So, no comment - Hoping we aren't caving and giving Trump some $$ for border barrier??

[Laura PourMeADrink]

that's what CNN is saying - something like $1.375 b for border barrier. Now they are saying steel slats ok. No deal on capping beds like we wanted per cnn.

Hmmmmm. Don't understand the strategy. If you give him a dime he'll act like he got $5.7 b.

Hope we get tons of important stuff for doing this. Or hope it's not true ~

ON EDIT: THIS DEAL IS WAY TOO FLUID TO EVEN KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. MSNBC AND CNN ARE SAYING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT FENCING AND BED LIMITS. WE'LL SEE

[RandySF]

1. Fencing, etc

stuff we already use, plus high-tech surveillance.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. Well I hope it's defined and he's penned in.

[dixiegrrrrl]

25. He's penned in...ironically...literally

Because I heard that McConnell ( Repubs) and Dems have offered this BUT Trump has to sign off on it.

Now they can point to his signature when he changes his mind.
If he signs it,

If he doesn't, all fingers point to Trump as the one causing the problem, and causing any shut-down.

[brush]

28. trump got screwed again. He got less than Dec. deal...

he refused to sign, 1.375B instead of 2.whatever it was. That will only construct 55 miles of steel slats. No concrete wall, period.

He also got fewer beds for ICE but a few more than the Dems wanted. That's the compromise Dems used to get the deal struck.

We won this as trump can't go around claiming he got his money for the wall, and if he tries declaring an emergency it will not pass the House and most likely not the Senate either.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

29. Thanks. Are you saying the last deal before shutdown ( $2 b something) allowed him to build more NEW

Steel slat fencing? I thought it was just repair of existing. He acted like he was offered nothing for new since then.

[brush]

32. Whatever the number was in Dec. the Dems still said...

no wall money. Same this time but there's allowance for strenthening and repair of existing structures. trump will probably try to use the 1.375B for steel slats but that's why I mentioned it'll only get him 55 miles worth.

As we here all know even the 5.7B he's been asking for is just a piddling amount needed for a two thousand mile wall. He's been bullshitting the country all along and if he had gotten the 5.7B he would've been back for more and more and more if he had gotten away with it. Some estimated that the total cost of a wall was really over 50B.

Nancy and the Dems kicked his ass again.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. Not to beat a dead horse, but there's a difference between

55 mi of brand new fence like steel slat, and strengthening/repairing 55 MI of existing fence that's in need of repair. Guess we'll find out soon enough. I am guessing it is the former since Dems talking about the associated landowner issues on TX border.

[spanone]

2. That's what they originally offered him ....the bipartisan agreement that trump stiffed

and no 'wall' language.

[mobeau69]

5. Actually, it's less. I think it was 1.67. LOL.

The Great Negotiator.

[Clash City Rocker]

6. He could have just accepted that, called it a wall

And his followers would have cheered for it and said he delivered what he promised. But he was worried about what Limbaugh and Coulter would say. That’s where our country is today - hate radio hacks and third-world dictators tell our president to jump, and he says “how high?”

[EleanorR]

9. was it part of the original agreement offered back in December?

[spanone]

17. Per Lawrence O'donnell show: 1.375 billion for border barriers...excluding concrete wall (55miles)

no cap on beds....

funds 40,000 beds - more then dems wanted / less than trump wanted

[EleanorR]

20. Dec. agreement was indeed 1.6 million for fence and trump said no

So now he's settling for less after putting the country through the shutdown.


From December-

In an 11th-hour attempt at compromise, McConnell proposed approving a spending bill that would include $1.6 billion for border fencing

[spanone]

21. He's a loser.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

30. Love your peace dove

[spanone]

31. Thanks....

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. Think that they said he could do steel slats which he will declare as a wall win

[NRaleighLiberal]

3. here's the thing - it doesn't matter what happens - he will lie and his cult will believe it.

I am watching CNN too - gaslighter in chief.

We are more than two years in to solid non stop lies and the MSM still acts surprised and shocked.

This is simply unprecedented in this country, this level of countless lies.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. I know. I just thought, just this once, we would hold strong. Reminds me of the

Kavenaugh hearing - we caused a stir at the start and then showed up anyway. Ready for us to be bolder and actually hold fast on something. Not a dime.

I will try not to fret until I hear the deal. But, you are 100% right - he will spin it his way with boldface lies. Although he seemed like he couldn't spin that he couldn't get his wall since two weeks ago.

[manor321]

4. Please pay attention. It is not caving. Trump does NOT get his wall

He's not getting his wall. The only thing in the bill is typical fencing that has been done for years, and a lot less money than what was asked for. It's just typical border security money.

im too worn out to watch this speech. but am i understanding this right that he's giving his wall speech while it's being announced that he only gets a fence?

Link to tweet

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. We'll see - hope you and Josh are right.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

10. They're right. It's a big cave.

Reducing the number of ICE beds is a big win for Dems too.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

22. Supposedly they didn't get the bed deal :( per cnn

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. ok - this is WAY to fluid. MSNBC said we got the bed deal, cnn no.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. P.S. "Please pay attention" rude

[INdemo]

12. Republicans have acted like this since the beginning of the Republican party

Herbert Hoover tried to take credit for the New Deal......


No...... Not really but I wouldn't doubt that he did after all its success

[Hekate]

14. Nancy Pelosi. Does. Not. Cave.

Just in case you didn't notice before.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. Here's more of an update.

snip
The lawmakers wouldn’t divulge details of the deal, only saying it had been reached “in principle,” but a Democratic congressional aide briefed on the matter said the committee has agreed to tuck away $1.375 billion for the construction of 55 miles of “bollard fencing” — “no wall” — while reducing the number of detention beds at the disposal of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency by 17.4%, from 49,057 to 40,520.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-negotiators-border-deal-shutdown-20190211-story.html

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. At this point - not sure what we got - no bed deal per cnn and giving him $$. nt

[BigmanPigman]

16. Whatever they give him he will rip it up when Ann Coulter tweets about

him being a loser.

WORST DEAL MAKER EVER!!!!!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. they just said it equates to 55 miles of border barrier. I did read that on average,

based on Bush and Obama efforts, landowners were paid $300k per mile. Guess that's factored in.

Wish they would insure it's open bid on supplies and materials - just to make sure he doesn't go with the Canadian supplier that manufactures steel slats and is 1/2 owned by Russians.

[Doreen]

26. OK

I know the wall is involved with this and the beds. What is everything else that is in this agreement that is supposed to happen? We are so focused on the wall and beds we must be looking over other things.

[Midnightwalk]

27. 2020 prediction: Brown people are coming

I think a shutdown would get ugly fast with air travel shut down pretty fast. We've seen reports of sick outs today.

Not sure what will happen immediately. The reduction in detention beds will either be ignored and we'll have to fight in court or we'll go through another hopefully short shutdown on the way to another CR.

No matter what's in the bill, the wall, AKA "brown people are coming" will be one of their campaign issues in 2020.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

34. Ya well, last chapter, he had zero leverage this go around and

Somehow he got NEW wall/barrier money. (Albeit a pawdry 55 miles) And there will be more beds. Last time NO new wall money.

Bright side, govt won't shut down. But that was what repukes wanted too - no shutdown - which should have given us more leverage, no?

If I am missing what we got out of it and how this was a brilliant negotiation...I will totally stand corrected.