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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOne of Senator Klobuchar's accusers
is supposed to have been her body man or body woman. Doing personal stuff is a big part of that job. See this:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/report-klobuchars-staff-mistreatment-goes-back-a-decade.html
Then, see this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_man
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)The Russians have certainly been busy, haven't they?
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)arranging lodging, transportation, and meals, and providing snacks, a cell phone, and any other necessary assistance
and picking up and sorting dirty laundry, or washing dishes?
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Being a body man or woman is a job with no official body description. You do what is needed at the time. It's not a fun job. It's not an easy job. Sometimes, you end up doing menial things.
It's not a job I'd want, frankly.
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)Between being a personal maid (i.e. dealing with personal, often dirty, belongings) and providing professional support (taking place in the professional world - outside the intimacy of the home of the employer, to do what is necessary to make events run smoothly).
But aside from that, are you really willing to pay for Kobluchar (or anyone else) to have a personal maid for their home?
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)I'm not saying the expectations are RIGHT. But they're not unusual, and of course it's a woman who's being criticized for it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/harry-reid-rebuked-amy-klobuchar-for-mistreatment-of-staff/ar-BBTlRCy
Scoggin did not respond to interview requests. A former manager in the office said it was hard to imagine how Klobuchar created a morale problem given that most of the attorneys didnt have day-to-day contact with her. Can she be hard to work for? Yeah, because she never stops working, he said. And that burns some people out, and thats the job.
SNIP
Former members of her staff told HuffPost that Klobuchar ground down morale with constant and cruel late-night emails and claimed staff was required to perform personal duties for her such as washing dishes in her home in violation of the Senates rules and federal law against personal use of the office.
Other people in her Senate offices feel that many criticisms of Klobuchar could be a product of sexism, sources told HuffPost.
Ive heard people say shes tough to work for, and I sometimes cringe when I hear it because I rarely hear that said about male bosses in Congress despite the fact that half of Congress is tough to work for, said Tristan Brown, a former legislative aide.
Making personal demands of staff is an extremely common practice in the Senate and the body has weak procedures for enforcing its rules. The House, by contrast, calls out its members for breaking the same federal law somewhat more regularly.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)who required their staff members to wash dishes, pick up, and sort dirty laundry.
A generic "everyone does it," is not a counter to allegations regarding specific inappropriate tasks she is apparently requiring of her staff.
Unfortunatley, in my experience, politicians who have demanded their staff engage in personal grooming or housekeeping have been women. (One routinely required her staff attorneys to babysit, another required her (attorney) employee to drive her to and from events while she stripped and changed clothing in the back seat, and now Klobuchar). All three women, unfortunately.
In contrast, similarly situated male politicians had their staff attorneys doing legal work (i.e. what they were hired to do) or - at worst - campaigning.
I want her representing our interests 100% !!!
jalan48
(13,859 posts)that picking up dirty laundry and and washing the dishes is a normal part of their body's work routine. Why allow her to twist in the wind over something that's considered normal behavior?
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Scoggin did not respond to interview requests. A former manager in the office said it was hard to imagine how Klobuchar created a morale problem given that most of the attorneys didnt have day-to-day contact with her. Can she be hard to work for? Yeah, because she never stops working, he said. And that burns some people out, and thats the job.
SNIP
Former members of her staff told HuffPost that Klobuchar ground down morale with constant and cruel late-night emails and claimed staff was required to perform personal duties for her such as washing dishes in her home in violation of the Senates rules and federal law against personal use of the office.
Other people in her Senate offices feel that many criticisms of Klobuchar could be a product of sexism, sources told HuffPost.
Ive heard people say shes tough to work for, and I sometimes cringe when I hear it because I rarely hear that said about male bosses in Congress despite the fact that half of Congress is tough to work for, said Tristan Brown, a former legislative aide.
Making personal demands of staff is an extremely common practice in the Senate and the body has weak procedures for enforcing its rules. The House, by contrast, calls out its members for breaking the same federal law somewhat more regularly.
jalan48
(13,859 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)because either they do it themselves or they are close to other Senators who do.
jalan48
(13,859 posts)dalton99a
(81,451 posts)From dawn to what was often the middle of the night, I was a witness not only to history, but to a side of the man few got to see.
We became friends, eventually even something close to family. I carried snacks and the luggage, babysat for the children of world leaders, prepped the teleprompter and the operator, and handled a million other tasks that came up on the fly.
"Power Forward: My Presidential Education"
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)do the dishes or laundry at your home.
No matter what business you're in.
She gave a great speech today.
dsc
(52,155 posts)I would have a problem with a tax payer paid employee being told to so household tasks but not with a personally paid one.
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)(there are separate discussions about the different campaign employees.)
dsc
(52,155 posts)not from treatment of the employee standpoint but from a use of tax dollars standpoint. If she wants a housekeeper let her hire one and pay for one.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)So yes, their function could very well include dropping off and picking up the Senator's laundry, or even lunch or coffee. Personally, I don't like anyone touching my clothes after my mom turned taking care of them over to me, but other people have no issue with letting other people transport their clothes to and from the laundry.
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)thug tactics are being used to smear these candidates. And if these allegations are true, they should have a investigating committee.
these repigs will do everything and anything to smear Democratic candidates male or female, to steal away power.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Did the employee think she was working for her mother? Good grief.
safeinOhio
(32,673 posts)record, work and police.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)of her announcement.
One of Klobuchar's strengths till now has always been her perceived likability among voters, and someone is determined to undermine that, at the same moment that she's trying to make a big splash.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)And it's following a pattern, the repetitions of the criticism (which amplifies the original sin) and the kneecapping at the start. In this case, it's before Klobucher had a chance to come out of the gate full steam.
This is a coordinated smear machine grinding into life. And the media, even a MSNBC picks these cookies up and runs with them, repeats the story, gives it another cycle of life. Elizabeth Warren's DNA snafu, for instance. Which is deliberately being repeated to turn it into a 2016 'but . . .but her emails' moment.
Same playbook. Same players.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Huffington Post writer originally pushing this story appears to be a woman focused on denigrating Democratic candidates and politicians. One Molly Reddens.
Quixote1818
(28,928 posts)I can't imagine Reid doing this if there hadn't been some kind of actual issue.
https://www.scribd.com/document/399214761/AFSCME-Letter-on-Amy-Klobuchar-2006#from_embed
https://politicalwire.com/2019/02/08/reid-rebuked-klobuchar-for-mistreatment-of-staff/
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Has HuffPo every gotten anything wrong?
Quixote1818
(28,928 posts)She was one of my top choices as you can see from my pasts posts, so I am just trying to get the full picture.
https://www.scribd.com/document/399214761/AFSCME-Letter-on-Amy-Klobuchar-2006#from_embed
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)So, even if Reid did this, it carries little weight with me.
Demit
(11,238 posts)And it's all to distract us from what we SHOULD be looking for in a president. Policies! Vision! Ability to lead!
I don't care how candidates eat their food. I don't care if they're short with their staff sometimes or ask them to pick up their drycleaning. Jesus Mary & Joseph, this is nitpicking of the most ridiculous kind and we're falling for it.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)in the Senate with assets (which I assume includes all retirement accounts) of about $1M. Her annual salary is $174K. With that she has to maintain residences in both Washington DC and in Minnesota.
She probably puts in 80 hrs/week which does not leave much time to do those day to day activities.
I am not saying it is right that she uses staff in an unapproved manner, but why is it that only rich people can be Senators and Representatives?
Really can we stop with the Warren crap and this crap. I really wish we could get to discussing the issues and trying to break through the firewall of ignorance in this country which is truly amazing.
If not, we are doomed as a country.
ooky
(8,922 posts)Its all this garbage M$M wants to discuss. People watch M$M, then bring it here.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I've been tasked with going through my candidate's closet to pick out clothes appropriate for XYZ event. I've also been tasked with doing things like making sure her cell phone was charged.
The campaign trail gets very hectic. Sometimes staff are needed for little things like charging a cell phone (as the candidate might forget to).