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(8,028 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)He needs to sign it to day to ward of a shutdown. Normally, he makes a bit deal of signing things. I wonder...
hlthe2b
(102,233 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)So, the question remains. Is he going to sign it? When?
Or, is he going to create suspense by not signing it until the last possible moment?
SOB!
dmr
(28,347 posts)I'm sorry, I wish I could remember. I'm sure it was something relatively minor, otherwise I'd remember.
But as I said it was done with none of his attention-seeking, over-dramatic, proud of himself flair. My bet, he was hiding it from his deplorables.
Like you, I want an answer to your question.
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)Still trying to find out the fate of the appropriations.
He's supposed to be flying down to Florida today from what I keep seeing reported on DU.
malaise
(268,952 posts)but what would be the point?
Mme. Defarge
(8,028 posts)to avoid more bad press, but I will feel much better knowing it has been signed since he is, after all, Mr. Bait & Switch.
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)"I'm going to be signing a national emergency, and it's been signed many times before, by many presidents. It's rarely been a problem ... nobody cared," the president said during unscripted remarks Friday in the White House Rose Garden. White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders then shared an image that she said showed Trump signing the declaration.
Source: Sarah Huckabee Sanders | The White House.
President Donald Trump signs the Declaration for a National Emergency to address the national security and humanitarian crisis at the Southern Border.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Emergency Declaration. I have not seen anyone say he signed the funding bill. I'm a bit worried about that.
onenote
(42,700 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Good.
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)All it says is what it is in it.
onenote
(42,700 posts)So there's no reason to think he wouldn't sign it. Plus, he described the 8 billion as including the money from the budget bill. I'm willing to bet that he has signed it/will sign it. He won't pose for the cameras, but he's not vetoing it.
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)And you should know better about this part -
There was "no reason to think he wouldn't sign" the C.R. presented to him previously until scum like Stephen Miller and the excrement from RW talk radio hosts convinced him not to.
(now retired 30+ year fed here and trust me, when you are a fed, you know the consequences)
EDIT TO ADD - WaPo just sent a breaking news that he FINALLY signed it.
Here is the breaking -
By John Wagner ,
Josh Dawsey and
Damian Paletta
February 15 at 3:33 PM
BREAKING: Another shutdown is averted. President Trump has signed a sweeping spending bill hours before funding expired for parts of the government.
Funding for nine Cabinet departments and dozens of other agencies would have expired at midnight Friday.
This story will be updated.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-border-emergency-the-president-plans-a-10-am-announcement-in-the-rose-garden/2019/02/15/f0310e62-3110-11e9-86ab-5d02109aeb01_story.html?utm_term=.3d61769df26c
(for some reason WaPo is displaying 1 hour ahead)
onenote
(42,700 posts)It was folly to think that he wouldn't. It passed by veto proof majorities in the House and Senate. There was zero chance he would set himself to have a veto overridden.
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)I don't understand why folks give him a benefit of any doubt.
People who run "businesses" with little or no knowledge of government, have a very hard time understanding protocol and procedure and "rules".
onenote
(42,700 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)They have framed this whole thing (including other "controversial" legislation) as Congress not having any other option - either it is "signed" or it goes nowhere. They refuse to even consider that Congress can "override" if they so choose.
onenote
(42,700 posts)It describes the votes approving the budget bill as "veto proof". And if he had vetoed the bill - it would have been huge news and there would be a lot of attention paid to it. It would have been his first veto. And as noted, he cares more about winning and losing than anything. So far he hasn't vetoed any bills and hasn't had any bills overridden. The last time a president who served a full term didn't veto any bills was Martin Van Buren and the last time a president didn't have any vetoes overridden was LBJ. If you don't think not getting overridden is important to Trump you haven't been paying enough attention to him.
But, this is all academic, because as predicted, he signed the bill.
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)due to what the vote margin was, but while the negotiations were going on, they weren't. It became an "all or nothing" framing. You can search for posts here on DU with me ranting about it.
It was the same nonsense they did during the year of the ACA debate, where every iteration of the legislation that was made public was claimed by the media as "the bill", neglecting to mention that at least 3 - 4 committees from each chamber were producing different "versions", and all of them had to be reconciled to create a SINGLE version to be voted on - and the same (identical) version had to be passed by BOTH chambers.
They have really done a disservice.
getagrip_already
(14,736 posts)He has what, 2 weeks to sign a bill? He doesn't need to do it immediately. Congress couldn't take any action until he vetoed it.
So it would still be a shutdown. He is petty enough to do that.
onenote
(42,700 posts)It makes zero sense to think he'd undermine that declaration by not signing it and instead having the disruption of another government shutdown steal his thunder of what he considers a great day in his presidency.
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)because someone has convinced him that he could get his money elsewhere.
If you listened to his babble today, he had a whole run-on statement about the various RW nutjobs who he claims he didn't know or care about yet knew their names and claimed he still "liked them" anyway and even praised for their large "audience". THEY are who he listens to (outside of his family and Miller) and who he seems to feel determines his "success".
spanone
(135,828 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I guess he did. Maybe he just didn't want to be seen signing it. I don't know.
brooklynite
(94,508 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)All the focus has been on the "national emergency" idiocy and even sites like CNBC blare that he "signed" but then the article text doesn't support that supposition whatsoever and still says he "will sign".
BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)By John Wagner ,
Josh Dawsey and
Damian Paletta
February 15 at 3:33 PM
BREAKING: Another shutdown is averted. President Trump has signed a sweeping spending bill hours before funding expired for parts of the government.
Funding for nine Cabinet departments and dozens of other agencies would have expired at midnight Friday.
This story will be updated.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-border-emergency-the-president-plans-a-10-am-announcement-in-the-rose-garden/2019/02/15/f0310e62-3110-11e9-86ab-5d02109aeb01_story.html?utm_term=.3d61769df26c
(for some reason WaPo is displaying 1 hour ahead)
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,895 posts)By John Wagner, Josh Dawsey and Damian Paletta
February 15 at 2:42 PM
President Trump signed a sweeping spending bill Friday afternoon, averting another partial government shutdown.
The action came after Trump had declared a national emergency in a move designed to circumvent Congress and build additional barriers at the southern border, where he said the United States faces an invasion of our country.
Trump is seeking to secure about $6.5 billion more in funding through executive action than Congress approved in a bill passed Thursday.
Many of Trumps Republican allies have called a national emergency ill-advised, and Democrats immediately called the move unconstitutional and vowed to fight it legislatively or in court. Trump also faced criticism for seeking to divert money from military construction and drug interdiction programs to pay for the border barriers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-border-emergency-the-president-plans-a-10-am-announcement-in-the-rose-garden/2019/02/15/f0310e62-3110-11e9-86ab-5d02109aeb01_story.html
This is all the impacted federal workers care about - that it IS signed!
In fact, I recall in the past, there was some bill that President Obama signed that was the "wrong" version.... and they had to quickly send him the correct one.
2naSalit
(86,571 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)signed it. Interesting that nobody really asked about that from the media earlier.
2naSalit
(86,571 posts)I'm sure he had to be prodded to put the pen to the paper.
I know there are some restrictions in there that protect the butterfly refuge and a few other sites. i hope there are a number of things that will truncate much of what he intends to do.