fairfax, Gary hart, A. Weiner, E. Spitzer, and yes Bill C.

[DonCoquixote]

OK, I know that whenever we criticize people, we have to do so carefully, after all, the crumbs we make will be made into a loaf by the GOP, who does not even pretend to give a damn.

However, I really need to ask this..because we know the GOP loves the "honey trap", why, why do so many Democratic leaders fall for it? Yes we know that even if there was a full video of a GOP slime doing things too nasty for even the internet to show, all he has to go is go to a church, and get "redeemed." WE however have fallen and lost some great warriors.

Why, is all I ask.

[BigmanPigman]

1. I think it is called testosterone mixed with poor self control

and judgement. It is a more of a gender thing, not a political thing.

[crazycatlady]

2. the GOP also lost people to sex scandals

Hell they blew a senate race in a deep red state by nominating a man who was banned from the mall for hitting on teen girls.

Perhaps sexual history and consent should be part of the vetting process.

[applegrove]

3. Fairfax was not a honey trap. It looks like instances of sexual assault.

The last three were being horndogs on their own. If powerful men behave this way repeatedly they are going to get caught.

[theboss]

4. None of those were honey traps

Those were horny dudes.

[appalachiablue]

5. Seen one horndog, seen 'em all. Don't know how they do it,

the brain must totally shut down. Almost always ends badly.

[customerserviceguy]

7. Thinking with the wrong head. n/t

[malaise]

11. I used to drive my close friend's grandson to school

Before he migrated to Florida where he was born, He and his dad came to visit me when he returned home. He was at least a foot taller, handsome and articulate. He was very focused about his college plans. We were talking and I asked him about the girls and I told him to always remember the following Chinese advice which is regularly said in Jamaican dialect, 'man with hard dick have soft head'. He was quite surprised. His dad laughed and told him that he won't get better advice.
He won a prestigious scholarship last year and is now in college. I reminded him over Christmas dinner last year and he laughed and told me that he will never forget my advice.

[customerserviceguy]

12. Great story!

I got custody of my son when he was about to go into the 8th grade, and I warned him, "Even if you have videotape of a girl in your school doing it with every guy there, if you "win" the DNA lottery, the child support payments are coming out of your future earnings, not mine!" He's now a computer programmer in Seattle, with a wonderful wife. Sadly, no grandchildren.

[malaise]

13. No grandchilden

YET - you'll get some.

[customerserviceguy]

14. Well, probably not

He's 36, and his wife is about nine years older than he is. But, he's a fine young man, and by getting his custody, I was able to steer him straight. That's pretty meaningful to me.

But I was adopted, it's possible that he and his wife might do the same.

[malaise]

15. Got you

You were clearly a great dad

[customerserviceguy]

17. Thanks! n/t

[912gdm]

6. I don't think hart belongs on that list.

[customerserviceguy]

8. No, it was just "monkey business"! n/t

[Trenzalore]

9. All these men were victims of their own weaknesses

Fairfax the jury is out but if true he is scum and deserves no sympathy. The allegations are rape.

Gary Hart like to have affairs and his wife was ok with it. In 2020 it wouldn't even register. He was the first test case of the politics of personal destruction by the Bush Cabal as he was viewed as a threat in 1988.

E. Sptizer was entrusted with upholding the law and broke the law by seeing prostitutes. As a prosecutor he put men and women in jail for behavior he engaged in. I'm pretty on the fence whether prostitution should be illegal or highly regulated. Either way Spitzer prosecuted people for it.

Bill Clinton....it all depends on who you view credible. Presidents have been having affairs in office since early on in the founding of this country. I think the rape allegations are bullshit and the sexual harassment allegations I'm 50-50 on. 30 years earlier the insiders in Washington would whisper about the affair and the press would never report on it.

[crazytown]

10. Hart, WJC, Edwards, Spitzer and Weiner cheated on their wives.

Justin Fairfax is alleged to have raped two women while single - A vicious felony - Nowhere near the same ballpark.

[Recursion]

16. Forcible rape is very different from having an affair

I don't like these things being conflated

[DonCoquixote]

18. ok point made

no rape does not = "honey trap"

however, it does still make me ask why , knowing that they will not be forgiven, unlike the GOP, why so many Dems are thinking with what another person in this thread called the "little head".