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RandySF

(58,511 posts)
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 08:49 PM Feb 2019

Bernie Sanders Stumbled With Black Voters in 2016. Can He Do Better in 2020?

Shortly after Senator Bernie Sanders suffered a crushing loss in South Carolina’s Democratic primary in 2016, his campaign’s African-American outreach team sent a memo to top campaign leaders with an urgent warning.

“The margin by which we lost the African-American vote has got to be — at the very least — cut in half or there simply is no path to victory,” the team wrote in the memo, which was reviewed by The New York Times. Mr. Sanders had won 14 percent of the black vote there compared with 86 percent for Hillary Clinton, according to exit polls.

Over seven pages, the team outlined a strategy for winning black voters that included using social media influencers and having Mr. Sanders give a major speech on discrimination in a city like St. Louis or Cincinnati.

Mr. Sanders’s inner circle did not respond.

In a campaign in which Mr. Sanders badly needed his message against inequality to catch fire with black voters, the senator from Vermont and his senior leaders struggled to prioritize and execute a winning plan to build their support. Top aides lost faith in their African-American outreach organizers, whose leadership was replaced and whose team members were scattered across the country. Initiatives like a tour of historically black colleges and universities fizzled; Mr. Sanders even missed its kickoff event.

As Mr. Sanders prepares to announce another run for the White House as early as this week, his weak track record with black voters — a vital base in the Democratic Party — could be a potential threat to his candidacy. And his campaign’s experience in 2016, as described in interviews with nearly two dozen current and former advisers and staff members, reveals a strikingly uneven commitment on the part of Mr. Sanders and his top advisers to organize and communicate effectively with black voters and leaders.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-black-voters-outreach.html

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Bernie Sanders Stumbled With Black Voters in 2016. Can He Do Better in 2020? (Original Post) RandySF Feb 2019 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author TheFarseer Feb 2019 #1
I'm sorry. I read the article and no one called him racist. RandySF Feb 2019 #2
I see no where in the OP that RandySF is calling Sanders a racist. nt sheshe2 Feb 2019 #3
I dont think anyone thinks Bernie is a racist. honest.abe Feb 2019 #6
I believe he both has a...not-easy time AND he has good reason not to. Hortensis Feb 2019 #84
Excellent breakdown, very true, radius777 Feb 2019 #120
After 'Calling Out' Sanders Over Event Snub, Vermont Leaders Of Color Offer Path Forward TomCADem Feb 2019 #7
The OP didn't call him a racist, nor suggest he is Empowerer Feb 2019 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author TheFarseer Feb 2019 #15
Being "sick if it" doesn't justify mischaracterizing what anyone says Empowerer Feb 2019 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author TheFarseer Feb 2019 #18
better lol. ONE black person's vote more is better. nt msongs Feb 2019 #4
More to the point DFW Feb 2019 #5
I'm not sure if comforting voters who are uncomfortable voting for a black man... CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #8
According to the Washington Post, Sanders black voter problem is a myth Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #9
That's an opinion piece... Adrahil Feb 2019 #11
Its a "myth" until the votes are counted. honest.abe Feb 2019 #12
Exactly, he got destroyed in metro areas radius777 Feb 2019 #19
He got destroyed because Hillary and Bill made huge inroads with black voters over decades Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #22
Harris will do great among black voters. honest.abe Feb 2019 #47
I'm confused.... Stellar Feb 2019 #52
Dont be. Its not about skin color. honest.abe Feb 2019 #63
So you are okay with sanders delegates booing John Lewis?? Gothmog Feb 2019 #72
It was very disrespectful when they did that. LiberalFighter Feb 2019 #122
My vote will go to Bernie Sanders.... Stellar Feb 2019 #127
Congressman John Lewis is a national treasure Gothmog Feb 2019 #128
I agree with ALMOST every word you said, but ... Stellar Feb 2019 #132
I will support the Democratic nominee Gothmog Feb 2019 #133
Free country... Stellar Feb 2019 #135
I think it's awesome that Barbara Lee endorsed Kamala.. Cha Feb 2019 #57
Lol@"myth". Cha Feb 2019 #24
Here is the polling Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #27
Barbara Lee and Delores Huerta have already endorsed Kamala Cha Feb 2019 #31
Superdelegates already endorsing a candidate before the candidate even has a.. aidbo Feb 2019 #88
Perhaps they are already familiar with her and her positions. honest.abe Feb 2019 #91
Since Barbara Lee is a highly respected Rep from California Cha Feb 2019 #100
Don't be trying to smear Rep Barbara Lee Cha Feb 2019 #98
Don't be accusing me of smearing Barbara Lee. aidbo Feb 2019 #99
Then don't be saying this.. Cha Feb 2019 #101
There was no smear there. I find your accusation disingenuous and insulting. aidbo Feb 2019 #102
Oh good.. glad you weren't trying to "smear" Cha Feb 2019 #104
LOL betsuni Feb 2019 #108
then don't do it dsc Feb 2019 #107
That poll is misleading. honest.abe Feb 2019 #46
Thank You for that Cha Feb 2019 #94
I have a feeling those touting that poll know exactly what it means.. honest.abe Feb 2019 #95
yeah, shocking. Cha Feb 2019 #97
actually that poll shows his problems with AA voters dsc Feb 2019 #105
That is an op/ed by a Sanders staffer obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #53
+1 betsuni Feb 2019 #55
Yes, and it's from way back in 2017. George II Feb 2019 #87
That op/ed is weak Gothmog Feb 2019 #64
Biden and/or Harris will crush him among voters of color. Blue_true Feb 2019 #10
Yes, and so has Barbara Lee Endorsed Kamala.. Cha Feb 2019 #25
no he does poorly with African Americans. I can't vote for Bernie, HE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT. trueblue2007 Feb 2019 #13
I can't either, trueblue2007. calimary Feb 2019 #42
No he doesn't. Kentonio Feb 2019 #50
The "unknown senator" narrative has to die obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #54
That is completely and provably untrue. Kentonio Feb 2019 #60
Bernie was the most frequent guest on "The Late Show" until recently. betsuni Feb 2019 #62
Thank You, betsuni! Excellent! Cha Feb 2019 #106
Sorry, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. honest.abe Feb 2019 #68
If he represents Democratic party ideals, why isn't he a Democrat? sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #103
Will black voters run to the polls in 2020 should he win the Dem nomination? SMC22307 Feb 2019 #17
speaking for me and my family. jay1124 Feb 2019 #61
Yet that same year he was invited to speak at Ebenezer Baptist Church... SMC22307 Feb 2019 #116
Vermont is the whitest state in the union BluegrassDem Feb 2019 #20
Suuuuurrrreee! Adrahil Feb 2019 #21
Sanders struggles more with white men than anyone else Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #23
I don't care what Matt Iglesias says.. there are Cha Feb 2019 #26
Maybe so but you can thank Sanders for moving the entire country to the left. nt Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #28
No thanks.. I know what he did. Cha Feb 2019 #30
THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. betsuni Feb 2019 #32
It's pretty obvious, even some of Sanders biggest critics give him that much. Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #34
The platform was already the most progressive ever, before Sanders' input. betsuni Feb 2019 #40
Nah, NOT "the entire country". Cha Feb 2019 #35
Moving around entire countries must be hard on the back. betsuni Feb 2019 #36
Not to mention.. Cha Feb 2019 #37
The entire world maybe? Or the entire galaxy? nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #67
Currently Elizabeth Warren is my top choice. nt Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #33
Mine too, of all the declared candidates so far... Elizabeth is pure gold. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #41
Indeed. calimary Feb 2019 #43
Yes, indeed, calimary. Cha Feb 2019 #45
Love you, Cha! calimary Feb 2019 #83
Aloha, calimary! Cha Feb 2019 #96
Thank you Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #39
The country is being run by a lunatic madman pushing all sorts of RW crap. honest.abe Feb 2019 #49
Except HE didn't -- that narrative has to die, too obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #56
Misleading.. honest.abe Feb 2019 #48
Thank you! That poll is as misleading as... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #82
His problem is that he's from a tiny atypical state struggle4progress Feb 2019 #29
Greenwald's Site Is Defending Bernie and Saying That He Has a Lot of Black Supporters TomCADem Feb 2019 #38
I don't know what motivates Greenwald. but he's pure troll struggle4progress Feb 2019 #44
i don't trust ANYTHING that Cha Feb 2019 #51
Cha, I'm not a bot... Stellar Feb 2019 #58
I know you're not a "bot". My Cha Feb 2019 #59
It is the Neocon/Neoliberal Tag Team Attack With Members of the "Left" TomCADem Feb 2019 #92
Pretty much as soon as any critic from the "left" says "neo-liberal" I tune out sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #109
Vermont lacks ethnic diversity. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #76
The population of the largest city, Burlington, is around 40K struggle4progress Feb 2019 #85
That's absolutely true! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #86
Same with Warren madville Feb 2019 #113
Seeing the way his supporters have Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #65
No...nt SidDithers Feb 2019 #66
I can't imagine him running for 2020. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #69
I was a delegate to the national convention and I saw what happened to John Lewis Gothmog Feb 2019 #70
That incident was disgusting. honest.abe Feb 2019 #74
I will not forget or forgive Gothmog Feb 2019 #75
This needs to be remembered, but saying it may well become verboten here soon LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #78
I will not forget or forgive Gothmog Feb 2019 #119
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #110
Do you think that African American voters are going to support sanders? Gothmog Feb 2019 #111
Nope.. you have that WRONG. Cha Feb 2019 #112
You are correct Cha Gothmog Feb 2019 #129
Bernie has a big advantage this go around though madville Feb 2019 #114
We will see Gothmog Feb 2019 #115
With such a large field most candidates will have a hard time getting 15% madville Feb 2019 #117
There are a large number of real democrats who have long memories Gothmog Feb 2019 #118
Bernie probably won't do as well in IA and NH this time around. And after NH, he's in trouble. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #124
Is Bernie Sanders a Democrat? Baltimike Feb 2019 #71
sanders will have to actually join the party if he wants to run Gothmog Feb 2019 #73
Is there any requirement that he remain a Democrat? NurseJackie Feb 2019 #77
Unfortuantely, that rule has no teeth. If he thumbs his nose at it, what can the DNC do? LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #80
sanders is supposed to swear and promise to join the party Gothmog Feb 2019 #89
And then later, he goes on a rant about being forced to comply with the "establishment", LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #90
Incisive Reporting - Cory Booker Could Be The Ideal Alternative corbettkroehler Feb 2019 #79
No. He may as well hang up his hat. PubliusEnigma Feb 2019 #81
Whomever is the candidate, s/he will need to do better. progressoid Feb 2019 #93
No. Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #121
It's good Sanders has evolved on criminal justice reform, been pushed to the Left. betsuni Feb 2019 #123
Hopefully he'll be pushed to Left on other issues. betsuni Feb 2019 #125
Nope. Nt ecstatic Feb 2019 #126
I'm thinking no ellie Feb 2019 #130
Pfffffft! All he needs to do is pull ANY votes away from the Democratic Candidate to ensure maxrandb Feb 2019 #131
Given his habit of sticking his foot in his mouth, he probably won't do any better among POC. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #134

Response to RandySF (Original post)

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
6. I dont think anyone thinks Bernie is a racist.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 09:06 PM
Feb 2019

But for some reason he has a hard time connecting with black voters and that is a huge issue for someone wanting to be the Dem nominee for President.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
84. I believe he both has a...not-easy time AND he has good reason not to.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:48 AM
Feb 2019

Sanders ran an anti-establishment populist campaign in 2016, and he shows every indication of continuing that way. So did Trump -- both were vying for this era's large groups of angry, fearful "populist" voters.

And notably, populists on both right and left include a lot of people who are both economically progressive (especially for themselves) AND conservative socially. (!) The relative strengths of these passions tends to align them with one side or another, but they can easily migrate from one to the other as situations change.

So basically, Sanders knows he can appeal either to the various mainstream Democratic factions, including the monolithic black voting bloc (who rightfully loathe social conservatives), OR he can appeal to the much larger white populist groups right and left, which include many social conservatives.

In any case, that's what I believe is his big reason.

Btw, in 2016, @3/4 of his primary voters were solid Democrats who shifted to their second choice in the general. Roughly a quarter refused to vote Democrat in the GE: 2% refused to vote at all, 12% voted for Trump, and the rest threw their votes away third party (one of whom was libertarian and effectively economically conservative).

radius777

(3,635 posts)
120. Excellent breakdown, very true,
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:32 AM
Feb 2019

and what so many gloss over, that populists (on both right and left) tend to be economically left (anti-globalism, pro-union, economic nationalism, pro local/small business) BUT culturally conservative and white. Basically, they are what the old Dem party was, before the civil rights era, when the parties realigned, and Dems became a more metro-centric party.

Even when populists hold socially liberal views, they tend to view the world via a small town/heartland (eg. traditionalist white social order) cultural perspective.. ex: states like VT and WA and OR are 'blue' but considerably different 'blue' to diverse metropolitan states like NY and CA (and even TX, which is trending blue)... where Dem voters tend to be economically center-left (and pro trade, because their economies benefit) and culturally cosmopolitan.

TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
7. After 'Calling Out' Sanders Over Event Snub, Vermont Leaders Of Color Offer Path Forward
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 09:58 PM
Feb 2019

I think the NY Times article is just noting that Bernie has and still continues to ignore and downplay social justice issues and pushes the idea that addressing economic inequality will address concerns regarding racial inequality. This is why he downplays "identity politics" even during the Trump era. Just last December, Bernie got some heat for excluding the local Vermont NAACP from a progressive forum that he hosted. Perhaps he thought inviting Cornell West and Susan Sarandon was sufficient.

https://www.vpr.org/post/after-calling-out-sanders-over-event-snub-vermont-leaders-color-offer-path-forward#stream/0

Sen. Bernie Sanders has in many ways become the figurehead of the national progressive movement, but leaders of color in Vermont say his spotty track record on racial justice issues could undermine his status as its leader.

Now, those same advocates are trying to lay the groundwork for what they hope will be a more collaborative relationship with Sanders in the future.

Sanders, as well as an institute that bears his name, have come under fire in recent days for failing to invite Vermont-based social justice advocates to a three-day gathering in Burlington.

In an open letter to Sanders and the Sanders Institute, more than a dozen racial and social justice advocates said that “Vermonters in marginalized positions” have found themselves “excluded from the movement” that Sanders is trying to foster.

Response to Empowerer (Reply #14)

Response to Empowerer (Reply #16)

 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
8. I'm not sure if comforting voters who are uncomfortable voting for a black man...
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 10:07 PM
Feb 2019

or demeaning the civil rights struggles of women, blacks, gays and other minority groups as "identity politics" that should be downplayed in favor of class struggle, is a way to build support in the black community.

After South Carolina BS will be done for 2020.

Hopefully, he thinks better of this folly.

Bill

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
11. That's an opinion piece...
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 10:28 PM
Feb 2019

... from a former Sanders staffer. It’s not straight news from the WaPo newsroom.

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
12. Its a "myth" until the votes are counted.
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 10:41 PM
Feb 2019

Bernie was blown away in states that had high percent of AA voters in 2016. Many blacks might give him a favorable rating but wont vote for him if there are better options.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
19. Exactly, he got destroyed in metro areas
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:11 AM
Feb 2019

all across the country. Anywhere there were diverse and/or populous areas he lost badly, especially if primaries (which have far greater turnout than caucuses) were held.

The only reason he was able to stay around so long was due to caucuses in rural white states, and the fact that the media needed a horserace.

Note that diversity voters (who are overwhelmingly Clinton/Obama Dems) are the base of the Dem party, where most of our votes come from.

If you can't compete with such voters, you can't win, period.

Quixote1818

(28,918 posts)
22. He got destroyed because Hillary and Bill made huge inroads with black voters over decades
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:57 AM
Feb 2019

Hillary isn't in this next race so it's a pretty level field for all the candidates as far as minority voters. Well, Biden actually does about as good with black voters as Hillary did.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
52. I'm confused....
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 06:37 AM
Feb 2019

as an old black woman, I'd much prefer Bernie to any of the others. Believe it or not, it's not about skin color when it comes to me and my family. Why would I vote any other way? Even the media says the says the same thing, I don't get it.

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
63. Dont be. Its not about skin color.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 08:36 AM
Feb 2019

Bernie seems to have a problem connecting with most black voters and that has nothing to do with skin color. I think it's because he refuses to address social/racial issues directly and that bothers most black voters.

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
72. So you are okay with sanders delegates booing John Lewis??
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:20 AM
Feb 2019

I was a delegate to the national convention. Real campaign carefully vet their delegates in part because these delegates represent the candidate and the campaign. I know that I was vetted by the Clinton campaign and I helped vet other delegates.

On the second night of the convention the Clinton delegates were warned about 20 to 30 minutes in advance of John Lewis' introduction that there was a planned stunt by the sanders delegates to boo Congressman John Lewis. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this stunt and declined.

The Texas delegation shared a bus with the Georgia delegation. There were some pissed off members of the Georgia delegation Wednesday morning.

My whip was working for the DNC during the midterms. I know that he and other Clnton staffers will be happy to appear in ads on this incident.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
127. My vote will go to Bernie Sanders....
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:30 AM
Feb 2019

If by chance he doesn't make it out of the primary just like before, I will vote blue no matter who.

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
128. Congressman John Lewis is a national treasure
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:42 AM
Feb 2019

I have been fortunate to hear Congressman John Lewis tell his "preaching to chicken" story four times in person. The man is a national treasure. I trust Congressman John Lewis on issues related to civil rights.

There are a number of posters who agree with me with respect to Congressman John Lewis. See
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11741478
I know that there will be some fun ads discussing this issue. Time will tell but I doubt that sanders will be the nominee. There are too many real democrats with long memories. We do not forgive or forget.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
132. I agree with ALMOST every word you said, but ...
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:36 PM
Feb 2019

this 74 yr old black woman will be voting for Sen. Bernie Sanders in the primary. And, if by chance he's not successful, I will vote BLUE no matter who. And might I suggest everyone does the same if their candidate of choice does not survive the primary?

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
133. I will support the Democratic nominee
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:26 PM
Feb 2019

However, I believe that Congressman John Lewis is a national treasure and I will be working to make sure that someone other than sanders will be the nominee. sanders felt that it was okay for his delegates to boo Congressman John Lewis and that fact will be used in ads during the primary process. We will see how sanders does

Cha

(296,867 posts)
31. Barbara Lee and Delores Huerta have already endorsed Kamala
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:20 AM
Feb 2019


Dolores Huerta Endorses Kamala Harris

“I have spent my career advocating for workers’ rights, immigrants’ rights, women’s rights, and on behalf of the LBGTQ community because I believe our country is only as great as the opportunities we afford all our communities,” Huerta said. “Senator Kamala Harris is the right leader to expand those opportunities as president, and I am proud to endorse her.”

Huerta also praised Harris, whom she’s supported in the past, for fighting on behalf of and giving a voice to the vulnerable — and singled out her work on criminal justice reform and for immigrants, ranging “from creating innovative programs to help first-time offenders get education and job training to avoid recidivism, to demanding that California and our country protect immigrant communities and afford them the opportunity to fully contribute to the country they love.”

For Harris, who since ascending to the Senate in 2016 has prioritized shielding immigrants — and specifically the Dreamers — from deportation, Huerta is an important validator, and not only in her home state of California — Huerta comes from a Mexican immigrant family and was raised in Stockton — but also neighboring Nevada, which stands to provide its winner a boost of momentum heading into Super Tuesday.

Huerta, a past recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Eleanor Roosevelt Award for Human Rights, has been active in California politics for decades. She was on stage with Robert Kennedy at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles the night he won the primary and was later assassinated.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11825120

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
88. Superdelegates already endorsing a candidate before the candidate even has a..
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:14 PM
Feb 2019

..policies page on their website.

Nope, doesn’t smell like 2016 at all...

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
91. Perhaps they are already familiar with her and her positions.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:29 PM
Feb 2019

When you have an excellent candidate, it doesn't take a lengthy complex analysis to come to the determination that she or he's the one.

Cha

(296,867 posts)
100. Since Barbara Lee is a highly respected Rep from California
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 06:37 PM
Feb 2019

and Delores Huerta is a renowned political activist, who is actually a national treasure.. I bet they do!

Cha

(296,867 posts)
98. Don't be trying to smear Rep Barbara Lee
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 06:31 PM
Feb 2019

and Delores Huerta with your unfounded suspicions.

Barbara Lee & Delores Huerta obviously knows who Kamala is and what her positions are.

And, they know who BS is and they are Not endorsing him.

Cha

(296,867 posts)
101. Then don't be saying this..
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 06:44 PM
Feb 2019
aidbo 88. Superdelegates already endorsing a candidate before the candidate even has a..
..policies page on their website.

Nope, doesn’t smell like 2016 at all...

Barbara Lee is a highly respected Rep from California

and Delores Huerta is a renowned political activist, who is actually a national treasure..

Cha

(296,867 posts)
104. Oh good.. glad you weren't trying to "smear"
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 08:00 PM
Feb 2019

Delores Huerta and Barbara Lee by saying you "smelled 2016"..

aidbo 88. Superdelegates already endorsing a candidate before the candidate even has a..
..policies page on their website.

Nope, doesn’t smell like 2016 at all...

dsc

(52,152 posts)
107. then don't do it
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 08:10 PM
Feb 2019

You literally said the fact she endorsed Sen Harris smelled. How isn't that a smear?

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
46. That poll is misleading.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:14 AM
Feb 2019

The numbers by each demographic are totals for all voters.. Repubs, Dems, Inds. That skews the numbers since most white males are Republican and most blacks are Democrats. If the numbers were split by party and demographic it would look much different.

There is no question Bernie is much more popular with white male Democrats than black Democrats. We saw that repeatedly in the 2016 primaries.

Cha

(296,867 posts)
94. Thank You for that
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 06:21 PM
Feb 2019

explanation, honest.abe 'cause I was having a hard time wrapping my head around that.

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
95. I have a feeling those touting that poll know exactly what it means..
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 06:24 PM
Feb 2019

but hide the details to support their agenda.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
105. actually that poll shows his problems with AA voters
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 08:07 PM
Feb 2019

Biden beats him by 18 points in the favorable column (73 to 55) and by 15 in the unfavorable column (11 to 26). For white voters the numbers are 9 and 7 respectively. For working class whites the numbers are 6 and 3. He is a marginally worse candidate than Biden for whites but a vastly worse one for blacks. In comparison 58 percent of VA blacks think Northam should remain governor. Yes, Sanders is positive overall with blacks, but not as positive as he should be given the fact he is for all intents and purposes a Democrat.

calimary

(81,125 posts)
42. I can't either, trueblue2007.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:38 AM
Feb 2019

I’m actually quite impressed with Senator Harris. So far, for me, she’s the one to beat.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
50. No he doesn't.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:53 AM
Feb 2019

True looking at a recent poll, instead of just replaying 2016 over in your head.

As for being a Democrat, he represents the party ideals I recognize as Democratic better than most of the other people running as Democrats. Which is exactly why a basically unknown senator from Vermont exploded into national prominence last time around.

obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
54. The "unknown senator" narrative has to die
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 06:43 AM
Feb 2019

He was absolutely well known on a regional AND national level.

He isn't, say, AOC, though some stans seem to think he is.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
60. That is completely and provably untrue.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 07:24 AM
Feb 2019

People were actually running name recognition polling at the time he entered the campaign you know. AOC now has higher name recognition than he did when he entered the race.

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
62. Bernie was the most frequent guest on "The Late Show" until recently.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 08:15 AM
Feb 2019

"As for being a Democrat, he represents the party ideal ... better than most of the other people running as Democrats." Not as far as gun control, sanctions on Russian oligarchs, military spending, releasing tax returns, environmentalism and many other things are concerned (which are dismissed as "identity politics" ).

honest.abe

(8,616 posts)
68. Sorry, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:54 AM
Feb 2019

I predict Bernie will have exactly the same problems he did in 2016 with black voters because he refuses to address social/racial issues directly and frames everything around income inequality.

sweetloukillbot

(10,972 posts)
103. If he represents Democratic party ideals, why isn't he a Democrat?
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 07:55 PM
Feb 2019

Because it's real easy to become a Democrat, and if his ideals match the Democratic party, why isn't he one?

This "Democrats aren't the "real" Democrats" narrative is pretty sketchy to me, and sounds an awful lot like bashing.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
17. Will black voters run to the polls in 2020 should he win the Dem nomination?
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 11:41 PM
Feb 2019

I will. Like I ran for Hillary and Barack and John and Al and...

jay1124

(29 posts)
61. speaking for me and my family.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 07:34 AM
Feb 2019

No, for the reasons that was said above. he has not spoke to african americans about their concerns. just trotting out killer mike when he needs some street cred isn't going to work this time. i voted for white candidates, but they made it a point to come to the community and talk to us. bernie tried, right after 2017 in detroit, and no person of color(with the exception of reverend, and a few reps) were there.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
116. Yet that same year he was invited to speak at Ebenezer Baptist Church...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:39 PM
Feb 2019

on MLK Day. Odd. And protesting with predominantly POC workers for a $15/minimum wage is certainly addressing the concerns of those trying to scrape by on less than $29K per year. There's more, but you know that.

For the good of the country, I hope you and your family reconsider. Sanders winning the nomination is a long shot but if he does, we need all Democratic voters on deck against Dirty Don.

 

BluegrassDem

(1,693 posts)
20. Vermont is the whitest state in the union
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:16 AM
Feb 2019

I think that because of that fact, he just simply hadn't to deal with African American issues while a senator and congressman. He just hadn't had to reach out to different communities and understand their issues. That's why he does so poorly with African-Americans and latinos to a large extent. He thinks reigning in Wall Street will somehow magically cure the ills in urban America.

I still can't get over him bashing Obama in front a black audience last year I think. He's definitely tone deaf.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
21. Suuuuurrrreee!
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:18 AM
Feb 2019

I mean remarking that black candidates are running on being black is bound to endear black voters to him!

Quixote1818

(28,918 posts)
23. Sanders struggles more with white men than anyone else
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:04 AM
Feb 2019


African Americans (55-26) and Latinos (52-26) like Bernie, but he’s slightly underwater (43-45) with whites, faring especially poorly with white men (40-51) and working-class whites (38-44).
Young people really like Sanders (57-29), but old people do not (40-45).
Democrats like Sanders (74-13), but independents do not (39-43).

All things considered, these actual numbers cut against a lot of online narratives. Sanders is more popular with women than with men, and more popular with people of color than with whites — it’s the normal pattern of support for progressive politics in America and no sign of “Bernie Bros” running amok.

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/19/18148681/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-approval-rating

Cha

(296,867 posts)
26. I don't care what Matt Iglesias says.. there are
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:11 AM
Feb 2019

plenty of excellent qualified Dems who will make better candidates than BS.



Dolores Huerta Endorses Kamala Harris

“I have spent my career advocating for workers’ rights, immigrants’ rights, women’s rights, and on behalf of the LBGTQ community because I believe our country is only as great as the opportunities we afford all our communities,” Huerta said. “Senator Kamala Harris is the right leader to expand those opportunities as president, and I am proud to endorse her.”

Huerta also praised Harris, whom she’s supported in the past, for fighting on behalf of and giving a voice to the vulnerable — and singled out her work on criminal justice reform and for immigrants, ranging “from creating innovative programs to help first-time offenders get education and job training to avoid recidivism, to demanding that California and our country protect immigrant communities and afford them the opportunity to fully contribute to the country they love.”

For Harris, who since ascending to the Senate in 2016 has prioritized shielding immigrants — and specifically the Dreamers — from deportation, Huerta is an important validator, and not only in her home state of California — Huerta comes from a Mexican immigrant family and was raised in Stockton — but also neighboring Nevada, which stands to provide its winner a boost of momentum heading into Super Tuesday.

Huerta, a past recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Eleanor Roosevelt Award for Human Rights, has been active in California politics for decades. She was on stage with Robert Kennedy at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles the night he won the primary and was later assassinated.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11825120

Quixote1818

(28,918 posts)
34. It's pretty obvious, even some of Sanders biggest critics give him that much.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:25 AM
Feb 2019



The Democratic Party has moved left after Bernie Sanders’s run. The platform is proof.
By Jeff Stein Jul 11, 2016, 11:10am EDT

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12139852/the-democratic-party-left-bernie-sanders

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
40. The platform was already the most progressive ever, before Sanders' input.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:10 AM
Feb 2019

"For Bernie, policy was about inspiring a mass movement and forcing a conversation about the Democratic Party's values and priorities. By that standard, I would say he succeeded. But it worried me. I've always believed that it's dangerous to make big promises if you have no idea how you're going to keep them. When you don't deliver, it will make people even more cynical about government. No matter how bold and progressive my policy proposals were -- and they were significantly bolder and more progressive than anything President Obama or I had proposed in 2008 -- Bernie would come out with something even bigger ... . ... Because we agreed on so much, Bernie couldn't make an argument against me in this area on policy, so he had to resort to innuendo ... ... After I won the nomination, he and I collaborated on a plan to make college more affordable that combined the best elements of what we'd both proposed during the primaries. That kind of compromise is essential in politics if you want to get anything done. Then we worked together to write the most progressive Democratic platform in history." From "What Happened."

States had passed $15 minimum wage, legalized marijuana, etc. laws before 2016. The ACA helped people to not be afraid of changes in health care. American culture is becoming more progressive all the time, except for Republicans.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
82. Thank you! That poll is as misleading as...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:08 AM
Feb 2019

Thank you! That poll is as misleading as the one where Bernie is "the most popular Senator in the United States". The misleading implication is, of course, that he's THE most popular Senator among all Americans. In reality, he's simply popular among the homogeneous and not-diverse state of Vermont.

In fairness, I'm sure he's very pleased with that particular poll. It's nothing to sneeze at. After all, it's quite an accomplishment to be able to rank so highly in a very tiny tiny state with a population less than that of Rhode Island... or even less than Washington DC, or Jacksonville, or Seattle, or Baltimore.

But I think that all reasonable people can agree that it's intellectually dishonest and misleading to word the boast in such a way that it appears that ALL of the voters in the US rank him at the top of ALL senators. It really serves no good purpose to do that or to represent it in that way. In the end, when the truth is known, it calls into question the integrity of those who were making the misleading claims.



struggle4progress

(118,236 posts)
29. His problem is that he's from a tiny atypical state
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:16 AM
Feb 2019

So he's unlikely to understand what's involved in winning a national contest

TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
38. Greenwald's Site Is Defending Bernie and Saying That He Has a Lot of Black Supporters
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:51 AM
Feb 2019

Is Glenn Greenwald really a progressive? Because in the era of Trump, it seems like he seems to spend a lot of time attacking investigations in Trump's connections with Russia. But, here is a story from his site defending Bernie by arguing that a lot of black critics of his African American rivals are being unfairly attacked as Russian bots. So, I guess Glenn Greenwald has not suddenly become a Trump Supporter?

It is just odd that Greenwald did not wait for Bernie to announce before running a story saying that online posters who claim to be African Americans who support Bernie are not Russian bots. Shouldn't Greenwald wait until Bernie officially announces before defending his online African American campaign supporters?

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/13/ados-kamala-harris-cory-booker-russian-bots/

BLACK CRITICS OF KAMALA HARRIS AND CORY BOOKER PUSH BACK AGAINST CLAIMS THAT THEY’RE RUSSIAN “BOTS”

Carnell told The Intercept that she thinks calling out ADOS is an effort to delegitimize the grassroots movement they’ve worked to cultivate and to “undermine a real debate that we have about Kamala Harris within the black community.” For years, Moore and Carnell have been doing regular YouTube and radio shows together where they discuss issues like reparations and the racial wealth divide under the lens of “native descendants of American slaves.”

“We thought that there wasn’t enough policy and policy initiatives, policy proposals for Americans who descended from slavery and had ancestors who lived through Jim Crow, reconstruction, all of that, so we came up with the hashtag American DOS or ADOS,” Carnell said, adding that they started the hashtag around two years ago.

Moore said that accusations like Reid’s are a McCarthyite tactic in the same vein as the attempts to publicly discredit Martin Luther King Jr. “It’s troubling, the lengths that these people will go to undermine authentic Black advocacy in order to prop up the Democratic establishment,” he said in an email. An MSNBC spokesperson declined to comment.

Indeed, people of color who challenge the Democratic Party from the left are often erased or dismissed as somehow not being real. During the 2016 Democratic primary, the hashtag #BernieMadeMeWhite spread as a response to the “Bernie Bro” stereotype, which wrongly claimed that nearly all Bernie Sanders supporters were young white men.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
58. Cha, I'm not a bot...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 06:51 AM
Feb 2019

me and my community went hard for Bernie in the primary here in Illinois, and just as hard for Hillary in the general to keep that Orange Thing out of the Whitehouse.

Cha

(296,867 posts)
59. I know you're not a "bot". My
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 07:08 AM
Feb 2019

post is about freaking glenn greenwald lying about the Dems.

I just don't think BS is the best candidate.. we have excellent qualified Dems who are uniting the Democratic Party.


TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
92. It is the Neocon/Neoliberal Tag Team Attack With Members of the "Left"
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:33 PM
Feb 2019

Represented by Glenn Greenwald and Cornell West insisting that Democrats are actually more conservative, pro-war and elitist than Republicans even with Trump as President threatening to rain nukes on his enemies.

sweetloukillbot

(10,972 posts)
109. Pretty much as soon as any critic from the "left" says "neo-liberal" I tune out
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 08:32 PM
Feb 2019

Because I know they don't know what the fuck it means.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
76. Vermont lacks ethnic diversity.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:36 AM
Feb 2019

Vermont lacks ethnic diversity. I'm sure it's easy for him to say and do things that the majority find agreeable. It's also a very tiny tiny state with a population less than that of Rhode Island... or even less than Washington DC, or Jacksonville, or Seattle, or Baltimore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont#Demographics

All I'm saying is that Vermont-style politics (and concerns) don't always play well on the national stage. The issues and slogans that work well in Vermont don't necessarily have the same appeal in other states and regions with much different demographics.

Look, here's the thing. After years of experience, I can cook a meatloaf meal that my own family LOVES. Never a complaint... plates are licked clean every time. --- But I can't take that same meatloaf and expect to get the same reaction from everyone on my street. There will be vegans, and vegetarians, and people who can't eat bread, or people who don't like eggs, or people who can't eat spicy food, or people who dislike sweet sauces, or who have a sodium-restricted diet.

However, in my own house, judged by my own family... I'm the BEST CHEF and the MOST LOVED COOK ever! (At least I don't take my success too seriously.)

struggle4progress

(118,236 posts)
85. The population of the largest city, Burlington, is around 40K
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:03 PM
Feb 2019

I think Burlington is a wonderful place

But representing cities like Burlington and campaigning there just doesn't give the Senator the experience he needs to win a national fight

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
86. That's absolutely true!
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:09 PM
Feb 2019
But representing cities like Burlington and campaigning there just doesn't give the Senator the experience he needs to win a national fight
That's absolutely true!

The population of the largest city, Burlington, is around 40K
I've been to larger events at FedEx Field not far away from me in Landover, MD. The entire population of Burlington would not even fill it halfway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FedExField

The fewer people you have to please, and the less diverse the crowd is... the easier the job is.

madville

(7,404 posts)
113. Same with Warren
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:29 PM
Feb 2019

Outside of MA she won't connect with a lot of people, especially with such a huge primary field.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
65. Seeing the way his supporters have
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:32 AM
Feb 2019

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called Kamala Harris a cop and a power-hungry slut who slept her way into office, I'm not optimistic any lessons were learned from 2016.



 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
69. I can't imagine him running for 2020.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:01 AM
Feb 2019

He would be outflanked from the right and left of the party. He would be out shined by people with decades less public service and more accomplishments. I also don't see how he moves forward in the #metoo environment.

Gotta be honest. As someone who isn't a big Sanders fan I think his policy proposals would be very beneficial to minority groups. It just that the cornerstone of his one trick is about everyone and doesn't single out a group that has been oppressed. He tried to change after Marissa Johnson upstaged him but has since reverted back to where he was. It's as if he doesn't want to recognize that being poor and black and being poor and white are not the same. They have similarities, but are not the same.

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
70. I was a delegate to the national convention and I saw what happened to John Lewis
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:13 AM
Feb 2019

Many real democrats know that sanders helped to elect trump. We have long memories. I saw how little sanders did for Clinton. For example in sanders’ so-called endorsement speech, sanders spent most of the time talking about himself. That was a horrible speech by sanders if his goal was to help Clinton.

I was a delegate to the TDemocratic convention in 2008. Hillary Clinton dropped our before the state convention and it was a great unifying event. Sanders played games and waited until long after the Texas Democratic convention to endorse Clinton in a speech where sanders mainly talked about himself. The Texas state convention was not unifying due to sanders stunt. The difference between the two conventions was amazing

Again, many Democrats know that sanders did little to help Clinton win and in fact took many actions designed to hurt the party and help trump. I doubt that sanders will comply with the new DNC rule. That would involve sanders caring about the Democratic Party and agreeing to stop taking actions designed to hurt the party. I doubt that sanders will do this

If sanders tries to comply with the rule he will be grilled in any debate about his past actions that were designed to hurt the party. Again, many Democrats have long memories and will not forget or forgive sanders past efforts to hurt the party

BTW, the John Lewis stunt will make a great TV ad and sanders already has little or no support in a key base of the party. I look forward to such ad.

Response to Gothmog (Reply #70)

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
111. Do you think that African American voters are going to support sanders?
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:17 PM
Feb 2019

Good luck in getting African American voters to support sanders after calling for the booing of Congressman John Lewis. Congressman John Lewis is a true democrat and a national treasure. The booing of Congressman John Lewis will be used in some fun ads if sanders runs.

sanders sold a ton of books and made a great deal of money by running in the Democratic primary. I suspect that sanders may only run this cycle because his latest poorly reviewed book has not sold well

madville

(7,404 posts)
114. Bernie has a big advantage this go around though
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:36 PM
Feb 2019

The large primary field is going to dilute the power of traditional voting blocs. The black vote could be split, the women's vote will be split, etc, etc, etc. Sanders can be a top-tire candidate with only 15-20% support. Personally I think Biden wins the primary anyway with 30-40% support across the board.

But in a state like SC where black voters make up 60% of the Democratic primary vote, they might split between Harris and Booker with the majority of the white Democratic vote going to Biden. Sanders and the rest will be left out looking for scraps.

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
115. We will see
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:22 PM
Feb 2019

Unless sanders gets at least 15% of the primary vote in a district, he will not get any delegates under DNC rules. I can see sanders not making the 15% threshold in a number of states

madville

(7,404 posts)
117. With such a large field most candidates will have a hard time getting 15%
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:55 PM
Feb 2019

Biden and Sanders could potentially be the only ones scoring delegates in many places as well.

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
118. There are a large number of real democrats who have long memories
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:08 AM
Feb 2019

These democrats remember how hard sanders worked to help trump win. We will not forget or forgive.

Warren, Harris and Beto will signicantly cut into sanders base. There will be far fewer undemocratic caucuses this cycle. I can see sanders being closed out in a large number of states due to 15% rule.

I still wonder if sanders will release his full tax returns.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
124. Bernie probably won't do as well in IA and NH this time around. And after NH, he's in trouble.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 07:24 AM
Feb 2019

I wonder how many people have actually looked at the primary schedule. For Sanders, it's not going to be pretty after New Hampshire.

As I wrote elsewhere:

The 2016 primary was over by Super Tuesday, even though it was tailor-made for Sanders. He was in a 1-on-1 race against a polarizing Clinton, so he was *the* alternative for all those who had been conditioned to hate Hillary. He won't be so fortunate in 2020.

He probably won't even win New Hampshire this time around (there will be at least 1 other New Englander on the ballot). He probably won't come in 2nd in Iowa again either. He's fortunate in that we start with 2 states that don't remotely reflect our electorate, but that won't save him.

After New Hampshire, the primary schedule becomes very unfavorable for Sanders.

On top of all that, there will be fewer caucuses in 2020.

As for Biden, I don't think he'll be as successful as you think. There are reasons why Biden came up *way* short in his previous attempts (plural) to get nominated, and I suspect people will be reminded as to why that is. Like Sanders, Biden has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. Not to mention his history with regard to the Thomas-Hill hearing, his age, etc.

Baltimike

(4,138 posts)
71. Is Bernie Sanders a Democrat?
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Feb 2019

Is he running as a Democrat?

Because RIGHT THIS INSTANT, he is NOT a Democrat, he just caucuses with us.

There is a difference.

If he has switched parties (and don't you dare pretend it doesn't matter...otherwise, why did he revert back after the Russian coup?) and become a Democrat, please show me where.

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
73. sanders will have to actually join the party if he wants to run
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:22 AM
Feb 2019

Under the old rules, there was never a requirement for sanders to join the party https://medium.com/@blairdurkee/scorched-earth-politics-bernie-sanders-and-the-dishonest-campaign-that-gave-us-trump-eb0bc82ab2c1

When rumors of his candidacy began to spread in early 2015, some discussion took place over whether Sanders could even run as a Democrat. As it turned out, there was no rule that required Democratic candidates to be registered with the party. He could run as a Democrat and maintain his affiliation as an Independent at the same time. But it wasn’t the rules that made his decision a curiosity. It was his long and well-documented history of spurning and castigating the Democratic Party. He had run against Democrats in his home state of Vermont and very openly expressed his disgust with the party, going so far as to call it “ideologically bankrupt.” He often affirmed his belief that “you don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party” and, in 1990, even declared that it would be “hypocritical” for him to run as a Democrat based on the things he had said.

The new DNC rules hopefully will fix this issue. The new DNC rule will force sanders to actually join the party and force sanders to campaign as a member of the party


In addition, new ballot access laws will require sanders to release five or ten years of tax returns.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
77. Is there any requirement that he remain a Democrat?
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:38 AM
Feb 2019

Is there any requirement that he remain a Democrat? Or will he revert back to being an "I" after the primary is over, when we have our nominee, and he returns to the Senate?

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
89. sanders is supposed to swear and promise to join the party
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:40 PM
Feb 2019

This provision is only effective if sanders honors his promises and his word has any value. Time will tell

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
90. And then later, he goes on a rant about being forced to comply with the "establishment",
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:44 PM
Feb 2019

and his supporters will cheer him on.

He'll lose of course, but so will we.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
79. Incisive Reporting - Cory Booker Could Be The Ideal Alternative
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:49 AM
Feb 2019

Booker's run for Newark City Council and then Mayor was so noteworthy that it earned a documentary film, "Street Fight", still available on Netflix discs by mail (I'm old school even though I have broadband).

Last week, Rachel did an outstanding introduction summarizing his success.

https://t.co/Ed9bEYEFWj

progressoid

(49,951 posts)
93. Whomever is the candidate, s/he will need to do better.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:26 PM
Feb 2019


A new survey suggests most African-American voters were voting against President Donald Trump when they cast their midterm ballots.

Nine out of 10 African-Americans surveyed on the eve of the election said they were voting or had already voted early for a Democrat in the congressional races, up from 77 percent who said so in July, according to the survey by the African American Research Collaborative. And while a number of GOP candidates distanced themselves from their party's controversial leader or just tried to ignore him, polling showed Trump might as well have been on the ballot himself, the survey indicated.

Nearly 8 in 10 African-Americans said Trump made them "angry," while 85 percent of black women and 81 percent of black men said Trump made them feel "disrespected," according to the study. Similar majorities of African-American voters – 89 percent of women and 83 percent of men – said Trump's statements and policies will cause "a major setback to racial progress."

...

African-Americans have long been a reliable Democratic vote. But turnout has been uneven, arguably making the difference in the 2008, 2012 and the 2016 elections. A record two-thirds of African-American voters showed up at the polls in 2012 to re-elect the nation's first black president, according to the Pew Research Center. In 2016, African-American turnout declined for the first time in a presidential election in 20 years, to 59.6. Political analysts and pollsters attributed the drop to Obama's absence from the ballot – and the decline may well have made the difference for losing Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, whom critics charge had taken the African-American vote for granted.

Derrick Johnson, president of the NAACP, said the nation will not be a true democracy until both political parties engage and value the votes of African-Americans and other minority populations. But those communities have work to do as well, he said.

"It's not incumbent on politicians to appeal to a community," Johnson said in the conference call. "It's incumbent on the communities to define the agenda of the party."



https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-11-19/trump-drove-black-voters-to-the-polls-to-choose-democrats


betsuni

(25,380 posts)
123. It's good Sanders has evolved on criminal justice reform, been pushed to the Left.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:01 AM
Feb 2019

Last year: "I'll be honest with you. I really didn't know this was happening. I had no idea hundreds of thousands of Americans, particularly African-Americans, were being held in jail, for months or years, even though they've never been convicted of a crime, simply because they can't afford bail. ... I've learned a lot. I see the racial disparities clearer than ever."

maxrandb

(15,298 posts)
131. Pfffffft! All he needs to do is pull ANY votes away from the Democratic Candidate to ensure
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:01 PM
Feb 2019

a Donnie Short Fingers win.

It is what he does.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
134. Given his habit of sticking his foot in his mouth, he probably won't do any better among POC.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:43 PM
Feb 2019

That combined with several other factors are why he has no path to victory. He's probably not even going to do as well in Iowa and New Hampshire this time around. By South Carolina, I predict he will drop out.

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