Did Sanders say he's going to run for the democratic nomination as a democrat? thx in advance

[uponit7771]

Did Sanders say he's going to run for the democratic nomination as a democrat?


That's pretty important to me including releasing ... FULL ... tax returns for as long back as others have


Thx in advance

[stonecutter357]

1. K&R FULL ... tax returns !

[Dennis Donovan]

2. Yes.

[honest.abe]

3. Can you the post the exact quote from Bernie that says that?

Thanks!

[Dennis Donovan]

4. I'm busy - maybe google it?

[honest.abe]

7. Just did.. cant find it.

Did you watch the video? Did he say it there or was it in the email?

[lapucelle]

56. I took 10 minutes of my life watching the full statement so busy people wouldn't have to.

BS never says that he is, or is running as a Democrat. All he says is that he is running for the Democratic nomination. His announcement seems carefully scripted.

Brothers and sisters, do not waste time googling for things that do not exist. If you do spend 10 minutes of your life watching the announcement, I recommend muting and turning on the CCs so you can read the carefully parsed wording.

[honest.abe]

58. Thank you. As I suspected.

I think he is in violation of the rules.

[SumDave1933]

63. This is pure semantics. If he's running for the Democratic nomination, he's running as a Democrat.

[lapucelle]

65. Take it up with BS. I'm not the one carefully parsing my words. N/T

[SumDave1933]

66. Who's BS? I'm talking about Bernie Sanders, not "BS."

[lapucelle]

68. I can see that you are new here. Let me help. Sometimes posters use a politician's initials.

Other times they don't. I'm sure you can figure out when they are and when they aren't.

Wasn't that easy?

[honest.abe]

5. He also needs to pledge to remain a Democrat should he somehow miraculously win.

I doubt he will every say that.

[MrsCoffee]

19. He pledged that last time and lied. Why would I believe him this time?

Weaver was on tv saying it repeatedly. Bernie was gonna be a Democrat for life....

Apparently they left out the ONLY IF HE WINS part. And hell I don’t even believe that at this point.

[honest.abe]

20. Yeah, that is the problem.

Maybe get it in writing and notarized and sealed with blood.

[treestar]

6. Does the Democratic Party have to allow him?

I hope the DNC is to his liking this time!

[still_one]

8. Senator Kamila Harris was in NH and made the following very clear:

‘‘The people of New Hampshire will tell me what’s required to compete in New Hampshire, but I will tell you I am not a democratic socialist,’’ Harris said.

Read more: www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/02/18/not-democratic-socialist-kamala-harris-tells-new-hampshire-voters/cBw02rxs5xPXzNuoxjDvHJ/story.html

What Senator Harris is saying there is SHE IS A DEMOCRAT, who is proud to be affiliated with the Democratic party, and work for change as a DEMOCRAT within the DEMOCRATIC PARTY

[honest.abe]

9. "I will tell you I am not a democratic socialist"

Nice!!

[still_one]

10. SHE IS A DEMOCRAT, and belongs to the Democratic party. I agree abe

[honest.abe]

11. That was a nice shot across the bow of the Bernie ship.

She is one smart lady and several steps ahead of the rest of the crowd.

[still_one]

12. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[dogman]

13. Democratic Socialist is not a Party.

Many Democratic Socialists are Democrats.

[honest.abe]

14. Then why cant they call themselves "Social Democrats"?

That would be a more inclusive way to be a Democrat but still retain a socialistic agenda.

Seems Bernie and his Democratic Socialist gang don't want to be associated with Democrats at all unless it benefits their mission.

[dogman]

15. Their mission is to benefit the people.

So I'm happy with what they are.

[honest.abe]

18. If that's the case they should ask Bernie not to run..

and support the Democratic party and the eventual nominee.

[dogman]

21. That makes no sense.

He would be the eventual Democratic nominee.

[honest.abe]

23. Trust me he won't.

All he will accomplish will be creating turmoil in the party and ginning up anger among his followers who in the end will be so pissed off they will either not vote, vote write-in or hold their nose and vote Dem but wont work for the nominee or donate. Much like 2016.

We cannot afford this again.

[dogman]

27. Then get behind him.

We can win this.

[honest.abe]

28. LOL

[CrossingTheRubicon]

22. Not really. There is a big difference between Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists.

Democratic Socialists believe in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state.

Democratic Socialists see capitalism as an irredeemably evil that can not be reformed and need to be replaced with socialism.

Social Democrats, on the other hand, embrace advanced capitalism as the best generator of wealth and protector of human economic freedom while embracing a generous social safety net and liberal democracy.

That's a huge difference.

None of the first-world Social Democracies embrace Democratic Socialism. For very good reasons.

[honest.abe]

24. Do you think Bernie and his gang believe in the abolition of capitalism??

If so that would be a problem.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

26. He says that he is a Democratic Socialist.

I'd advise reading the very well done Wikipedia articles on both Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy to see how widely these ideologies diverge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

When someone tells me they are a Democratic Socialist I tend to take them at their word.

[dogman]

29. Bernie's take.

Here's how Senator Bernie Sanders, a self-declared democratic socialist, defined it in a 2006 interview: "I think [democratic socialism] means the government has got to play a very important role in making sure that as a right of citizenship all of our people have healthcare; that as a right, all of our kids, regardless of income, have quality childcare, are able to go to college without going deeply into debt; that it means we do not allow large corporations and moneyed interests to destroy our environment; that we create a government in which it is not dominated by big money interest."

"I mean, to me, it means democracy, frankly," Senator Sanders added. "That's all it means.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/whats-difference-between-socialism-democratic-socialism-new-york-democratic-primary-a8425416.html

[honest.abe]

31. What about the abolition of capitalism?

According to the poster above that is what "Democratic Socialists" want.

[dogman]

32. You'll have to ask that person.

This is what Bernie has said.

[honest.abe]

33. So according to what Bernie has said I still have the question..

Why not call himself a "Social Democrat"? That would appear to be more accurate and also a more inclusive way to be part of the Democratic party but still retain socialistic beliefs. It seems he simply cannot tolerate being too close to the Democratic party like its some sort of disease he might catch.

[dogman]

36. I believe that is a Vermont thing.

He associates with Democrats nationally.
https://www.democrats.senate.gov You can see this is a Democratic site and he is in the third picture on the home page and listed at the bottom as the Outreach Chair in the Leadership of the Senate Democrats.
https://www.democrats.senate.gov/about-senate-dems/our-caucus

Or are the Democrats just using him? I think Democrats want to win, they are not as hung up as many here seem to be.

[honest.abe]

40. He associates with Democrats when its to his benefit.

Otherwise he jumps back to being an Independent. I dont trust him.

[dogman]

43. It appears from their webpage they do the same.

[honest.abe]

46. Thankfully he at least caucuses with the Dems.

It would be stupid to reject his votes. Right?

[uponit7771]

61. +1, thats what its looking like

[Cuthbert Allgood]

57. Wow. The Red Scare started earlier than I thought.

It's like I'm back in my high school days in the 80s.

[still_one]

16. Her point was very clear, and it was directed at those who do NOT want to identify as part of the

Democratic party, except when it serves their purposes

[dogman]

37. https://www.democrats.senate.gov

Or when it serves their purposes?

[still_one]

44. So he is on a committee. He has made his party affiliation pretty clear in his own words

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211838005

Regardless, we are not going to view this the same way. but I think it would be naïve for anyone to think that this will not be brought up

[dogman]

48. A Democratic Senate committee.

It appears he is not fond of the Vermont Democratic Party, he seems to be able to work with the National Party pretty well.

[still_one]

53. ok, but this is going to be an issue, and he made it an issue after the Democratic nomination, by

immediately changing his party identification back to independent

The problem is he will need to defend it or ignore it, and it will be determined with the passage of time how that resonates

[lapucelle]

59. Democratic Socialists of America a PAC. N/T

[disillusioned73]

17. Here ya go..

[link:

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]https://act.berniesanders.com/signup/social-launch?source=tw190219-description

[honest.abe]

35. Did he say he is now a Democrat?

Im not watching that video... no time for BS.

[tonedevil]

51. Then you may never know. /nt

[honest.abe]

52. I dont know maybe someday someone will come clean and spit it out.

I will never watch that video.

[tonedevil]

54. You don't care enough...

to go to the source why should anyone do it for you? I certainly don't think you have the capacity to change your mind on this anyway.

[honest.abe]

55. I have had enough of Bernie and his BS.

I dont trust him and I think he should not be allowed to participate in the debates if he doesnt follow the new rules.

[TomCADem]

25. Politico - Sanders' campaign says he'll stay a Democrat after election (April 2016)

Yes, Bernie has said that he would stay a Democrat after the election as far back as April 2016.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/bernie-sanders-democrat-independent-222228

Bernie Sanders will remain a member of the Democratic Party after his primary election against Hillary Clinton, his campaign manager said Wednesday.

The independent Vermont senator’s congressional website currently notes that Sanders is the “the longest serving independent member of Congress in American history,” though he caucuses with Democrats.

“If Sen. Sanders is not the nominee, will he stay in the Democratic Party forever now,” Bloomberg Politics’ Mark Halperin asked.

“Well, he is a Democrat. He’s said he’s a Democrat, and he’s gonna be [supporting] the Democratic nominee, whoever that is,” Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver told Bloomberg Politics’ “With All Due Respect.” “But he’s a member of the Democratic Party now for life?” Halperin pressed. “Yes, he is,” Weaver said. “Yes, he is.”

[Peacetrain]

30. found this

"At the time a presidential candidate announces their candidacy publicly, they must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat. Each candidate pursuing the Democratic nomination shall affirm, in writing, to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee that they: (a) are a member of the Democratic Party; (b) will accept the Democratic nomination; and (c) will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party.

[honest.abe]

34. Seems he has already violated all that. Right?

[dogman]

38. No

He is running as a Democrat.

[honest.abe]

39. Did he do all the following?

shall affirm, in writing, to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee that they:
- (a) are a member of the Democratic Party;
- (b) will accept the Democratic nomination; and
- (c) will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party.

[dogman]

41. It appears he will have to.

Ask the DNC. Everyone is writing about being a Democrat, how many have a DNC card? How do you prove you are a Democrat without it? I'm willing to bet few here have one.

[honest.abe]

42. He was supposed to have done all that at the time he announces.

If he didnt he is in violation of the rules.

[dogman]

45. You will have to take that up with the DNC.

I'm guessing it is being taken care of since he is announcing.

[honest.abe]

47. Well you dont know do you?

You claimed earlier he was not in violation of the rules. But now you admit you are "guessing".

Thanks.

[dogman]

49. Logic.

[honest.abe]

50. LOL!

[subana]

60. ANY (dem or rep) candidate who refuses to release their tax returns

should be viewed as highly suspicious!!!! At the very least, they are hiding something & probably hiding a pretty important something! If someone wants to run for president but isn't willing to be transparent by allowing voters to see their tax records, they don't deserve to be president!!

[Gothmog]

62. Here is the oath that sanders must sign

Here is the oath that sanders must sign if he wants to run https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/2019-01-03-2020_Call_for_the_Convention_12.21.18_w-attachments.pdf

Presidential Candidate Written Affirmation

Pursuant to Article IV of the Call for the 2020 Democratic National Convention, I hereby affirm that, upon publicly announcing my candidacy for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States in the 2020 election, I am a member of the Democratic Party. I will run as a Democrat, accept the nomination of my Party, and I will serve as a Democrat if elected. I understand that signing this form does not supplant any legal or Party requirement by any state or territory to qualify for ballot placement in that jurisdiction.

Further, I acknowledge that in submitting this form to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, I am subject to the provisions of Rule 13.K of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2020 Democratic National Convention and Article VI of the Call for the 2020 Democratic National Convention that authorize the National Chairperson to determine whether a presidential candidate has established substantial support for their nomination as the Democratic candidate for the Office of the President of the United States, is a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishments, public writings and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrate that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States, and will participate in the Convention in good faith.
___________________

NOTARY AFFIDAVIT
STATE OF ______________
COUNTY OF _______________
I, ____________________________________, a Notary Public, do hereby certify that on this ____day of ___________________, 20____, personally appeared before me ______________________________, known to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to the foregoing instrument, and swore and acknowledged to me that they executed the same for the purpose and in the capacity therein expressed, and that the statements contained therein are true and correct. _______________________________________________ Notary Public, State of __________________ Name, Typed or Printed: __________________________________________ My Commission Expires: ___________________________

[MyNameGoesHere]

64. I believe he has conveniently switched to run

as a democrat(*)










* Until it's convenient to be an independent.

[uponit7771]

67. I'm going to keep this kicked seeing it looks like there's no official paperwork of Sanders stating

... he's a democrat.