Poll shows looming mess

[struggle4progress]

By Aaron Blake
February 12 at 1:01 PM

... Americans say 45 percent to 43 percent that Mueller has not proven that members of Trump’s 2016 campaign lied about their contacts with Russians, despite the fact that both Michael Cohen and Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to exactly that ...

Fully 75 percent of Republicans say such lies have not been proven, although they have been, legally speaking ...

Americans are also confused about whether Mueller has proven collusion or obstruction of justice by Trump ... But that leaves 34 percent and 28 percent, respectively,.. believe Mueller has proven those things. And here’s the thing: He hasn’t even alleged them yet ...

It’s possible that once Mueller issues his report, all this confusion will suddenly disappear ...

But the truth seems much more likely to reside somewhere in the murky middle ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/12/this-new-poll-shows-our-looming-mueller-mess/?utm_term=.a3af6ffc0de1

[grumpyduck]

1. Who gives a crap about polls?

These polls are baloney. People are just guessing. The report isn't out yet, and Mueller is doing exactly the correct thing by keeping it close to the vest.

When it comes out, we'll know. If it's released.

[Hortensis]

18. Exactly. And people are sporting their jerseys while they don't know.

It won't play out just like Nixon because the crimes are dfifferent and today's Republicans are scary-ready to overthrow our constitutional republic to keep and grow power.

But Nixon, who had had low approval -- too moderate and progressive to appeal to the trumpsters of those days, was strongly defended by them once in trouble, and they reelected him by a very high margin in the middle of the investigation. In that respect, this is Watergate redux.

[leftynyc]

2. The report hasn't been released so

polls are especially worthless. Trash this thread.

[DemocracyMouse]

28. Trash useful sociology? I suggest the following:

GIVEN that this poll shows that Trump/Russian psychological attacks on US citizens are making a large dent in their reasoning abilities:

One prominent Dem per week should take a turn REPEATING the facts going back two years that substantiate Russian collusion/conspiracies, obstruction of justice and money laundering. They must also repeatedly point out which weekly nonsense is a diversion.

Repetition of lies MUST be met with repetition of truth.

Seriously. That's what we do with useful sociological data to save our country. We're under massive psy-ops attack.

[Doodley]

29. You are correct. Trump has been allowed to get away with his lies, and his supporters don't

have a clue that what he says is untrue. The lies need to be corrected and Trump needs to be held to account for each and every lie.

[DemocracyMouse]

30. Yes, but correct the lies through REPETITION of truth

[elleng]

4. Mueller hasn't proven anything yet,

has not issued a report, but his work has resulted in 'several' pleas, sentences, and pending sentences.

When a report is issued, much 'confusion' will disappear.

[bdamomma]

5. I think this thread may interest you.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142264304

[struggle4progress]

19. Thanks!

[0rganism]

6. they're polling this before reports from Mueller and various house committees

all people have to go on so far is a handful of convictions and Trump & friends repeatedly denying it, over and over and over again. if it weren't for those convictions and such evidence as has already gone public, my guess is it would be more like 30-70 than 43-45.

it's still much too soon to say anything definitive, but i'm sure Trump will tout this polling saying shit like, "Americans overwhelmingly know I've been exonerated," and so on, and his base will love it. makes me wonder if Trump is paying for the polls himself.

[ExciteBike66]

7. I'm optimistic. Mueller has said very little (as he should), so that might affect things nt

[gratuitous]

8. Exactly

Considering there has been no public report issued by the Special Counsel, the fact that 43% of respondents already believe the Trump campaign was in cahoots with the Russians is a good starting point. When the report and its supporting evidence come out, that 43% is going to grow substantially. This poll is just click-bait, and intended to provide Trump's supporters with solace against all evidence to the contrary.

[Journeyman]

9. They're like the audience at a three act play, decrying there's no resolution in the first act . . .

[BigmanPigman]

10. Half of the popularion couldn't find DC on a map...

many do not keep up with current events and politics unless it directly effects them. A lot of people in this country still has a high degree of willful ignorance and apathy when it comes to the govt.

[bdamomma]

20. that's why we

are in the mess we are in. They need to bring back civic classes.

[BigmanPigman]

21. You're preaching to the choir.

I wrote to the Education Dept of my state year in and year out asking for Civics before High School grades. I taught it to my First Graders through "sneak teaching". That is what we teachers have to do now. If you are caught by an administrator teaching anything that isn't allowed during a block schedule for certain subject you get into trouble. Reading, Writing and Math and test prep and NOTHING else except "teach to the test" all day, every day. Kids have to start young but at their level and it does work!

[lindysalsagal]

11. The question isn't a question yet. Ignore.

He's got lots of people in jail, indicted and cooperating. He's proven that there's there there. That's all until he gets all of his ducks in row and reveals the evidence.

[democratisphere]

12. When Mueller releases his report, everything will be crystal clear

regardless of what Democrats or redumbliCONS say, believe or feel. There will be collusion and conspiracy.

[CousinIT]

13. When we have IDIOT media like Ken Dilanian (NBC) et al MISreporting on all this

And MAGAts jumping all over that, it's no wonder American's don't have a clue.

Too many of them are not the brightest bulbs in the Worldwide box to start with.

[COLGATE4]

14. Polls also show that a sizeable percent of our fellow citizens

believe the earth is flat. Moral of this story: You can't fix stupid.

[bdamomma]

23. I like that comment

you can't fix stupid. Yes indeed

[marlakay]

15. The reason is because Mueller has been so

Careful not to giveout hardly any info and we know all the people watching Fox will think its fake news.

Trump has been good at getting his people to doubt facts on the news.

[ProudLib72]

16. Where do those people in the 45% believe chocolate milk comes from?

And if you remember the thread I'm referring to, you can probably guess just what I think of those idiots who were polled.

[Wounded Bear]

22. Everybody knows chocolate milk comes from brown cows...

[ProudLib72]

24. Eggzaktly!

Brown cows give us chocolate milk! Pink cows give us strawberry milk.

[allgood33]

17. The media angers me by constantly promoting Trump's "no collusion" bull shit.

There is an arsenal of bad deeds and corrupt practices to defraud the US government out there against Trump and all his administration. They refuse to highlight any of this and just keep on and on about "no collusion" and now "no direct evidence."

There wasn't any direct evidence against Hillary either but that didn't stop the GOP from two years of Benghazi and e-mails.

[D_Master81]

25. This poll is completely useless

He hasnt proven anything???? He hasnt released anything!!!!!!! What will people say when it is released? And this is what happens when you have the bully pulpit of the Presidency, RW talk radio and Fox News taking a shit on the Mueller probe day after day for 2 years.

[shanny]

26. almost all of Mueller's findings have been under wraps at this point

I appreciate WaPos concern, but it is premature

[stillcool]

27. and that's how..

facts are made.

[aikoaiko]

31. I recall in the 90s how many democrats debated whether BJs were sex and the meaning of is

When discussing the merits of the Starr prosecution and Bill Clinton's denials and deposition.