I am usually a very forgiving person. I will never be able to forgive Trump voters.

[shockey80]

I have some friends, family members, coworkers who voted for Trump. Some of them are good people. I have been civil with them when it comes to Trump. I have been waiting for the inevitable to happen before I really tell them what I think about them. I have been waiting for the Mueller report and the removal of Trump.

When this happens I will tell them who they are and what they did. If they don't like it and no longer want anything to do with me that will be a blessing, Good riddance.

They supported a traitor and they turned against our constitution, our laws. They gave up all morals in order to support a fraud.

I will tell them they put themselves, all Americans, the entire country at risk. I will tell them they are complete fools.

When the inevitable happens and if I somehow remain on good terms with the Trump voters I know, which is doubtful, I will never ever trust them with anything because I will know deep down inside they are fools.

[superpatriotman]

1. Cult deprogramming will be a booming business

[shockey80]

3. How can we forgive self destructive madness?

[EndGOPPropaganda]

6. Blame Rupert Murdoch and Rush Limbaugh

And Hugh Hewitt and Frank Luntz and Hannity and Carlson and a Coulter and the rest of the GOP liars.

The main causes of our current national crisis are the conservative liars who brainwash the GOP base. No one bears more responsibility than them. Without rightwing propaganda, Trump would be out by now.

[handmade34]

19. I blame

Republican politicians... who allow(ed) this to happen, who rigged elections, who disregarded the will of the people, who turn their eyes from poverty, racism, exploitation, pollution, climate change, oppression, etc.....

[EndGOPPropaganda]

36. But the rightwing billionaires OWN the Republican politicians

And the rightwing media propagandists own the politicians too.

Look at Mark Sanford - he got turfed out for criticizing Trump. Because Fox and Limbaugh turned on him.

And the Koches picked dumb, white Republican polticians and fund them -- then they dispose of them when they are no longer useful to the billionaires. Guys like Paul Ryan, Rick Santorum, Scott Walker, Kobach, George W Bush, Pat Toomey. The politicians are a dime a dozen; they're disposable. The billionaires will find ANOTHER politician whenever they need one.

It is Fox and Limbaugh, and rightwing billionaires, that are the true problem we need to address.

[Pepsidog]

31. Yes,Yes Yes, Trump supporters are simply the logical result for 30 years of Fox and the Christian

right attacks on our social, economic and political identity. After years of attacking liberals, the right got Bush who was bad ans we thought we had hit rock bottom. After 8 years of Dems and Obama putting the country back together in the face of Republican intransigence, we thought we had turned the corner as a country, we didn’t. We underestimated the American capacity for hatred and racism. Most Republicans who I know say Obama set race relations back 50 years because their hatred has only intensified. I ha e all but written off most Republican friends. Only a complete economic collapse of the economy where people feel real pain will Trumpers understand how misinformed and ignorant they are and have been. Also, Fox must go.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

35. Exactly. The root problems: Billionaires, rightwing media, Republicans.

Only a complete economic collapse of the economy where people feel real pain will Trumpers understand how misinformed and ignorant they are and have been. Also, Fox must go.

Jesus this is scary.

Remember in Germany it took total catastrophic defeat to oercome their propaganda. What you say is a worry of mine too.

[Pepsidog]

44. Sadly real pain is the only things that will snap people out of this Republican trance.

[Stargleamer]

61. Rescinding the Fairness Doctrine made this propaganda preliferation

even worse. Once the FCC rescinded the Fairness Doctrine, propaganda really took off.

[Fuzzpope]

15. No, it won't.

These people are in the fucking Void, they are lost.

They will not soul seek and face down the reality of their own twisted depravity in embracing such human filth as Trump.

No, they will immediately begin seeking out as congruent a replacement for Trump as they can find, and onto the pedastal that new Death Eater will go, howling and belching the lunatic music to their ears they have come to depend upon so greatly. Life without such after the opening of Pandora's box would be a constant torture.

Can you imagine the level of suffering they would endure being robbed of the courage to call some lovely human being a "dirty n#gger", or restrain themselves from bashing in the head of a 97 year old man with a brick because he was Mexican?

They will mobilize for Trump's successor at light speed. I guarantee you that there are at least three Republican congressmen right now ready to assume the role.

[kskiska]

37. They're the same people who supported George W. Bush

and his Iraq War. Now they purport to hate him, having found yet another Messiah who's even more hateful than the last one. They'll seek to find yet another one.

[Paladin]

2. You and me both. To hell with them. (nt)

[thegoose]

4. The entire world at risk

When America is hated evil comes out.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

5. But remember some are merely brainwashed. Propaganda works

Fox and Limbaugh are POWERFUL propaganda, that tell Trump voters that Democrats are worse and excuse Republican atrocious actions. Many Trumpers are totally misled; they’re not operating from the truth. They’re lied to.

If you haven’t watched the movie “Brainwashing of My Dad”, please do- it will help you understand some of the less-deplorable Trump voters.

[Larrybanal]

23. willful ignorance is more like it

and you actually need to brain to be brainwashed

[EndGOPPropaganda]

26. The propagandists are most at fault - Murdoch, Limbaugh

http://www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com/

[procon]

7. I had the same feeling with Bush.

A the end of his fiasco, you couldn't find any Republican who would admit voting for him. Lessons learned... zip... nada... nothing... zero. They all returned to vote for Trump and its lather, rinse, repeat all over again.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

28. This time we have to hold people responsible. Prosecutions where warranted

[oasis]

8. 80% of MAGAt Deplorables would vote for the likes of David Duke.

They are bent that way.

[Hulk]

16. Exactly!

I could overlook someone voting for the con artist. HRC was the choice, and there was so much hate spewed out for years over the poor woman. She's done more for women and earning respect around the world, but not enough to beat down the propaganda machine of fox and the reich wing radio.

The problem for me is those that still stand by him, after ALL that has transpired since he invaded the White House. That, to me, is unforgivable. They have seen the proof of their stupid decision, and like the con artist openly stated, he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue, and the cult following would still stand by him. He didn't say, but he could have, I could lie to them a thousand times and they would still believe me. I could insult our friends around the world, and they would think I am somehow furthering American interests around the world. I can meet with dictators all around the world, and they would find a way to believe I stand for free people and American values.

Those people, the ones that didn't dessert him two weeks after he began his streak of non stop lies, are the ones that can go straight to hell. Those are the ones who are deplorable enough to put their own selfish interests ahead of our country's well being. Fuck them all. Nope, anybody that supports that piece of shit today is the problem. Those are the verified and true deplorable thugs and brain dead fools of this country. Nation of morons.

[oasis]

17. +1

[albacore]

9. I think the division will never be healed...

All the reliable polls show that trump has approval in the 90% range from Republicans.
Two countries.

[empedocles]

10. trump voters are not all MAGAt

A significant number of apparent trump voters just do not like 'aspects' of the dem alternative.

[shockey80]

11. That is not a legitimate excuse for voting for Trump.

There is no excuse for voting for Trump. NONE!

[empedocles]

39. I agree, however, the reality is that what we have things to deal with to win.

The 81% of voters who do not have a positive opinion of socialism [seminal NBC poll], is a factor in any winning equation.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

29. Because Fox and Limbaugh LIE to them about the Dems

That's the propaganda/brainwashing aspect.

[Merlot]

12. They are republican voters. trumpfts policies are republican policies.

People who voted for trumpft are republicans. One day trumpft will be gone, republican policies will remain. We need to out vote them.

[onecaliberal]

13. You're in good company

[jodymarie aimee]

14. what about the 49% who stayed home...

they found both candidates equally reprehensible...and they are also responsible for this shit president...

[Runningdawg]

18. Trump voters are too stupid to know any better

The ones who knew better and threw away their votes or stayed home....still on my list.

[Scruffy1]

20. Most voters don't look at a big picture.

I had a young gal tell me that she liked Trump because she got a job after he was elected. If you are broke and unemplyed this is a big deal. Of course it probably had nothing to do with Trump, but that's what she honestly felt. The media has been running stories about how some Trump voters have turned against him because their refund was less. The only thing they see is their paycheck. Of course, logic has little to with it, but there is a good lesson to be learned from these people. Candidates need to be tuned into the voters enough to break down how they could personally benefit from policies. The moral high ground and other abstractions don't get a lot of votes. They are always going to be asking "What's in it for me?"
I'm not talking about hardcore nut cases, but the voters who don't pay much attention to politics. Unfortunately, these are the ones who decide elections. I'm convinced we have a replay of 2008 where the Democrats ending up holding the bag after another Republican wreckage of the economy. The master puppeteers pulling the strings have it all worked out. Plunder and wreck the economy and leave the mess to someone else. Historically, I think the lection of 2016 was one of the biggest disasters to befall the USA. The damage will take many yaers to repair.

[scarytomcat]

21. hopefully there will be a time to heal

but right now I totally agree with you.
Being told I should be put in a straight jacket and hauled off to a mental institution because I don't see the greatness of dim no wit makes me angry.
And I'm sure they will be snarky toward the next Dem Pres so then we can hate them some more but for now they are brain washed and lied to. It is really sad and I do not know what to do for them. So I will avoid most interaction.

[BamaRefugee]

22. They'll simply deny they supported him. I remember after Nixon, you couldn't find ANYONE who had

voted for him. Except Roger Stone.

[world wide wally]

24. You have to have a propensity toward bigoted hatred to buy into it and vote to make a

bigoted hater your President.
No excuses whatsoever. Just keep in mind that there are more f us than there are of them.
Work to get out the vote! (and just tell the haters to fuck off)

[Kurt V.]

25. no way in hell could i ever feel that way

[Dan]

27. I'm thinking something like this

By voting for Trump,
You allowed your hatred for Hillary,
To overcome your love of our Country.

[czarjak]

30. Being declared the winner of an election even he said was "rigged"...

Gives them an out.

[Rorey]

32. Too much damage has been done

I also am generally a very forgiving person, but I don't foresee myself forgiving for this.

[FM123]

33. I can forgive the trump voter who was gullible and believed his lies in the beginning

but after it became VERY CLEAR that he was a liar, a con man, a traitor etc etc etc and to keep supporting him afterwards - I can not forgive that guy.

[lastlib]

34. My family are all tRump voters

In the interest of family harmony, I'm giving them ONE pass. If they vote for him again, I am DONE with them. Mom only voted for tRump because she hated Hillary as much as I hate tRump--but she doesn't like tRump. (I'll never change her mind about Hillary). Brother is a Mexican-hating, NRA-loving, racist irredeemable tRump lover. Younger sister isn't quite as extreme, but pretty much on the same page. Older sister isn't the racist, but still sees AnusMouth as the best hope for America.

As for the rest of the tRump voters, EFF 'em!

[coeur_de_lion]

38. Nope me neither

[brush]

40. Agreed 100%. K&R.

[EveHammond13]

41. this is not possible without the "Good Germans" (as that term is used historically for WWII)

[BigmanPigman]

42. I have been thinking exactly that for two years!

I have only one ex-friend that I know of and I only talk to her on birthdays. I haven't contacted her (her request but then she contacted me...huh?) in over a year so if she attempts to communicate again I plan on doing what you are doing. She is dead to me and I will tell her why.

[MFM008]

43. Im with you

Shockey80.

[Power 2 the People]

45. +1000

[brooklynite]

46. Good thing you're not in charge of the Democratic Party

Some of those Trump voters were former Obama voters that we need to win back. Holding a grudge isn't a good way to bring that about.

[BlueStater]

47. No, we *don't* need to win them back.

And if they support a vile predator and racist, they were never worth having in the first place. Fuck them.

Trump supporters only encompass about 40% of the country. If we can encourage most of the remaining 60% to vote for Democrats, we don't need their ignorant, demagogue-supporting asses.

[brooklynite]

52. Let us know how...

Those supposed non-voting base voters have been there for years, and no candidate, progressive or moderate, has found a way to appeal to them. The gettable votes are in the middle.

[BlueStater]

54. So we shouldn't try then, huh?

We should just kiss the asses of racists and make tell them its okay to live their lives as hate-filled cretins.

And if you support Trump, you were *never* in the fucking middle.

[empedocles]

59. 'the gettable votes are in the middle'. Important point, often denied.

[cwydro]

50. Thank you.

Such silliness I read here.

[DonCoquixote]

51. we may need to woo them back

but NOT at the expense of sliding to the right. The fact is, this country has slid so far that a trump is electable, we will need to drag the country back to something reasonable.

[OliverQ]

48. New gallup poll has trump back at 44% approval

Nearly half the people in this country are the biggest morons you could ever meet.


I will never be able to respect this country or its citizens again.

[BlueStater]

53. I'd really like to meet these people who can't seem to make up their mind about him.

How the hell could somebody possibly not know whether they like him or not? What is WRONG with them?

[cwydro]

49. Thankfully, I don't know any personally.

Moot point for me.

[Doodley]

55. Waiting for the Mueller report will look like a "told you so moment." Suppose the

report doesn't name Trump as a conspirator? Are you saying, in that instance you will not insult them and call them fools? And if the report has no escape clause for Trump you will end these relationships if needed? And you have no reservations about falling out with co-workers? How are you going to do your job? I assume you need to communicate with these people after telling them what you think of them? That will be fun, unless of course you get fired. Maybe your boss is Trumpet who won't take kindly to somebody who is disruptive to workplace harmony. And your friends and family members who voted Trump, you.are willing to destroy those relationships, but only.if the report goes as you think? Doesn't sound like a great plan.

[still_one]

56. Yup, and I won't forgive those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic

nominee and have no remorse about it

[wryter2000]

57. Such divisiveness

We need to work with their economic anxiety and reach across the aisle to find moderate solutions to our problems.

[DontBooVote]

62. You cannot work with literal idiots! I fucking hate them with a rage as hot as 1000 suns and

fuck "moderate solutions"! We are a LIBERAL nation. FUCK THEM!

[wryter2000]

67. It was sarcasm

I hate them, too

[3catwoman3]

58. I have been a member of a Unitarian Universalist congregation since the fall...

...of 2011. One of the 7 principles of the UU core values is believing in “the inherent worth and dignity of every person.”

I am totally failing on this one - I can find no inherent worth or dignity in Donald Trump. None.

[Iggo]

60. Why should you? They're either idiots or assholes.

They've been exposed as racists and/or morons, and that toothpaste ain't goin' back in the tube.

[CousinIT]

63. I'm related to some of them. They're all racist and/or sexist.

Brother hates women. Openly says so. Refused to vote for Hillary because he said he wasn't going to "vote for no feminism".

He's got almost a million dollars or more invested in stocks. Total Scrooge. Never spent a dime and had my poor old Mom paying him rent off and on for 20 years to boot because she couldn't afford to live alone anymore. Though there are 5 of us in the family (siblings), he's leaving his entire fortune (and he loudly let all of us know this) to ONE of the males - who has some - well, MORAL and other issues that he has allowed to ruin his own life. THAT'S the one of us he wants to "help". The rest of us - well...he basically told the rest of us to fuck off with that move - and the females in the family when he said he'd never vote for a woman because he hates them. (yea he SAID that).

So yea, Trump voter.

[ravencalling]

64. I also have friends and family members who voted for Trump

Here is my opinion for what it is worth. Many of these "good" people minimized the importance of the election and the importance of the President because they would minimize a 4 alarm fire in their own home. The words Fake News is perfect for their ears because they live in a fantasy world that demands a constant state of denial. Even if they are literally starving to death they will more than likely not see the chain of events leading to the consequence. It is a mental addiction to a false security based on fear and very similar really to a drug or alcohol addition (not to minimize these in any way). Even if they hit rock bottom, their minds will very cleverly switch to victim mode where they will claim to be victimized by liberalism and they will double triple down on their assertions. If there is a waking moment for them of self awareness then this is by grace (from God, evolution, the obelisk, who knows) and if it happens it should be celebrated. But more than likely its not going to happen. It is the tribal member looking at the life saving heat of newly discovered fire and shaking their head and saying "magic", "evil" and walking away with their poor family members to freeze to death in ignorance. It is the good German who went along with all of the propaganda while the world burned around them and their families, willing to sacrifice all others, even their own children by holding on with the hope that all of the falsehoods are true. It is re-arranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic.
Self awareness, clarity of the moment, the ability to see beyond the man made rules of the day, and brave compassion for ones fellow beings is what saves mankind and advances mankind past its own self destruction. It is the best of what we are. It is what we want our country to represent.

[WeekiWater]

65. It's a problem for me. +1 Please read. These were my feelings last December.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211537222

[Blue_Tires]

66. Trump voters I can kinda-sorta forgive...

But the liberals who knew better yet STILL crossed over/stayed home/spewed that "Trump can't possibly be any worse than Hillary!" -bullshit? I'm going to be hating those pieces of shit until the day I die.

[Rabrrrrrr]

68. I can forgive the ones who voted for him; it's the ones who continue(d) to support post-mid-2017

that I will have a difficult time forgiving them.

Some were simply flimflammed by the con artist into voting for him.

But after he was in office for a few months, the chicanery and the evil were evident and clear - so supporting him past that point shows a very deliberate choice to disregard all moral and ethical responsibilities.

[McCamy Taylor]

69. Can you forgive people who watch pro wrestling? This is the mind set of many Trump voters.

Those who are not disenfranchised (i.e. mostly white ) often view politics as a game rather than a matter of life or death. They cast their vote the same way they cheer for a sports team--as if it is nothing but a sports competition.

They do not realize that by keeping some American worker's disenfranchised they keep all wages low--i.e they are hurting themselves economically--because our country's elite have brainwashed them.

I do not hate Trump voters. i want to knock their heads together--and then teach them the basics of Marxist economic theory. But this is the country that has made "know nothing" a virtue.

[Gothmog]

70. Same here

We are not alone

Link to tweet

[lunatica]

71. I think the rift will continue for years

I’m prepared for the fight to be a very intense one.

First they came out as the Tea party, then as MAGATs. They will reinvent the name but continue to be the antiheroes of Democracy.