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MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:17 PM Feb 2019

Here's a typical 1962 GPS System for cars in that day.

Most of the Interstate Highway system still wasn't built, so the old highway numbers are still on the maps in this old road atlas. I found it on eBay, and bought it so I could trace some trips from that time and stimulate my memory. One of those trips was a family vacation from Southern California to the World's Fair in Seattle. No Interstate 5, back then, so we drove up Hwy 101 for the entire trip. I was 15 years old that Summer, and it was a long, two-week vacation in a 1959 Plymouth Savoy.

Sometimes, it's worth taking some time to look back on life in this country before everything started accelerating. We barely had a color TV in 1962. Gasoline was about 29 cents a gallon. There was much to see on that drive, mostly on two-lane highways that went through every town along the route. AM radio blaring in the car and not so much traffic on the road.

Looking back is a good thing. It helps with looking forward.

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Here's a typical 1962 GPS System for cars in that day. (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2019 OP
I still have a stack of Thomas Guides Codeine Feb 2019 #1
I really hate voice directions when I'm driving. So, I rarely use them. MineralMan Feb 2019 #4
That's the same procedure I follow Codeine Feb 2019 #17
Around here, street names change in many cities. MineralMan Feb 2019 #20
AAA used to plot a trip book for cardholders. It was a... brush Feb 2019 #44
Yes. Those were very useful, indeed. MineralMan Feb 2019 #45
Yep. Ohiogal Feb 2019 #58
Ditto. They were my introduction to navigation. n/t Beartracks Feb 2019 #64
They still do them. Not sure if they still print them up the same, PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #63
I am pretty sure that they still do this. efhmc Feb 2019 #73
They still do them and offer paper maps. we can do it Feb 2019 #117
I finally found something we disagree on... Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #39
My wife's like that. MineralMan Feb 2019 #40
Oh, I confuse "her" all the time by Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #50
Yes. I'd use it for that, too. I just don't do that, so MineralMan Feb 2019 #54
When in college I delivered payrolls for ADP on Long Island. Before I left I'd plot out my trip.... George II Feb 2019 #35
I sure wish we were all driving electric vehicles back then DemocracyMouse Feb 2019 #46
Thomas Brothers! In Los Angeles people lived by them More_Cowbell Feb 2019 #52
I live literally right at LibDemAlways Feb 2019 #56
The SOCONY maps were always wrong after JDR died... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #2
I still have an up-to-date road atlas. MineralMan Feb 2019 #5
I use both. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2019 #8
True story; Google Maps GPS kept trying to send me south from SC to NY... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #15
Oh, that can be really frustrating. MineralMan Feb 2019 #57
This advertisement says it all: Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #60
+1. Best thing for trips back then were AAA Triptiks. Among other things, I'm a moron when it Hoyt Feb 2019 #3
Wow! I've driven that particular route hundreds of times. MineralMan Feb 2019 #7
On the other hand, when my wife and I moved from California MineralMan Feb 2019 #13
I35 goes south all the way to Texas. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #68
I was on I-20. MineralMan Feb 2019 #98
Aha! I misread your post, thought you were talking about going PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #108
No problem. MineralMan Feb 2019 #109
one of my favorite one-line jokes.... lastlib Feb 2019 #104
LOL! MineralMan Feb 2019 #107
AAA was a biker's best friend... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #9
Born in Santa Maria... pecosbob Feb 2019 #11
Was just right near Santa Maria for Xmas :) Cal Poly Alum (as are both my 1st cousins) here ... mr_lebowski Feb 2019 #75
When I was 13 my family made our big trip using AAA TripTick. We went from Missouri to Arkansas Granny Feb 2019 #12
Oh, yeah! True Blue American Feb 2019 #55
I used one yesterday. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2019 #6
Since we're talking about Petroleum company pubs, what about the Shell Answer Man Books? Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #10
Very cool! MineralMan Feb 2019 #14
They coincided with the Shell / CBS promotional "Bicentennial Minute" Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #19
...of course, found an old ad via YT: Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #77
'Blue Highways' by William Least Heat Moon: panader0 Feb 2019 #16
Excellent book! MineralMan Feb 2019 #18
I remember how my family chose where to go using the old atlas ProudLib72 Feb 2019 #21
Yes! Planning a road trip was fun. MineralMan Feb 2019 #22
I still use 101 instead of I-5 sometimes. RockRaven Feb 2019 #23
Well, I lived in San Luis Obispo County for 35 years, MineralMan Feb 2019 #27
Check my pics above posted to Pecos I took Xmas 2018 :) mr_lebowski Feb 2019 #82
Cool! I recognize them all. MineralMan Feb 2019 #89
Once decided to take I-5 back from the Bay Area to So Cal a couple of days after LibDemAlways Feb 2019 #51
Hell yeah it is! (nt) mr_lebowski Feb 2019 #90
I always look at an atlas or individual maps before going to a completely new place. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #24
The best state maps were Exxon's (even when they were Esso)... TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #25
I recall that road maps were free at most gas stations randr Feb 2019 #26
Yes. The oil companies had great state maps. MineralMan Feb 2019 #28
Many times I will I had some of them randr Feb 2019 #110
They're cheap on ebay. MineralMan Feb 2019 #111
Thanks, I'll check it out randr Feb 2019 #112
Wow ! You had a color TV in 62 ? jaysunb Feb 2019 #29
Early adopters. MineralMan Feb 2019 #30
Lol my first thought. N/t jaysunb Feb 2019 #32
W bought a huge True Blue American Feb 2019 #91
Fun random fact: the cheapest gasoline's ever been, adjusted for inflation, was in 1998. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2019 #31
Cellphones have changed the way we get around so much Johnny2X2X Feb 2019 #33
So much has changed due to technology. MineralMan Feb 2019 #36
I remember car phones in the 80s Johnny2X2X Feb 2019 #47
I still use that GPS system. nt yaesu Feb 2019 #34
Well, I hope you have a more up-to-date road atlas. MineralMan Feb 2019 #38
I am 62 and hope I NEVER EVER have to look at another Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #37
Mt. Rushmore isn't a natural rock formation? Harker Feb 2019 #41
I still haven't seen Mt. Rushmore. MineralMan Feb 2019 #42
I can hardly remember it. Harker Feb 2019 #62
W took a day tour True Blue American Feb 2019 #93
I'd like to go back. n/t Harker Feb 2019 #99
Relatives have a ranch out there. True Blue American Feb 2019 #101
I am a map hoe. 7.5's are my fav for the woods, google earth if I looking for a particular place. GemDigger Feb 2019 #43
I had a 20 something d_r Feb 2019 #48
Kids. I always ask at the car rental exit how to get to the freeway I want. MineralMan Feb 2019 #66
I have gotten a car at lax before d_r Feb 2019 #115
Signage for car rental returns at LAX is lousy. MineralMan Feb 2019 #116
Thanks! d_r Feb 2019 #118
I keep an Atlas in my car all the time and get a new one every couple years. appleannie1943 Feb 2019 #49
What always amuses me is traffic gridlock, but nobody takes the first MineralMan Feb 2019 #53
You and I think alike. I have used the sun as my guide on macadam roads to get around I64 in appleannie1943 Feb 2019 #69
Right. I got lost in Minneapolis a while back. MineralMan Feb 2019 #74
Our summer family vacations were taken using this. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #59
Sounds like our family trips. MineralMan Feb 2019 #67
I prefer that kind of GPS system . . . must be the geezer in me. Vinca Feb 2019 #61
Ah, nostalgia Mr. Quackers Feb 2019 #65
Oh, I'm not doing that at all. MineralMan Feb 2019 #71
It's been my observation in recent years that people PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #70
That's true. MineralMan Feb 2019 #80
My 93yo mom kept all of hers Duppers Feb 2019 #72
hell, a whole lot of people (myself included) Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #76
Yup. There's one in my car, along with a street map of MineralMan Feb 2019 #84
Who among us could forget HoJo's, Esso gas and roadside parks? KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2019 #78
That's how I do it, too. MineralMan Feb 2019 #81
I have Thomas Guides from when I lived in SoCal! EllieBC Feb 2019 #79
That's a good point. Codeine Feb 2019 #95
Yes! I tried to explain that to my sister recently. EllieBC Feb 2019 #103
It's sad but true that a lot of kids today don't even know how to read a map infullview Feb 2019 #83
Without GPS, I'd be in big trouble Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #85
Look up in the sky. That big ball of light and the time of day MineralMan Feb 2019 #87
My kids can't figure out that I know which direction I am going in. True Blue American Feb 2019 #94
It's generally possible to tell where the sun is, even on a cloudy day. MineralMan Feb 2019 #96
I knew that!:) True Blue American Feb 2019 #100
I still carry a Rand McNally atlas in my car! Staph Feb 2019 #86
That's Smart. MineralMan Feb 2019 #88
I still carry one Bettie Feb 2019 #92
Another historic travel guide. Similar, but more essential. Marcuse Feb 2019 #97
I have a reprint of that. MineralMan Feb 2019 #106
We have maps in our Farraday bags underpants Feb 2019 #102
I am lost without my GPS ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #105
Yes I have a Rand McNally in my car BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #113
That's the one I have, too. MineralMan Feb 2019 #114
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Codeine

(25,586 posts)
1. I still have a stack of Thomas Guides
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:24 PM
Feb 2019

covering most of my state and surrounding environs, and I’m glad I know how to read a map and navigate accordingly, but damn — GPS is awesome. My job involves driving from store to store in towns out in the boondocks that I’m usually entirely unfamiliar with, and what a timesaver it is to just tap the location and let the iPad do the work.

Could I get there on my own? Absolutely. Do I want to be bothered? Nope!

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
4. I really hate voice directions when I'm driving. So, I rarely use them.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:28 PM
Feb 2019

Instead, if I know where I'm going, I look it up in advance on Google Maps and plan my route. Often, I even switch to satellite view and zoom in to see what things look like as I near my destination. Is there a left-turn lane for my destination. If so, I know about it in advance.

My wife and I went to a funeral last week in an unfamiliar place. I used that strategy and drove right to it, feeling familiar with the surroundings. I'm pretty systematic with planning trips to unfamiliar places. I can use the voice directions, if necessary, but prefer to have my route committed to memory before I leave.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
17. That's the same procedure I follow
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:40 PM
Feb 2019

for any “road trip”-type of journey with the family and for the first leg of my work travels. I’ll usually have a notecard with freeway junctions and street names and the requisite turns in case I forget, but I usually don’t end up needing it.

Once I’m at work that system becomes unwieldy so I switch to letting the magic box tell me where to go. The voice directions do rather work my nerves (and don’t get me started on the wildly-variable “quarter mile” distance it like to use) but I’ve mostly gotten used to it.

And GPS has let me down occasionally; I was in the high desert near 29 Palms and all the directions were WAY off. I ended up stopping at a gas station and grabbing a map; the clerk said they sell a lot for that reason.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
20. Around here, street names change in many cities.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:44 PM
Feb 2019

The GPS voice directions often don't understand the system, so truck drivers often get directed into residential neighborhoods in error. We have just such a scrambled street name mixup near our home, and we get 18-wheelers going down our street. One stopped near my home once, trying to figure out where he was. I went out, and gave him directions to the place he was supposed to be going.

GPS is great, except when it isn't.

brush

(53,759 posts)
44. AAA used to plot a trip book for cardholders. It was a...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:03 PM
Feb 2019

spiral-bound flip book with a section map of your route on each page with the road highlighted and notes on roadside attractions and monuments. It was pretty helpful back in those low-tech days.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
45. Yes. Those were very useful, indeed.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:06 PM
Feb 2019

It was one of the great advantages of a AAA membership. We never used them in my family, though. The road atlas and state maps were our substitute.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,839 posts)
63. They still do them. Not sure if they still print them up the same,
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:35 PM
Feb 2019

but AAA will still plot out trips for people.

Back before the interstates were built they were incredibly helpful. These days I'm astonished that people still have them made up, but I've been in my nearby AAA office more than once when someone is having one made.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,105 posts)
39. I finally found something we disagree on...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:47 PM
Feb 2019

I can't get to my mailbox and back without my phone gps. And refuse to do so.

If I drive to an area that is "out of service range" I am lost. Figuratively and literally.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
40. My wife's like that.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:53 PM
Feb 2019

I think it's funny. I can't tell you how many times I've asked her to turn the damned voice directions off. I mean, I'm already in the correct lane for the next exit long before that disembodied voice tells me to move to the right lane. I saw the sign for that exit a couple of miles earlier and made the lane switch already.

Her phone wanted to send us off at the wrong exit the last time we went to an unfamiliar destination. My wife was confused when I didn't take the exit the voice said to take. I told her that my route was better, and took an exit closer to our destination. She admitted that I was right when I turned left, drove two blocks and then turned left into the parking lot where we were going. But she still said, "But that's not the way the phone said to go." I just said, "OK. We're here now."

Ferrets are Cool

(21,105 posts)
50. Oh, I confuse "her" all the time by
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:14 PM
Feb 2019

taking different routes but "she" never gets mad.

I go to different addresses every day that I have never visited before (Real Estate Photographer) so it is an indispensable tool for me to make my day easier.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
54. Yes. I'd use it for that, too. I just don't do that, so
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:20 PM
Feb 2019

I either already know my route or have looked it up.

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. When in college I delivered payrolls for ADP on Long Island. Before I left I'd plot out my trip....
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:40 PM
Feb 2019

....on a map. Sure wish I had GPS back then. It would have saved me a lot of time.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
46. I sure wish we were all driving electric vehicles back then
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:08 PM
Feb 2019

Nostalgia for gas guzzlers, frankly, is a mixed emotion....

Green New Deal anyone? In a decade it will be too late to looj up the term and consider why so many Democratic leaders are starting to endorse it.

More_Cowbell

(2,190 posts)
52. Thomas Brothers! In Los Angeles people lived by them
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:17 PM
Feb 2019

In fact we'd say "I'm at p. 49 in the Thomas Brothers guide." Good memories

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
56. I live literally right at
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:26 PM
Feb 2019

the LA-Ventura County border, one street over the Ventura County line. My street, however, only appeared in the LA County Thomas Guide; so whenever I had to reference the guide for someone visiting, I'd have to make sure they were looking at the LA County edition. Was a pain in the ass when I needed a Ventura County crew out here to clean a storm drain. They woud insist my street didn't exist.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
2. The SOCONY maps were always wrong after JDR died...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:24 PM
Feb 2019

...the map makers stopped getting their "dimes" so they said "eff it".

All kidding aside, I collected maps we used in our travels as a child. After getting my pilot's license, I, inexplicably, started saving Sectional Charts and Approach procedures, even after expiration. Not that I would use them, but the fuse that tells me, "this is official - you might need this" never blew.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
5. I still have an up-to-date road atlas.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:31 PM
Feb 2019

I don't use it on the road, though. Instead, if we're going on a long road trip, I learn the route in advance, so I can just drive without distractions. On the other hand, my wife, who is usually the passenger, has her iPhone programmed for our destination and wants to have it on during the trip. I hate that. However, it has pulled our asses out of several fires, so, why not?

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
15. True story; Google Maps GPS kept trying to send me south from SC to NY...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:39 PM
Feb 2019

...probably a broken GPS antenna in my phone, but it kept telling me to get off at the next exit and make two lefts.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
57. Oh, that can be really frustrating.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:29 PM
Feb 2019

Plus, if you're depending on it to find your way, such screw ups can really mess up your trip.

My favorite was a trip to and from South Dakota from our home in the Twin Cities. On the way back, I decided to take a side road home to avoid all the construction on the Interstates. So, I jumped on Hwy 169 off I-90. It goes right to Minneapolis, where I could get back on I-94 to go to St. Paul. It's actually a shorter route, but takes about the same time, due to lower speeds.

So, my wife got nervous and turned on voice directions. I told her that we'd be on 169 all the way, and didn't need that, since there are, you know, signs and stuff. There are a couple of jogs on that route where 169 shifts either East or West and you have to make a turn to continue. Signage is very clear about what to do to continue on 169.

The voice was always about half a mile late about every one of those jogs. I'd already have made the jog, when the voice would come on and tell me to do what I had done already in "half a mile." Since my wife wasn't paying attention to the actual road, she kept panicking that I wasn't making the turns the voice said. I finally insisted that she shut the phone off since it and she were distracting me from driving.

She did and we got home just fine. Her mother was in the back seat, but she pretty much slept for the entire 4.5 hour drive.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. +1. Best thing for trips back then were AAA Triptiks. Among other things, I'm a moron when it
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:27 PM
Feb 2019

comes to directions. But in 1979 took off from East Coast to California. Would never have made it without the Triptiks. You had to order them, and it took days to get your custom prepared directions. Very handy. GPS is a modern wonder, though.






MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
13. On the other hand, when my wife and I moved from California
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:37 PM
Feb 2019

to Minnesota, driving one car and a 24' moving truck, she asked me if I'd have a map in the truck, since I was leading. "Nope," I said. All I need to know is that we turn left onto I-35 in Texas.

I had the last leg of the trip to her parent's house in Minnesota committed to memory, so I never looked at a map even once on the trip. Interstates all the way.

But, she was in charge of finding all the Motel 6 locations for our five stops. She'd pass me, and lead me to them. Why Motel 6? They allow pets, so our two cats had a place to sleep, and the ones we chose all had pull-through truck parking spots. It took us 6 days to go the 2500 miles. Never again!

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,839 posts)
68. I35 goes south all the way to Texas.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:43 PM
Feb 2019

I'm guessing you made a left hand turn on I40 in Oklahoma, on I20 in Dallas-Ft Worth, or I10 around San Antonio.

I've driven significant segments off all those interstates, some pretty much coast to coast although never in one trip.

I know, picky, picky, picky.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
98. I was on I-20.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:33 PM
Feb 2019

One left turn onto I-10 in California, trend left on I-20, and then turn left on I-35. Three lefts to get to Minnesota. Couldn't be simpler. We took that route to avoid crossing mountain ranges. My second-hand U-Haul 24' truck was loaded to its maximum gross vehicle weight and had 186,000 miles on it. I figured the less strain, the better.

No other driving directions needed, until I-35 splits into I-35E and I-35W in Minnesota. From there, I had detailed directions to get to my in-laws house.

My general driving strategy is to take the route with the least number of turns and changes of highway. Sometimes, you go a little farther, but the drive is a lot simpler that way.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,839 posts)
108. Aha! I misread your post, thought you were talking about going
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 07:40 PM
Feb 2019

from Minneapolis to California.

Apologies for poor reading comprehension.

lastlib

(23,197 posts)
104. one of my favorite one-line jokes....
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 07:00 PM
Feb 2019

The best thing to come out of Texas is I-35......

(of course, that is overlooking Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins and Ann Richards (and now I have to add Beto O'Rourke))

Wounded Bear

(58,626 posts)
9. AAA was a biker's best friend...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:34 PM
Feb 2019

Those county level maps with all the back roads, the really twisty ones that bikers love, were the bomb.

pecosbob

(7,534 posts)
11. Born in Santa Maria...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:36 PM
Feb 2019

my dad worked at Vandenberg....101 will always be the Redwood Highway to me.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
75. Was just right near Santa Maria for Xmas :) Cal Poly Alum (as are both my 1st cousins) here ...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:01 PM
Feb 2019

I think address of my Cousin's place is in Grover City, but close enough

I'll share some pics from Dec 24-26, 2018 ... all but the last 2 are within 1.5 miles of the 101, just north of Santa Maria ...

At Best Western in AG, looking back towards the 101 ...


Downtown AG


Looking out over Pismo, Dunes in the Background


Pirates Cove, Looking South towards Pismo


Avila Beach Pier


Port San Luis Beach


Morro Rock


Robin's restaurant, Cambria (where my cousin once-removed is a chef, had xmas eve dinner there)

Arkansas Granny

(31,513 posts)
12. When I was 13 my family made our big trip using AAA TripTick. We went from Missouri to
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:37 PM
Feb 2019

the state of Washington, to California and then back home. We used travellers checks on the way, as well, because my mom was afraid to carry that much cash. We slept in motels, but all of our meals were picnic style. My mother's greatest regret was that we didn't make a side trip to the Grand Canyon on the way home, but she was counting pennies by that time and just felt like we couldn't afford another night on the road.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
55. Oh, yeah!
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:25 PM
Feb 2019

i forgot AAA Triptiks

Used them all the time. Hate GPS, just Google maps.

I can tell you this, from where I live close to The Appalachian highway, Old 25 or maybe 27 11 1/2 hours to Knoxville became 4 1/2 hours on I 75.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
10. Since we're talking about Petroleum company pubs, what about the Shell Answer Man Books?
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:35 PM
Feb 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Answer_Man

The Shell Answer Man was a series of television advertisements from the 1960s through the 1990s sponsored by Shell Oil in which answers were provided to common questions from the public about driving, with advice on vehicle maintenance, repair and safety, as well as guidance to users of home heating oil. Companion booklets, a series titled the Shell Answer Books, were inserted into major magazines and distributed as free giveaways at Shell gas stations. The ads were aimed at typical drivers, helping inform them how to avoid wasting gasoline through such tips as not making jackrabbit starts, ensuring proper tire inflation, regular oil changes and proper basic maintenance of their vehicle, as well as guidance on how to get the most out of heating one's home.

The campaign was developed in the late 1960s for Shell by the advertising firm of Ogilvy & Mather, a relationship that would continue for nearly four decades. Print ads addressed other oil uses, such as touting the benefits of switching to an oil-powered hot water heater and encouraging those using oil to heat their homes to ensure they have enough oil in their tank before the cold weather arrives. By the time Shell ended the relationship in 1999, Ogilvy & Mather had 60 employees based in Houston, Texas largely dedicated to the Shell account, and when O&M closed the office in Houston it dropped other local accounts that it could no longer justify supporting.

Actor and announcer Don Morrow appeared in the campaign in the 1960s, offering tips to drivers. Actor Vince O'Brien landed the role of the Shell Answer Man in the late 1960s and 1970s, an opportunity he described in a newspaper interview as being "like hitting the state lottery." O'Brien's balding, mature appearance made him an effective authority figure in the campaign. Actor Richard Anderson played the role of the Shell Answer Man in the 1970s and 1980s.




I read every one of them by the mid-70's, and remembered them throughout my driving experiences.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
14. Very cool!
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:39 PM
Feb 2019

Gas Stations had lots of useful stuff at the time. Including local maps and employees who could give you directions. Today, not so much.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
19. They coincided with the Shell / CBS promotional "Bicentennial Minute"
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:42 PM
Feb 2019

I thought, at 10, reading the Shell books was also patriotic.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
16. 'Blue Highways' by William Least Heat Moon:
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:40 PM
Feb 2019

The interstate highways are faster, but the blue highways, the blue lines on the
road maps, are the best, if time is not an issue.

https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Highways-Journey-into-America/dp/0316353299

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
21. I remember how my family chose where to go using the old atlas
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:44 PM
Feb 2019

and a drafting compass. Measure out the distance it would take to drive in one day, two days, three days, and mark the circumference of each from the starting point of our house. Decide which destinations fell within each.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
22. Yes! Planning a road trip was fun.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:46 PM
Feb 2019

My father always wanted to drive straight through. My mom and us kids wanted to stop at everything interesting. There was compromise. My mom usually won.

RockRaven

(14,951 posts)
23. I still use 101 instead of I-5 sometimes.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:47 PM
Feb 2019

There are more things to see and interesting places to stop. Of course, I'm partial to coastal regions in the first place.

I-5 is very utilitarian -- it gets you from A to B a little faster, but it is an unpleasant experience to be endured rather than a journey to be enjoyed, imo.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
27. Well, I lived in San Luis Obispo County for 35 years,
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:56 PM
Feb 2019

so 101 was my main route north and south. I don't really like I-5 all that much, especially through the central valley. It's extremely boring to drive, even though it's faster.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
82. Check my pics above posted to Pecos I took Xmas 2018 :)
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:12 PM
Feb 2019

Probably know some o' them spots ...

Post #75

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
89. Cool! I recognize them all.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:19 PM
Feb 2019

I've been in Minnesota, now, since 2004, but I lived there long enough that all of those places are burned deeply into my memory! Thanks for the photos!

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
51. Once decided to take I-5 back from the Bay Area to So Cal a couple of days after
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:17 PM
Feb 2019

Christmas. Nightmare time. Everyone had the same idea. Bumper to bumper traffic almost the entire way. Never again. I don't care how long it takes. 101 is scenic and infinitely more pleasurable.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
24. I always look at an atlas or individual maps before going to a completely new place.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:49 PM
Feb 2019

I bring them with, as well. I use GPS but taking time to look at maps gives me a better understanding of where I am and what's around me. I honestly love all of the options. Then again, I'm a map collector.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
25. The best state maps were Exxon's (even when they were Esso)...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:54 PM
Feb 2019

at least here in the Northeast. That stopped when they decided it was no longer good to be the biggest, just the most profitable.

When I had to travel locally (which was every day) the Hagstrom's county maps were necessary. A rack of them in every gas station and 7-11, there was no reason to get lost.

I still have a Tom-Tom around here somewhere, but Google on my phone is more accurate-- and has the satellite and street view modes.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
28. Yes. The oil companies had great state maps.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:01 PM
Feb 2019

People were loyal to particular brands, and the maps were part of that. Of course, unfolding and folding those huge maps was quite an undertaking in the car, as I remember. My mom was a terrible map reader, too, so that was a source of confusion and worse. I can't even count the number of times we pulled over so my father could look at the map himself.

I was better at reading maps, so when I was about 14, that responsibility fell on my shoulders, and the pull-overs ended. "In about 5 miles, you'll want to turn right on Hwy 46." "OK."

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
29. Wow ! You had a color TV in 62 ?
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:03 PM
Feb 2019

Lol. I don't think I saw one before 65 and most shows were in black and white.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
31. Fun random fact: the cheapest gasoline's ever been, adjusted for inflation, was in 1998.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:15 PM
Feb 2019

There was an oil glut thanks to the Asian financial crisis that year; I remember paying 63 cents a gallon in 1998 (that''s 11 cents in 1962 dollars).

Johnny2X2X

(19,021 posts)
33. Cellphones have changed the way we get around so much
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:36 PM
Feb 2019

I remember in college in the 90s before cellphones were used at all. We'd get a big group of people together to go to a concert a few hours away and it would be 3-4 car loads of people trying to meet in a city no one was familiar with hundreds of miles away. You just had to hope every car got there within a couple hours of each other. If someone's car broke down they'd have to call back home and leave a message hoping someone on the trip would think to call home.

I don't know how we did it.

And even when I was driving a long distance by myself, I'd have to map it out and write down directions. Today, I get an address, get into my car and press a button and verbally ask for directions and my tells me where to go exactly and it works better and better each year.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
36. So much has changed due to technology.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:42 PM
Feb 2019

It's easy to forget how much. Sometimes, I like to look back and remember how we did things in earlier times.

I remember my first cell phone in 1992. Big old Brick phone that cost $100, with a service contract. I could have gotten a bag phone for free, but I wanted a smaller phone.

Problem was that it didn't work for what I bought it for. It was for emergency calls on the road. Most often, though, there was no signal except in more urban areas. So much for that plan. I don't think we ever used it all that much. A couple of years later, we tossed that big brick for a Motorola Flip Phone. We "went Moto!"

Now, my smart phone is a better computer than the desktop machine I was using then. Amazing progress in just a few years.

Johnny2X2X

(19,021 posts)
47. I remember car phones in the 80s
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:10 PM
Feb 2019

I had a friend who used to occasionally get to drive his dad's Caddie that had a phone it in, used to love pretending I was talking on it as we went down the road. Cost a fortune to make a call so we only did that when it was a must. Had no idea where we would end up with a computer in the palm of our had that was capable of accesses all of the world's information.

Other than a couple features, the cell phones we take for granted today are a lot cooler than the little com devices Captain Kirk had on Star Trek.

Harker

(14,007 posts)
41. Mt. Rushmore isn't a natural rock formation?
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:55 PM
Feb 2019

GPS might save you time by planning optimal routes, but you can't say, "take the most beautiful route."

I'd sooner use a map and some personal recommendations.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
42. I still haven't seen Mt. Rushmore.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:00 PM
Feb 2019

Neither has my wife, who was born in South Dakota. We had a trip planned, but then my brother got gravely ill and I had to fly to California, instead. Maybe we'll go this spring. It would be a nice road trip, and we could see other things along the way.

When my wife was growing up as a child in SD, all vacations in her family were to visit relatives. She had no relatives in Rapid City, so they never went there. Weird. My family also visited relatives, but we only stayed one day with them and then went on to see other things. We got to travel all around the western states when I was growing up. We saw everything, pretty much, camping in tents along the way. Those two week vacations were always explorations. I love my parents for giving us all those experiences.

Harker

(14,007 posts)
62. I can hardly remember it.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:33 PM
Feb 2019

I was there as a young child in the early sixties on one of my father's torture road trips. Up before dawn, drive like hell to make point B, C, and D... ugh. A big city company man's idea of relaxation.

I like meandering with an open mind and open eyes, and have always traveled slowly (and richly) since. I love, as you put it, seeing other things along the way. The ruined little church on a country road, the marsh that isn't on the map - the little details make for fine memories.

My wife and I took it easy on our move from CO to PA 18 months ago, enjoying our first looks at the Badlands, MN, and WI on our drive. Very rewarding.

I'm sorry about your brother's illness, and hope that this coming Spring brings better things to you and yours.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
93. W took a day tour
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:14 PM
Feb 2019

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The bus had to line up perfectly straight to go through the tunnel. Then you came out Mount Rushmore was there,right in front of you. What a sight!

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
43. I am a map hoe. 7.5's are my fav for the woods, google earth if I looking for a particular place.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:01 PM
Feb 2019

Before long I will have the whole state (less cities) in 7.5's. They don't print them anymore so I print them and tape them and make my own. I update my Rand McNally every couple of years and my old ones are the ones I write all over. Sapphires here, gold there, friend there and so on.


d_r

(6,907 posts)
48. I had a 20 something
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:10 PM
Feb 2019

Year old person working the counter at a Car rental ask me with complete serious and sincerity, him people for d their way before GPS. When I explained about maps she asked how we could look at them while driving, and, when I told her sometimes you would have to ask someone for directions she seemed shocked one would ask a stranger.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
66. Kids. I always ask at the car rental exit how to get to the freeway I want.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:39 PM
Feb 2019

Sometimes they know, and sometimes they don't. I think that's weird. They must get that question from half of the people who go out the exit from the rental parking lot. Fortunately, I'm very familiar with the area around LAX, which is where I'm picking up the car. I used different car rental companies, based solely on cost. So, I'm not always sure where I am when I get off the shuttle bus.

Still, if the exit worker doesn't know where to get on the 405 freeway northbound, I just have to drive a couple of blocks away from the rental place to know where I am. Then, I can find the on-ramp myself. I always wonder what people who have never been to the LA area do. It can be pretty confusing, to say the least.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
115. I have gotten a car at lax before
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:13 PM
Feb 2019

and it can be a mess. This summer we are getting a car at san fransisco airport, going yosemite, then sequoia / kings canyon, then joshua tree and return car to fly out of lax, should be an adventure.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
116. Signage for car rental returns at LAX is lousy.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:18 PM
Feb 2019

Pay close attention as you go. It helps to have someone else watch for the signs. There's a rental car return exit on the 405 freeway. Use it. Otherwise you'll miss the individual company signs.

appleannie1943

(1,303 posts)
49. I keep an Atlas in my car all the time and get a new one every couple years.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:13 PM
Feb 2019

Sometimes, oh a busy traffic day, taking back roads is faster than any the GPS system comes up with.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
53. What always amuses me is traffic gridlock, but nobody takes the first
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:19 PM
Feb 2019

available exist to take an alternative route. A lot of commuters know only one way to get where they're going. They're oblivious to all the surface streets that will take them to the same place. So, they sit on the freeway, not moving, when they could be driving toward their destination.

appleannie1943

(1,303 posts)
69. You and I think alike. I have used the sun as my guide on macadam roads to get around I64 in
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:49 PM
Feb 2019

Norfolk to get to 17 in Fredericksburg and when I drove under the I-95 overpass the same gridlock was overhead that was in Norfolk.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
74. Right. I got lost in Minneapolis a while back.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:55 PM
Feb 2019

That city has terrible signage indicating where freeway on-ramps are. I was heading back to St. Paul, so I found the first big street heading East and drove down it until I got to another street that had a freeway onramp to where I was going. I wasn't really lost. I just didn't know exactly how to get where I wanted to go, so I headed in that general direction until I found something familiar.

We seem to have lost our sense of direction, somehow.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
59. Our summer family vacations were taken using this.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:32 PM
Feb 2019

The atlas on my Mom's lap, my Dad yelling at her to "figure out where we are" so he knew where to turn.

 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
65. Ah, nostalgia
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:38 PM
Feb 2019

one of the most conservative sentiments around.

I'll take real-time traffic updates and alternate routes over a paper map.

The paper map doesn't alert you to police activity, wrecks, traffic jams, etc.

But you keep pining for the old days, bud.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
71. Oh, I'm not doing that at all.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:51 PM
Feb 2019

I use today's technology in appropriate ways. However, I'm not tied to it and hopeless without it. There's a road atlas in my car. It's in the back. I rarely need it, but when I do, it's a much faster way to find an alternative route if I need one.

But, I plan road trips before leaving, using Google maps. Where necessary, I print detail maps. Then, I look at them before setting off and know my route by heart, so I don't need turn-by-turn voice instructions. There's also a couple of smart phones in the car, which will let me consult Google Maps if necessary, in case of changes or road construction, or something else that makes a change necessary.

However, I can still read a map just fine, and have one with me. I probably won't need it, but it's there.

Still, sometimes, it's fun to pull out a road atlas and see where you might go. It can suggest a trip very well. It can show me places I might like to see better than the computer can or the cell phone. Many of our day trips are to places I've found on a map, when I was just looking at the map for fun.

All kinds of technology are useful. The trick is to use the technology that is the best choice at the time. That doesn't always involve an electronic display. Paper maps are technology-based, too.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,839 posts)
70. It's been my observation in recent years that people
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:50 PM
Feb 2019

who rely solely on GPS to get anywhere, often get lost or wind up taking a circuitous route to get there.

I don't have a smart phone, so no GPS for me. I rely on real maps, which I purchase or get from AAA anew every year or so. I also look at a map on line, usually googlemaps on my home computer, before I set out to a new place.

Some years back when I had a stand alone GPS in my car, I asked it to route me from Overland Park, KS (next to Kansas City, MO) to Tulsa, OK. It wanted me to to to Oklahoma City first. Look at a map and you'll see how stupid that was. I somehow could not delete that trip. Every time I got in the car it wanted me to head to OKC, so I eventually tossed it.

While I do understand the usefulness of a GPS, people really ought to look at an actual map once in a while.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
80. That's true.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:07 PM
Feb 2019

We have a friend who uses phone directions for everything. She's always late to everything. She doesn't always follow the voice's instructions and then gets lost and the phone is trying to recalculate, but she misunderstands. Several times, she has called my wife's phone and asked how to get to wherever we are. Then we have to ask her where she is, which she doesn't know. So we ask her what she can see from where she is. My wife tells me and I give directions from there to where we are.

It's all a bit wacky, really. She needs the directions from her phone, but doesn't always follow them correctly. What a mess!

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
72. My 93yo mom kept all of hers
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:52 PM
Feb 2019

She collected for *7* decades!! She had the travel bug worse than anyone I know personally.

She died new years day, so I have inherited a huge stack of maps, along with 50+ albums of photos and those old slides (shown in projectors).



Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
76. hell, a whole lot of people (myself included)
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:02 PM
Feb 2019

still use an atlas...

In fact, there's never NOT one in my car

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
84. Yup. There's one in my car, along with a street map of
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:14 PM
Feb 2019

Minneapolis and St. Paul. Why wouldn't you have that? Minneapolis is full of one-way streets, and it's very easy to get lost in that city. I'm not intimately familiar with it, so a map is sometimes necessary.

Worst of all, though, is the fact that Minneapolis has both numbered streets and avenues, which cross each other. Stupidest city plan I've ever seen, except for Salt Lake City. People are forever giving directions like, "I'm at the corner of 24th and 8th." That's meaningless. They assume you know which is the street and which is the avenue.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
78. Who among us could forget HoJo's, Esso gas and roadside parks?
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:05 PM
Feb 2019

Thanks for the nostalgia, MineralMan. Still have all my state maps, atlas and city map book.

I've had a habit most of my life to have my route memorized before I leave, or at least review it thoroughly ahead of time. Still do that today, although I use Google Maps on my desktop to see my routes.

...........

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
81. That's how I do it, too.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:09 PM
Feb 2019

As I always have, I make sure I know the exit before the exit I need to take, too. Then, I always print a detail map for the area around my destination so I can find my way if I make a wrong turn. That has happened often enough that those detail maps are a lifesaver.

EllieBC

(3,010 posts)
79. I have Thomas Guides from when I lived in SoCal!
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:06 PM
Feb 2019

I hate GPS. I do not learn how to get anywhere. Maps taught me how to get places.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
95. That's a good point.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:18 PM
Feb 2019

The places I have gotten to using my map reading skills are places I can get to without even thinking about it, while the places I have gotten to via GPS are places that I often have to get back to using GPS.

If I didn’t “think” myself there the first time I can’t “think” myself there the second time.

EllieBC

(3,010 posts)
103. Yes! I tried to explain that to my sister recently.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 06:54 PM
Feb 2019

She and her husband use GPS all the time. They lived in SoCal for 5 years and never learned to get anywhere unless the GPS told them, "take the next exit!". Now they live in NC and have for 3 years and still cannot get many places without their GPS.

I think it is ridiculous. If you use a map you help yourself develop muscle memory to get where you are going.

infullview

(978 posts)
83. It's sad but true that a lot of kids today don't even know how to read a map
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:12 PM
Feb 2019

You used to be able to buy them at service stations for about $1.19 - you can't even find them anymore. People are now so dependent on GPS that the idea of using land marks and directions to find your destination is almost a lost art. Every time I have to drive to Boston, I just use the Pru center to guide me. A GPS won't work in Central/North end because they change things around so much, it's impossible to keep up. One day you're driving on Washington in the North end, and it's a two way street, the next time you visit, it's a one way, and all the traffic patterns are different.

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
85. Without GPS, I'd be in big trouble
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:14 PM
Feb 2019

We moved from California to New Jersey last year. I couldn’t even tell you which direction is north and which is south right now. I’m so grateful for GPS.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
87. Look up in the sky. That big ball of light and the time of day
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:16 PM
Feb 2019

will tell you the cardinal directions. Or open the compass app on your cell phone.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
94. My kids can't figure out that I know which direction I am going in.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:18 PM
Feb 2019

I said,” See the sun going down? We are going north.” Next question,” what if the sun isn’t shining?” My answer? “ Guess!”

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
96. It's generally possible to tell where the sun is, even on a cloudy day.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:24 PM
Feb 2019

My father taught me how to determine the cardinal points when I was only about 8 years old. Later, he taught me how to use a compass going out and coming back, and how to identify and recognize landmarks to help me find my way. I learned to triangulate landmarks, estimate distances, and how to read a topo map. I also learned the night sky and the constellations throughout the year. I was never a scout, but I learned all of those skills and more from my Dad. By the time I was 10, I was allowed to hike anywhere in the hills and valleys around my small town, and did a lot of that. I never got lost. Not once.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
100. I knew that!:)
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:43 PM
Feb 2019

But you would be surprised at the people who have no sense of direction.

I remember heading to Iowa once. My Son went on the freeway, I was not paying attention, but when I looked I told them they were going east, not west. That caused a big discussion that I was wrong,the other 3 were right. After a couple more signs we got off, headed west.

Never questioned again.

But put me in a building! Different story.

Staph

(6,251 posts)
86. I still carry a Rand McNally atlas in my car!
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 03:16 PM
Feb 2019

Along with my Garmin GPS.

For someone who likes to travel in out-of-the-way places, cell phone GPS is useless. You have to have a nearby cell tower to know where you are going. I can't use my cell phone GPS when I'm going to visit my relatives in rural West Virginia or Montana. My Garmin works everywhere. Even when I'm going somewhere familiar, I often use the GPS (with the sound off) just to get an estimate of when I'm going to arrive.

So why do I carry the atlas? Partly habit. As a kid, on family trips, we would get out the atlas (or the stack of Esso state maps!) each evening, and plan the next day's route. My dad taught us to read the maps and let us kids make some of the decisions -- to find interesting places to visit, new roads that we had not traveled before on our way to visit Grandma in Montana.


Bettie

(16,083 posts)
92. I still carry one
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:11 PM
Feb 2019

might not help me get to a place in a town, but highways and interstates don't change all that much!

ZeroSomeBrains

(638 posts)
105. I am lost without my GPS
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 07:02 PM
Feb 2019

Thank god for modern GPS because I would never know where I should turn without it. My parents know almost all the street names and everything and I always am completely lost at where they are talking about.

BumRushDaShow

(128,729 posts)
113. Yes I have a Rand McNally in my car
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:07 PM
Feb 2019

(despite my car having a built-in navigation system - just updated the maps on that this past summer)

It's a huge spiral book thing but it can slide in a pocket on the back of the front row seats (I actually store it in a pocket behind the 2nd row seats).

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