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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:13 PM Feb 2019

Spanish Warship Ordered Ships to Leave British Waters Near Gibraltar

https://gcaptain.com/spanish-warship-ordered-ships-to-leave-british-waters-near-gibraltar/

LONDON, Feb 18 (Reuters) – A Spanish warship tried to order commercial shipping to leave anchorages in British waters near Gibraltar but was challenged by the British navy and sailed away, Gibraltar said, the latest example of tension over the strategic port as Brexit approaches.

The Spanish ship tried to order ships to leave their anchorages on the eastern side of the Rock, but the ships stayed in position, Gibraltar’s authorities said. After being challenged by the British navy, the Spanish warship then sailed slowly along the coast with its weapons uncovered and manned.

Spanish authorities did not immediately comment on the issue.
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dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
1. This Brexit BS is going to cause so much upheaval
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:20 PM
Feb 2019

for the UK and surrounding countries. John Oliver did an excellent piece on this last night.

EX500rider

(10,810 posts)
2. Spain trying for a Falklands Island 2.0?
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:21 PM
Feb 2019

UK 149,710 active 81,850 reserves budget $50 billion -nuclear power

Spain 131,911 active 4,770 reserves budget $11 billion

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
5. Did you ever hear.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:52 PM
Feb 2019

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it is the fight in the dog. History is full of cases where larger powers were defeated by smaller ones.

But, I really hope that the incident was just a pissing contest related to Brexit and does not get repeated.

BTW, Spain is staying in the EU, as such a fight by it against Great Britain would bring the EU in on Spain's side. Like the OP alluded to, potential WWI stuff.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
8. How about if Germany, France and Italy backs Spain?
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:59 PM
Feb 2019

We are looking at that very scenario.


Hopefully the situation was just an over zealous Spanish captain and that he gets his butt kicked by superiors and get demoted.

EX500rider

(10,810 posts)
10. Yeah i heard that...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:21 PM
Feb 2019

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.....and I'd put the Royal Marines & the Royal Navy above anything the Spanish can scrape up.....not to mention the much deeper pool of combat experience and recent military tradition in the UK military. When was Spain last in a real war exactly?

And the EU is not helping if Spain started it. And the UK is in NATO also.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
4. Yeah...and England has a history of not letting it's Navy be fucked with...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:30 PM
Feb 2019

Brexit or no, if those are legit British waters, Spain was probably wise to not test them.

EX500rider

(10,810 posts)
14. Spain wouldn't have prevailed anyway.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:08 AM
Feb 2019

The original invasion army waiting for transport in Flanders was 30,000, but reduced to 16,000 by disease/desertions...and they planned to cross the Channel in un-armed barges, the Dutch shallow draft navy was out of reach of the deep draft Spanish fleet and would have destroyed the barges before they got anywhere near England.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
16. It's more of a general commentary over the fraying of global political and trade alliances.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:29 AM
Feb 2019

I hope it doesn't get worse before it gets better...

Xolodno

(6,384 posts)
17. Most don't realize there are still territorial disputes in Europe.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:48 AM
Feb 2019

1. Gibraltar - Spain vs. UK.
2. Istanbul/Constantinople - Greece vs. Turkey
4. Cyprus - Greece vs. Tureky
5. Crimea - Russia vs. Ukraine
6. Mont Blanc - Italy vs. France
7. Northern Ireland - Ireland vs. UK.
8. Dollart Bay - Germany vs. Netherlands
etc.

And of course, lets not forget the separatist movements in Spain and UK.

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