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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy isn't Vladimir Putin being talked about in the same breath as Osama and Saddam Hussein?
John Oliver's latest insight into the mess that is Brexit got me thinking about what Vladimir Putin has put the entire world through in the last decade. He's made hate fashionable again and given rise to brutal dictators around the world, turned democracies upside down, families against each other, and alliances inside out. It's essentially your conspiracy theory loving uncle's worst fears about the CIA come to life. Sure, every brutal dictator has an organization that they control - Saddam had the Ba'ath Party and Bin Laden had the Al'Qaeda. You know what Putin has? He has an organization called the Internet Research Agency. And no good can come of an organization with the name IRA can it? Just ask Northern Ireland who has been dealing with the terrorist Irish Republican Army that you shouldn't trust an organization called IRA.
So while we were all distracted, Putins IRA has done immeasurable damage to the worlds collective psyche. Since 2016 were learning just how much damage the IRA did to not only America, but to the whole world. It started with Chechnya, where they elected Kadyrov based off far right fears about the LGBT community that were cultivated on social media and are being carried out by his followers in an almost genocidal fashion. Yes, we have genocide again thanks to Putin's IRA. Remember, Hitler didn't carry out the Holocaust by himself, he had his most hardcore and insane followers willing to do his every bidding, and that's what these leaders who are getting elected are secretly hoping to accomplish. But they won't say it out loud.
Then it spread to Poland, Hungary and the Ukraine. We should have seen our own fate with the whole Crimea mess and Brexit where theyre still trying to sort out this madness, and then it moved on to the Philippines and Turkey where they elected Duterte and Erdogan, both ultra far right dictator wannabes. And most recently it spread to Brazil where they elected far right Bolsonaro with the help of Americas ultra far right, and even France where far right douchebags are protesting the most recent election, because, they read too much trolling and misinformation about France's new president on social media and it warped their minds. And even recently they tried to turn the people of Spain against each other. Even ISIS - yes, ISIS - started mobilizing and organizing through their connections on Facebook and Twitter. They're knocking off countries one by one and you're next.
Hell, were learning that Putins IRA may have had a hand in the early days of the anti vaccination movement. Yes, thanks to online trolls, deadly diseases from your childhood that were supposedly eradicated decades ago are coming back in a big way because parents refuse to vaccinate their kids. I get it, no one wants to get autism but is bringing back polio and small pox what we really need? Yes, polio and small pox - two diseases that were supposedly eradicated decades ago, are being made fashionable again! Ha ha, well, hey, it's your funeral, anti vaccination crusaders!
And Nazism. Yes, the IRA has made neo Nazism, white supremacy, xenophobia and anti Semitism fashionable again. Its like were watching Hitlers master plan unfold on a grand scale. Ha, if only the Nazis had access to Facebook, wed be totally different right now. Were seeing Jewish cemeteries being vandalized daily. The FBI is reporting that since 2016, were seeing an untold rise in hate crimes not just in the USA but around the globe. And teenagers are thinking it's now cool to be a Nazi. Remember that Unite The Right rally where they were carrying pitchforks and torches screaming Neo Nazi slogans and beating the shit out of anyone who's not white? Yeah things like that are becoming common place now thanks to Putin's IRA.
But dont you dare talk about Putin in the same breath as those other dictators and career terrorists, because hes got a weapon of his own. Sure those other brutal dictators have their own weapons including gas and bombs, but Putin's weapon of choice is social media. He's using it to turn families against each other, states against their own countries, and countries against their own alliances. Hell if Facebook had been around during the Revolutionary War, we'd be under British rule and France would have given the Statue Of Liberty to Mexico!
And if you ever dare speak out against this regime, Putin will have an answer for you. Thats right, hes got a programmable smart bomb called Satan 2 that could wipe out an area the size of Los Angeles. Yet he's pitting us against North Korea, a country whose attempt at making similar weaponry has been absolutely laughable at best. Makes you wonder what happened to Satan one doesn't it?
Sleep tight everybody!
JHB
(37,157 posts)Osama had Al Queda. The Taliban were friendly to Al Queda and let them operate in Afghanistan, but they weren't the same thing.
Al Queda hated Saddam as an apostate. When he invaded Kuwait, they volunteered themselves to the Saudis to fight him, until Bush sent US troops to Saudi lands.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)...they learned well from the Evangelicals.
America, as a national entity, is as scared as any weak nation in history. Frightened from within. Man, need to watch "Bowling for Columbine" again, which laid out the "fear=conservatism" angle better than any other media instrument of the last 100 years.
okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)Initech
(100,040 posts)"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering".
We're currently in the hate phase and are heading toward the suffering phase. I wonder what comes after that?
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)...expecting a funny, "family dinner" romp. What I saw was closer to "'1984' meets "Something Wild". But, what was portrayed was way closer to reality than what made me comfortable, previously.
Great movie, highly recommended. But, recognize the short leap from what the movie portrays to REALITY.
BN1914
(39 posts)And said party left the door open for Russia and others to come in and fan the flames of our divisions.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)BN1914
(39 posts)You won't find a document in Putin's office that says "Kill X dissident" or "Intervene in elections around the world" or "Sabotage American government processes via Donald Trump and the Republican Party." He's way too smart for that.
He's a quietly evil man, a master manipulator, which makes it easier for many people to underestimate him. He was an unknown, anonymous bureaucrat to most of Russia when Yeltsin appointed him Prime Minister after a long list of failed Prime Ministers. But his experience in the KGB, and his maintaining of his KGB and allied foreign intelligence service contacts (e.g. the widely feared Stasi of East Germany, where Putin was stationed from the mid-80s right up until the collapse of the Soviet Union) allowed him to rapidly consolidate power and reconstitute the viciously repressive Russian intelligence and security services. This was and is his base of power, which he used to shake down various Russian oligarchs, murder critics, defectors, and dissidents, and spread various forms of dangerous mischief around the world ever since.
The high oil prices of the mid-2000s definitely helped in his domestic popularity too; don't underestimate THAT aspect of Putin's power...
empedocles
(15,751 posts)[America's #1 enemy].
BN1914
(39 posts)Notable examples include a certain major political party in the USA, and their Dear Leader in the Oval Office...