to shape their own future, "guided" by elders that can teach them how to impliment their ideas and avoid corrupt pit falls. We must passionately work hand in hand to take down this deep evil empire of money and corruption. I love AOC and all the new blood. The elders should embrace their ideas and guide them how to get those ideas into law.

[lostnfound]

36. Disruption can be healthy

New stuff grows because of it

[Mariana]

56. What makes you think she isn't

learning from her elders and working with them?

[crazycatlady]

65. She was the first to call out the corporate sponsored freshman orientation

This had been going on for years. We only now know about it because of her.

We need more like her. She's from a generation that calls bullshit when they see it.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

92. I'd prefer sh doesn't "learn" from her elders.

[USALiberal]

96. Or maybe they need to learn from her. Nt

[Horizens]

51. Exactly

All Hat, No Cattle ... but a lot of press.

Inexplicable gaffes when interviewed, was the only Democrat to vote against ending the shutdown (and gave reason that defy logic). And don't get me started on Just Us Democrats.

[tazkcmo]

78. I remember a freshman Senator

With no legislative accomplishments or experience that dared to hope and be an agent of change.

[underpants]

80. Biden was 29 when he was elected to the Senate

Just saying.

[PubliusEnigma]

83. Yes, and now he has the experience and accomplishments to be a good President.

Wisdom can't be given, only earned.

[Pepsidog]

30. She is wrecking the Republicans. I love her smarts and wit. Keep it up AOC.

[customerserviceguy]

39. In the process

she's sucking the oxygen out of the room for our 2020 nominee.

[ZZenith]

76. Then our 2020 nominee best get sucking!!!

[LiberalLovinLug]

35. It's not that she likes Sanders

It's that a she is like Sanders.... In her goals and progressive policies. That is the reason why it's obvious if one supports one of them, one would naturally support the other.

To some of us, what a rep believes in and have battled for, and will battle for is more important than age, skin color, or gender. Even the letter in front of their name is below that in importance.

That's why we admire Sanders, and she admires him. Everything else is faux noise.

Both are gems we should be thankful for.

[mentalslavery]

40. nailed it....they have very similar approaches...are extremely likeable...

and of course, she worked on his campaign so naturally she was not a clinton supporter....but a bernie bro....HAAAAA

[LiberalLovinLug]

74. Yup. One of those evil Bernie Bros

That hates POC .....oh wait.

[customerserviceguy]

38. And every minute

that Toad or anyone else in the mainstream media gives to AOC is a minute that is not going to someone to articulate their vision for America as the next president of the United States.

We have about a half-dozen or so declared candidates who have a shot at the nomination, why isn't Chuckie interviewing one of them? Or is the media waiting for someone they've decided behind closed doors should get the nomination?

[mentalslavery]

41. She is paving the way for bernie's run....get out there....get attention....

and then endorse bernie......


Its a brilliant tactical position for bernie to take.....and of course AOC is a supporter of bernie's so she is happy to help.

We have some decent candidates, but nothing to get fired up and ready to go about......yet....

[Downtown Hound]

43. She's going to president one day, mark my words

Not anytime soon. But she's young. In ten or twenty years, when more of the ole white assholes that have been holding us back are gone and millennials are middle aged, she will run. And she will win. She's the voice of the future.

[mentalslavery]

47. she is 6 years away from qualifying as president...Hmmmnn Bernie for 8 and then......

maybe he returns the favor for her support and we get a 37 year old AOC....

[NurseJackie]

53. "ETA: She likes Bernie. Okay, so no one is perfect." --- Well there's that...

ETA: She likes Bernie. Okay, so no one is perfect.

Well, there's that. I think it's the close association with Cenk Uygur's "Justice Democrats" that bothers me the most. Personally, I disagree that there's any need to "destroy the Democratic party in order to rebuild it". That's a very Sarandonesque way of thinking and it's a mistake.

[mentalslavery]

71. none of what you say is accurate.....

none of the people you are talking about want to destroy the democratic party....they just don't like third-way centrist corporate dems.....cuz they think they are republican light....

[NurseJackie]

81. Oh good lord! This again? GMAFB

they just don't like third-way centrist corporate dems.....

Oh good lord! This again? GMAFB!

cuz they think they are republican light....

Welcome to the real world where New England and Vermont-style politics aren't all that popular in Peoria and West Virginia.

none of the people you are talking about want to destroy the democratic party

[mentalslavery]

84. which peoria?....and why would the democratic party message to WV?.......

Me thinks you are the one who is out of touch if you are still "trying to speak to working class whites"....and think voters are "concerned about economic anxiety"

[NurseJackie]

87. ...

[DallasNE]

55. I Knew What This Was Going To Be About

Because I saw the same segment and was struck in the same way. Before I had only seen excerpts of hers.

I like Bernie but not as a candidate this time around. Time for someone much younger. That takes out Sanders, Biden and Warren this cycle.

We also have to talk about immigration and point out the horrors of the Trump immigration policy and what it is doing to this country. We can't allow Trump to frame this issue. Show the scared and caged children being ripped from the arms of the mother and that thousands will never be reunited. And what is already happening on our southern border. It is enough to send chills down your spine. Here is an Omaha World Herald article that goes straight to the point.

https://www.omaha.com/news/trending/trump-s-troop-deployment-covered-border-fence-in-razor-wire/article_8b5883fc-a2d0-5d37-b975-20eaa5e5f34f.html?fbclid=IwAR2Qf9R9PJ_Mevq91ojgbRu54br6lTFaDieVvHIaCCnNzEnyBhP0Y8B4Cbs

[mountain grammy]

64. She's smart, articulate, confident

Of course she likes Bernie! She always has! He endorsed her. They’re both promoting the policies I believe are best for America.

[mentalslavery]

72. Here....Here.....

[ismnotwasm]

69. She's new and coming into her role

Sure she’s misstepps but she has a great big light on her every move. Her Showing her intelligence and competency doesn’t surprise me.

[disillusioned73]

82. When she endorses Bernie..

DU will lose their collective minds... lol

[OliverQ]

86. This is a great video of AoC.

This is why Republicans hate her. She's exposing all their dirty little secrets and corruption.

[jalan48]

89. Let's thank Bernie for helping inspire this woman to run. There is hope after all.

[VOX]

91. With AOC, I was a Doubting Thomas...but no more.

The more I hear from her, the more I like her. She’s learning fast and isn’t buffaloed by all the Republican fake outrage and absurd pearl-clutching.

And I also feel that AOC and Nancy Pelosi have “upped” each other’s game. Pelosi brings wisdom, institutional knowledge and strategy insight; AOC brings intensity, thoroughness and fearlessness. Result: old and new guard both energized and rowing in the same direction.