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So, Did Trump Sign the Bill? (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2019 OP
I am waiting for the answer to that question. Mme. Defarge Feb 2019 #1
Few seem to be asking it. It's my first question, actually. MineralMan Feb 2019 #4
well, he certainly didn't do so publicly and I've seen no image of the signed bill, so???? hlthe2b Feb 2019 #2
Then he didn't sign it. He loves showing his signature on things. MineralMan Feb 2019 #3
I don't recall what bill it was, but awhile back he did sign one quietly behind closed doors. dmr Feb 2019 #12
The "behind closed doors" was the "national emergency declaration" BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #15
Great question malaise Feb 2019 #5
Maybe he wants to downplay it Mme. Defarge Feb 2019 #7
Looks like he did: dalton99a Feb 2019 #6
According to the caption, that's him signing the MineralMan Feb 2019 #8
He's bragging that the bill was a big legislative victory, so I'm pretty sure he signed it. onenote Feb 2019 #9
Yes. It looks like he did. MineralMan Feb 2019 #11
There is nothing in that P.R. statement that says he "signed it". BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #16
It describes it as a big legislative win onenote Feb 2019 #17
A "big win" is not the same as legally making something into a law by signing it BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #19
Of course he signed it. onenote Feb 2019 #20
He doesn't care about that BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #22
He cares about winning and losing and having a veto overridden is losing. onenote Feb 2019 #23
The idiotic media won't even use the term "override a veto". BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #25
This article about the budget bill in the Washington Post says otherwise onenote Feb 2019 #29
They are doing it now - TODAY BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #33
I was afraid he would just sit on it..... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #31
Again. He has publicly declared it a big legislative victory onenote Feb 2019 #32
In his mind, declaring a "national emergency" made any need for government functioning irrelevant BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #34
he did it without live cameras so he wouldn't piss off ann coulter spanone Feb 2019 #18
Well a couple of news sites say he signed it. MineralMan Feb 2019 #10
You can track the Bill here... brooklynite Feb 2019 #13
I have been scouring the news sites looking to see if he actually did sign the appropriations BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #14
WaPo breaking - the bill has FINALLY been signed BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #21
Good! Finally! MineralMan Feb 2019 #24
Updated article with correct time BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #26
Just heard on NPR that he has signed it...nt 2naSalit Feb 2019 #27
It was unclear for a while. I'm glad to hear that he actually MineralMan Feb 2019 #28
Indeed. I was aking that right after the presser. 2naSalit Feb 2019 #30

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
4. Few seem to be asking it. It's my first question, actually.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:36 PM
Feb 2019

He needs to sign it to day to ward of a shutdown. Normally, he makes a bit deal of signing things. I wonder...

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
3. Then he didn't sign it. He loves showing his signature on things.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:35 PM
Feb 2019

So, the question remains. Is he going to sign it? When?

Or, is he going to create suspense by not signing it until the last possible moment?

SOB!

dmr

(28,347 posts)
12. I don't recall what bill it was, but awhile back he did sign one quietly behind closed doors.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:18 PM
Feb 2019

I'm sorry, I wish I could remember. I'm sure it was something relatively minor, otherwise I'd remember.

But as I said it was done with none of his attention-seeking, over-dramatic, proud of himself flair. My bet, he was hiding it from his deplorables.

Like you, I want an answer to your question.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
15. The "behind closed doors" was the "national emergency declaration"
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:23 PM
Feb 2019

Still trying to find out the fate of the appropriations.

He's supposed to be flying down to Florida today from what I keep seeing reported on DU.

Mme. Defarge

(8,028 posts)
7. Maybe he wants to downplay it
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:42 PM
Feb 2019

to avoid more bad press, but I will feel much better knowing it has been signed since he is, after all, Mr. Bait & Switch.

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
6. Looks like he did:
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:39 PM
Feb 2019
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/trump-national-emergency-declaration-border-wall-spending-bill.html

The president was slated to sign a government spending and border security plan into law with only hours to spare before parts of the government shut down Saturday. He also declared a national emergency to repurpose funds from other parts of the government to build his proposed border wall without congressional approval.

"I'm going to be signing a national emergency, and it's been signed many times before, by many presidents. It's rarely been a problem ... nobody cared," the president said during unscripted remarks Friday in the White House Rose Garden. White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders then shared an image that she said showed Trump signing the declaration.



Source: Sarah Huckabee Sanders | The White House.
President Donald Trump signs the Declaration for a National Emergency to address the national security and humanitarian crisis at the Southern Border.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
8. According to the caption, that's him signing the
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:43 PM
Feb 2019

Emergency Declaration. I have not seen anyone say he signed the funding bill. I'm a bit worried about that.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
17. It describes it as a big legislative win
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:28 PM
Feb 2019

So there's no reason to think he wouldn't sign it. Plus, he described the 8 billion as including the money from the budget bill. I'm willing to bet that he has signed it/will sign it. He won't pose for the cameras, but he's not vetoing it.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
19. A "big win" is not the same as legally making something into a law by signing it
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:34 PM
Feb 2019

And you should know better about this part -

So there's no reason to think he wouldn't sign it.


There was "no reason to think he wouldn't sign" the C.R. presented to him previously until scum like Stephen Miller and the excrement from RW talk radio hosts convinced him not to.

(now retired 30+ year fed here and trust me, when you are a fed, you know the consequences)

EDIT TO ADD - WaPo just sent a breaking news that he FINALLY signed it.

Here is the breaking -

Shutdown averted: President Trump has signed a sweeping spending bill hours before funding expired for parts of the government

By John Wagner ,
Josh Dawsey and
Damian Paletta
February 15 at 3:33 PM

BREAKING: Another shutdown is averted. President Trump has signed a sweeping spending bill hours before funding expired for parts of the government.

Funding for nine Cabinet departments and dozens of other agencies would have expired at midnight Friday.

This story will be updated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-border-emergency-the-president-plans-a-10-am-announcement-in-the-rose-garden/2019/02/15/f0310e62-3110-11e9-86ab-5d02109aeb01_story.html?utm_term=.3d61769df26c


(for some reason WaPo is displaying 1 hour ahead)

onenote

(42,700 posts)
20. Of course he signed it.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:39 PM
Feb 2019

It was folly to think that he wouldn't. It passed by veto proof majorities in the House and Senate. There was zero chance he would set himself to have a veto overridden.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
22. He doesn't care about that
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:41 PM
Feb 2019

I don't understand why folks give him a benefit of any doubt.

People who run "businesses" with little or no knowledge of government, have a very hard time understanding protocol and procedure and "rules".

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
25. The idiotic media won't even use the term "override a veto".
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:56 PM
Feb 2019

They have framed this whole thing (including other "controversial" legislation) as Congress not having any other option - either it is "signed" or it goes nowhere. They refuse to even consider that Congress can "override" if they so choose.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
29. This article about the budget bill in the Washington Post says otherwise
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:05 PM
Feb 2019
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/mcconnell-predicts-senate-passage-of-border-security-bill-hopes-trump-signs-it/2019/02/14/2f6e2cba-306f-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html?utm_term=.e4c5235c22ad

It describes the votes approving the budget bill as "veto proof". And if he had vetoed the bill - it would have been huge news and there would be a lot of attention paid to it. It would have been his first veto. And as noted, he cares more about winning and losing than anything. So far he hasn't vetoed any bills and hasn't had any bills overridden. The last time a president who served a full term didn't veto any bills was Martin Van Buren and the last time a president didn't have any vetoes overridden was LBJ. If you don't think not getting overridden is important to Trump you haven't been paying enough attention to him.

But, this is all academic, because as predicted, he signed the bill.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
33. They are doing it now - TODAY
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:29 PM
Feb 2019

due to what the vote margin was, but while the negotiations were going on, they weren't. It became an "all or nothing" framing. You can search for posts here on DU with me ranting about it.

It was the same nonsense they did during the year of the ACA debate, where every iteration of the legislation that was made public was claimed by the media as "the bill", neglecting to mention that at least 3 - 4 committees from each chamber were producing different "versions", and all of them had to be reconciled to create a SINGLE version to be voted on - and the same (identical) version had to be passed by BOTH chambers.

They have really done a disservice.

getagrip_already

(14,736 posts)
31. I was afraid he would just sit on it.....
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:15 PM
Feb 2019

He has what, 2 weeks to sign a bill? He doesn't need to do it immediately. Congress couldn't take any action until he vetoed it.

So it would still be a shutdown. He is petty enough to do that.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
32. Again. He has publicly declared it a big legislative victory
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:19 PM
Feb 2019

It makes zero sense to think he'd undermine that declaration by not signing it and instead having the disruption of another government shutdown steal his thunder of what he considers a great day in his presidency.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
34. In his mind, declaring a "national emergency" made any need for government functioning irrelevant
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:35 PM
Feb 2019

because someone has convinced him that he could get his money elsewhere.

If you listened to his babble today, he had a whole run-on statement about the various RW nutjobs who he claims he didn't know or care about yet knew their names and claimed he still "liked them" anyway and even praised for their large "audience". THEY are who he listens to (outside of his family and Miller) and who he seems to feel determines his "success".

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
10. Well a couple of news sites say he signed it.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:57 PM
Feb 2019

I guess he did. Maybe he just didn't want to be seen signing it. I don't know.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
14. I have been scouring the news sites looking to see if he actually did sign the appropriations
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:21 PM
Feb 2019

All the focus has been on the "national emergency" idiocy and even sites like CNBC blare that he "signed" but then the article text doesn't support that supposition whatsoever and still says he "will sign".

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
21. WaPo breaking - the bill has FINALLY been signed
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:39 PM
Feb 2019
Shutdown averted: President Trump has signed a sweeping spending bill hours before funding expired for parts of the government

By John Wagner ,
Josh Dawsey and
Damian Paletta
February 15 at 3:33 PM

BREAKING: Another shutdown is averted. President Trump has signed a sweeping spending bill hours before funding expired for parts of the government.

Funding for nine Cabinet departments and dozens of other agencies would have expired at midnight Friday.

This story will be updated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-border-emergency-the-president-plans-a-10-am-announcement-in-the-rose-garden/2019/02/15/f0310e62-3110-11e9-86ab-5d02109aeb01_story.html?utm_term=.3d61769df26c


(for some reason WaPo is displaying 1 hour ahead)

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
26. Updated article with correct time
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:00 PM
Feb 2019
Shutdown averted: President Trump has signed a sweeping spending bill hours before funding expired for parts of the government

By John Wagner, Josh Dawsey and Damian Paletta
February 15 at 2:42 PM

President Trump signed a sweeping spending bill Friday afternoon, averting another partial government shutdown.

The action came after Trump had declared a national emergency in a move designed to circumvent Congress and build additional barriers at the southern border, where he said the United States faces “an invasion of our country.”

Trump is seeking to secure about $6.5 billion more in funding through executive action than Congress approved in a bill passed Thursday.

Many of Trump’s Republican allies have called a national emergency ill-advised, and Democrats immediately called the move unconstitutional and vowed to fight it legislatively or in court. Trump also faced criticism for seeking to divert money from military construction and drug interdiction programs to pay for the border barriers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-border-emergency-the-president-plans-a-10-am-announcement-in-the-rose-garden/2019/02/15/f0310e62-3110-11e9-86ab-5d02109aeb01_story.html


This is all the impacted federal workers care about - that it IS signed!

In fact, I recall in the past, there was some bill that President Obama signed that was the "wrong" version.... and they had to quickly send him the correct one.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
28. It was unclear for a while. I'm glad to hear that he actually
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:03 PM
Feb 2019

signed it. Interesting that nobody really asked about that from the media earlier.

2naSalit

(86,571 posts)
30. Indeed. I was aking that right after the presser.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:07 PM
Feb 2019

I'm sure he had to be prodded to put the pen to the paper.

I know there are some restrictions in there that protect the butterfly refuge and a few other sites. i hope there are a number of things that will truncate much of what he intends to do.

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