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(29,067 posts)rgbecker
(4,830 posts)but I need a source for the data claim. $7,000,000,000 in taxes from undocumented immigrants?
Laf.La.Dem.
(2,943 posts)Facebook and "source for the data claim" do not belong together
Roy Rolling
(6,915 posts)Let your RW fact checkers do some work they never do.
rgbecker
(4,830 posts)When I click on the links they send me to malware sites or simply 401 error pages.
I was hoping to do better, as I do have a few fellow Democrats among my friends.
I did find this...thanks for your help!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States
Duppers
(28,120 posts)I do not want to be on their level and lose credibility. Folks shouldn't joke about that.
Fla Dem
(23,655 posts)Unauthorized immigrants paid more than $20 billion in income taxes in 2015.
They also fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
By Alexia Fernández Campbell@AlexiaCampbellalexia@vox.com Updated Oct 25, 2018, 2:15pm EDT
One of the biggest misconceptions about undocumented immigrants is that they dont pay any taxes. In his first address to Congress in 2017, President Donald Trump set the tone for his immigration agenda when he said immigration costs US taxpayers billions of dollars a year.
Two years later, he is still repeating that lie. In his State of the Union speech on Tuesday, he once again suggested that unauthorized immigrants are a burden to US taxpayers.
Working-class Americans are left to pay the price for mass illegal immigration, Trump said, suggesting that undocumented immigrants are using government services and programs they dont pay for.
Thats not true. Contrary to this persistent myth, undocumented immigrants do in fact pay taxes. Millions of undocumented immigrants file tax returns each year, and they are paying taxes for many benefits they cant even use.
More>>>>
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes
Duppers
(28,120 posts)I saw that and sent it out.
🙏
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Illegal immigrants either use a stolen or fake social security card, hence pay in taxes and never file for a refund. Or they apply for an EIN (Employer Identification Number) from the IRS and use that to work.
alwaysinasnit
(5,066 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Granted, 2.5 years is a lifetime in news reporting these days (and may explain the lower estimated $$$) but this article carries weight because Forbes is anything but liberal, and therefore harder for RWers to ignore.
How Much Tax Do America's Undocumented Immigrants Actually Pay?
by Niall McCarthy
Forbes Oct 6, 2016
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/10/06/how-much-tax-do-americas-undocumented-immigrants-actually-pay-infographic/amp/
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According to a report from The Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy (ITEP), [undocumented workers] pay a hefty amount of state and local tax, just like other people living in the United States.
Collectively, Americas undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.64 billion in state and local taxes every year with at least 50 percent of undocumented immigrant households filing tax returns using Individual Tax Identification Numbers.
Many who do not file tax returns still have taxes deducted from their pay checks. Out of that $11.64 billion total, undocumented immigrants pay $6.9 billion in sales and excise taxes, $3.6 billion in property taxes and about $1.1 billion in personal income taxes. ITEP estimated that if Americas 11 million undocumented immigrants were granted citizenship allowing them to work legally, current state and tax contributions would be boosted by over $2.1 billion a year.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)spedtr90
(719 posts)The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who dont have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes. That doesnt even include workers who paid taxes with fake Social Security numbers on their W-2 forms, which is also common.
These undocumented workers pay taxes for benefits they cant even use, like Social Security and Medicare. They also arent eligible for benefits like the earned income tax credit. But the IRS still expects unauthorized immigrants to file their taxes, and many of them do so.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)llmart
(15,536 posts)We all know that there's a really good reason he wouldn't release his tax records. This meme, as powerful as it is, would be more powerful if we had proof that the idiot paid nothing in taxes but rants on and on about the "illegals" not contributing.
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)llmart
(15,536 posts)Another crock of shit.
robbob
(3,528 posts)At one of the debates with Hillary? Thats just good business, or something like that?
calimary
(81,220 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)madville
(7,408 posts)I believe right now , after a rule change in 2018, you can apply losses back 2 years or forward 20 years. pre-2018 losses had no time limit. Like if Amazon had past losses of 15 billion, they can write them down in future years. So if Amazon made 11 billion this year, then could apply past losses and have $0 net income for the year and no tax burden.
Amazon wasn't even profitable until just a few years ago. So all the years with a net operating loss are benefiting them now that they are profitable.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I mean if 'undocumented," how do they get a SS# or whatever.. to be able to even file a return?
Or does it mean in things like sales taxes?
madville
(7,408 posts)I believe technology has made this much harder though. They basically have stuff withheld out of their check and it used to actually benefit SS because you had all these people paying in that would never claim it later in life.
Raine
(30,540 posts)was either stolen or duplicated since the money was withheld and put into the SS system. That money must end up going to someone.
On edit: I see it was explained further down ... apparently the government ends up with it.
struggle4progress
(118,281 posts)madville
(7,408 posts)Amazon wasn't even profitable until a few years ago. Prior to 2018 there was no time limit carrying losses to future years or even applying them back to past years. The rules changed for post-2018 earning though, now losses can be carried back 2 years or forward 20 years, its a great benefit for businesses.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)TJKay
(27 posts)And maybe there is one; I'm certainly no tax expert. But, every year, it seems we get this stories of some large, profitable companies paying nothing in taxes.
pansypoo53219
(20,974 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)Cicada
(4,533 posts)Most undocumented workers work on the books by supplying a social security number which is not theirs. Employers withhold payroll taxes from their wages. The $7 billion figure refers to a government calculation of the employees half of social security and Medicare tax, 7.65% of wages. But economists tell us that realistically the employee pays both halves, the 7.65% withheld from the employees half but also the matching 7.65% sent in as the employers half. That is because employers are indifferent to the composition of total employee compensation. If there were no employers half of 7.65% the employer would just give that part to the employee as additional wages. The employee is worth 100% of wages plus 7.65% employer match to the employer and the employer will pay to whoever gets it the full amount the employee is worth. So the real payer of both halves is the employee. So undocumented really pay twice the seven billion, or 14 billion. But undocumented also pay state and local taxes. The Tax Foundation calculates that averages about 8% of wages for the undocumented. Thats another $7 billion or so. Sales tax, gas tax, alcohol tax, car tax, other taxes. But there is more. Many undocumented get an individual tax identification number, ITIN, other than a social security number to file form 1040. Any person on earth can get an individual tax identification number to pay US taxes they owe. They do this to document their compliance with US tax laws at a time they may be permitted to file an application to legally reside in the US. More tax is paid this way. How do we know undocumented pay $7 billion plus $7 billion social security and Medicare tax? When the social security number does not match the name for the number, after efforts to resolve the discrepancy, it goes into the Social Security Suspense Fund, thought to be almost exclusively from the undocumented. The amount in that fund is growing about $14 billion per year.