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Stuart G

(38,420 posts)
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 03:56 PM Feb 2019

Here is why Trump & Co. may be totally clueless..

..Trump has always had "fixers." That is people who fixed things for him. Got him out of real trouble in what ever way necessary. Bankruptcy, paying people off, hiding, whatever the fixers suggested, that is what he did and it worked, sort of.
..Now, one of the fixers, has turned into a "get him." To save himself, and maybe clear his guilty mind, Michael Cohen has switched from a fixer to a "get him." And with all his knowledge and background, Cohen is the perfect one to "get him." Along with Cohen there are others in that group. But, "others in that group." is for another post.
..Another "get him." is "Robert Mueller". He isn't just any "get him." Mueller has a history of getting big crooks. Some of the biggest. But Trump stands above them all. And Mueller's team is second to none. It looks like on the outside that Mueller is aiming to get Trump and his family. One at a time, the way an experienced, "get him." operates.
..A third part of "get him" group is the Democratic Majority in the House of Representatives with the power to subpoena. That group is exceptionally powerful, and it is just starting to exert that power.

Yes, Donald Trump has faced problems before, but this time he is up against 3 incredibly strong forces that will bring him down. And there is another force and it just as important. That one is Trump's inherent belief that he can say and do whatever he wants. He shows no caution or restraint in his tweets, and some of his actions. He is totally unconcerned that some actions may hurt others, but he is "clueless" in the idea in hurting others, he is setting himself up to get hurt in the end. Proof is simple: He cannot shut up. In some ways, he is his own worst enemy.

One last short idea, none of this has anything to do with his "New York" problem often discussed here and elsewhere.

And that is it. Trump has overcome trouble in the past, and gotten away with plenty. But not this time. He may think he is sure that he can get away with "it", but even that thought adds stupidity to his situation. If he operated with total "caution", things might be better for him. The opposite is true. And he is clueless and arrogant. So was Nixon.

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Here is why Trump & Co. may be totally clueless.. (Original Post) Stuart G Feb 2019 OP
ABSOLUTELY!!!! MyOwnPeace Feb 2019 #1
T &C may be "clueless", but... Huin Feb 2019 #2
There are other options other than "impeachment." Stuart G Feb 2019 #3
get him get him scarytomcat Feb 2019 #4
Thanks and I hope so Huin Feb 2019 #5

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
1. ABSOLUTELY!!!!
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 04:05 PM
Feb 2019

The BIG difference between "then" and "now" is that before he was doing his "magic" in the private sector, out and away from the mainstream public eye. Yes, we would see bits and pieces about him when HE wanted it to be public - thus building his image as a brilliant money man.
But now, well, it is very much in the public eye because he (unbeknownst to him) is a PUBLIC SERVANT - and subject to scrutiny by all bodies of government related to his position. For his first two years he was surrounded by tons of "love him" people that were getting what they wanted from him - freedom to act out their agenda and knowing that he will sign off on it for them.
As a brilliant politician and perhaps the best president the United States ever had once said, "Elections have consequences."
Thank you, PRESIDENT OBAMA, for pointing out one way that we can begin to save our country. They DO have consequences, and we are indeed out to "get him!"

Huin

(92 posts)
2. T &C may be "clueless", but...
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 05:59 PM
Feb 2019

there are so many complex occurrences during this presidency, I am starting to believe that I am clueless. I agree he lives in a special imaginary world indulging in the absolute power he imagines he has. To sustain this fairytale world he verbally abuses his opponent and seeks to reward those who support him.

But so far the Russia investigation is still in progress and we don't know it's outcome. Does it not take 2/3 of the votes in the Senate for a conviction in case of an impeachment? We would need to convince close to 1/2 of the republican senators of an impeachable offense, or wait till 2020.


Stuart G

(38,420 posts)
3. There are other options other than "impeachment."
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 06:08 PM
Feb 2019

Perhaps more investigations by Congress, or forcing individuals to testify and then if those individuals lie, then charge them with lying to Congress. Impeaching Trump is not the only option. But time will tell, and over time we will find out more. How much more will depend on what happens with Mueller and other aspects that we do not know about. Over time, I believe most if not all will come out.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
4. get him get him
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 06:32 PM
Feb 2019

play it out all summer 1 investigation at a time
keep him jumping but get to the bottom of all his many crimes
make them rethug crimes too, rap them up in a pretty bow

Huin

(92 posts)
5. Thanks and I hope so
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 06:33 PM
Feb 2019

but I am glad you seem to agree that one needs an overwhelmingly ironclad case to move the republican senators.

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