Trump's Grand Coalition Against Iran Is Completely Falling Apart

[Soph0571]

France24 reports that Trump’s attempt to dissuade the Europeans from continuing their support for the 2015 Iran nuclear deal has backfired.

On Friday at a Munich security meeting, Germany’s foreign minister, Heiko Maas, replied to the chiding of Vice President Mike Pence that Iran is destabilizing the region. Maas remarked that “Together with the British, the French and the entire European Union, we have found a means to allow Iran to remain in the nuclear accord. Our objective remains the lack of nuclear weapons, precisely because Iran destablizes the region.” Without the accord, “the region will not be more secure, but would in fact take a further step toward open confrontation.”

Frederica Mogherini, the European Union’s High Representative for foreign affairs, said, “We think that [this accord] is fundamental and crucial for our security.” The agreement “is a basic pillar of the architecture of nuclear non-proliferation at the global level.”

[link:https://www.truthdig.com/articles/trumps-grand-coalition-against-iran-is-completely-falling-apart/|

EU will not back down to the idiot that is President.... because he is an idiot and they are grown ups who do not make decisions based on Fox News and ego.

[Chickensoup]

1. I believe the Saudis paid him and his son in law

To attack Iran on their behalf.
So to him it is all about money even if he
destabilize the region and the world.
Why else he became president?

[watoos]

5. It is about money,

but look a little closer.

Saudi Arabia wants to ship oil through a pipeline that has to go through Syria. Qatar has found a lot of natural gas that it wants to ship in a pipeline that must go through Syria. The gas and oil will then be shipped to the EU where Exxon-Mobil will get involved. One big problem; Assad won't allow their pipelines to go across his country. Instead Assad is allowing an Iran/Syria/Iraq pipeline to ship gas and Gazprom will be the investor/distributor not Exxon-Mobil. Iran will stand to gain influence in the region.

Now everyone tell me again about how Assad gassed his own people, tell me because he supposedly did this we must oust him from power. Tell me again about how Tulsi Gabbard is wrong about believing that it wasn't Assad who gassed his own people.

Sometimes we invade countries and say it is to remove a terrible dictator, let's say, like Iraq. Does anyone today believe that we invaded Iraq to oust Saddam because he had WMD? One person in the House of Representatives voted no, voted not to allow Bush to invade Iraq, that was Barbara Lee. Everyone else was wrong, dead wrong. We invaded Iraq over oil and to carry out the neocon PNAC plan.

Keep on believing that Assad gassed his own people, by the way, he is a terrible person who does murder his own people, but his gassing his own people was a false flag operation, and Tulsi is one of the few in Congress who sees it.

Use the Google machine and Google Iran/Iraq/Syria pipeline and stop bashing Tulsi, by the way, she's a Democrat last I checked.

[modrepub]

9. Interesting

but the fault lines in the ME almost always seem to run along Shia/Sunni breaks: Saudi (Sunni) and Iran (Shia). The only interesting development over the last decade is the Saudi/Israeli coalition of convenience against Iran and its Shia supporters in Iraq, Syria and one branch of the Palestinians. I think our relationship with the House of Saud is a really bad one; their version of Islam (Wahhabism) is very extreme, not that Iran is much better. The whole alliance breakdown in the ME seems to have come into play under the second Bush administration. Trump is just extending this in a much more open format; Pence's fundamentalist background conveniently aligns with Israel/Saudi coalition. If humanity can ever rid itself of its fossil fuel addiction, I believe those in the ME would continue their fights, be it amongst themselves, as they've done since antiquity.

[ewagner]

12. Good post...

The Shia and Sunni conflict has gone on "since antiquity" and will continue as long as the Saudis can retain claim to being "keepers of the faith".

If you want an eye-opening play-by-play analysis of the beginning of the current troubles, read A Peace to End All Peace by David Fromkin....

Even the British coalitions at the end of WWI were scared senseless of Ibn Saud and his Wahhabi warrior cult....

Any attempt to resolve the difficulties without adding the Shia/Sunni conflict into the equation (obviously with OIL factored in) is doomed to failure.

[mountain grammy]

10. Saddam was a dictator

But it was all about the oil and we all know it.

[McKim]

11. Excellent!

Your excellent post helps us see beneath the surface! Your frames are so important. Keep talking!

[tclambert]

2. But Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity might get made at them!

[Scarsdale]

3. Did little Mikey have to

report to tRump at his golf resort? Even sending his "prize pony" Ivanka did not convince the Europeans to bend to his will? The tRumps are obviously losing their touch, whatever "touch" they actually had. Guess the Europeans are not as easily fooled as the Magats in the US of A.

[pecosbob]

4. It's not about Trump or Pence

It's about Europe saying no to a war for Exxon and Putin with al-Saud and Likud cheering from the sideline. The neo-cons used to better at selling their wars...

[watoos]

7. Praise the Lord,

you get it. I thought I was a lone voice in the wilderness. You must have read "War is Hell" by Smedley Butler.

Saudi Arabia and Israel and Kushner and Trump have formed an alliance to take out Assad, Russia stepped in and nixed that plan. Trump then violates the Iran peace plan and withdraws as Bibi and MBS cheer on. Now Trump has basically fired a voice of reason, General Mattis, plus he has added John Bolton to his cabinet who has always wanted to go to war with Iran. The leaders of Europe understand what is going on it's only people in the U.S. who are blinded by our right wing corporate controlled M$M who are in the dark.

[pdsimdars]

6. In other words, they are heeding Ann Coulter's advice -- he is an idiot.

[watoos]

8. You bet,

war with Iran would make the Iraq war look like a cake walk. Iran is much better equipped to defend itself.

[malaise]

13. Good

Rec