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brooklynite

(94,377 posts)
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:03 AM Feb 2019

My opinion of Bernie Sanders today is the same as it was in 2016

I have no objection to any of his proposed policies.

I don't think for a minute that he can sell them to a General Election electorate, or actually get them passed as President.

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My opinion of Bernie Sanders today is the same as it was in 2016 (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2019 OP
As such, he can't help us, but he can certainly hurt us. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #1
correct handmade34 Feb 2019 #2
Does he believe his own policies or just using them for attention katmondoo Feb 2019 #3
I think this is the key. People are catching on that realism R B Garr Feb 2019 #9
I liked his message but NOT the messenger... samnsara Feb 2019 #4
+100000 Pachamama Feb 2019 #5
He always polled higher than HRC against Trump. secondwind Feb 2019 #6
I absolutely thought he was most viable in 2016. David__77 Feb 2019 #8
Those numbers were hot air radius777 Feb 2019 #12
THIS. VOX Feb 2019 #14
Exactly LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #17
Bernie's a kind of William Jennings Bryan. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #7
Someone who doesnt know his time has passed Fullduplexxx Feb 2019 #10
Thats pretty much how I felt in 2016 but.. honest.abe Feb 2019 #11
Sanders helped move the ball regarding some policies entering the mainstream of political debate Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #13
"Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall" Obama 2013 Inauguration crazytown Feb 2019 #15
Thank you for posting that video Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #16
It's a good message delivered by a shitty messenger. Codeine Feb 2019 #18
Bernie the man isn't that bad Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #19
Some of his policies are great, if limited, in my view Starry Messenger Feb 2019 #20

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
9. I think this is the key. People are catching on that realism
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:29 AM
Feb 2019

doesn’t have to be part of the dialogue, so why should he have all the fun.

samnsara

(17,606 posts)
4. I liked his message but NOT the messenger...
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:13 AM
Feb 2019

...but many other have that message now.


Spell checks going nuts.

David__77

(23,334 posts)
8. I absolutely thought he was most viable in 2016.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:25 AM
Feb 2019

My thought right now is that that may be true of Biden.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
12. Those numbers were hot air
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:48 AM
Feb 2019

as he was never hit with any type of serious oppo or negative ads.

HRC was battle tested.. she had taken 25 years of beatings from both the right and left, and without last minute Comey's stunt she wins the election easily, even with the Russian meddling.

HRC also won several demographics Sanders never would've done well with, such as moderates, suburban women, PoC and others... Sanders would've done better w/youth and white men but I don't think it would've been enough to offset his glaring deficit with the typical Clinton/Obama voting blocs.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
14. THIS.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:59 AM
Feb 2019

Bernie was given a pass by Republicans in 2016, with an eye toward fomenting disharmony within the Democratic Party. The Russian interference really focused on this divisive tactic as well.

If the Republicans had actually released their hounds on Bernie in full fury, his campaign would have had the aerodynamics of a grand piano.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
7. Bernie's a kind of William Jennings Bryan.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:33 AM
Feb 2019

Influential, popular, and disruptive, but not the most thoughtful or capable candidate. I think he will probably do well in the primary, but probably not as well as he did previously.

That being said, I no longer trust people who claim to know what candidates can or cannot win general elections.

honest.abe

(8,617 posts)
11. Thats pretty much how I felt in 2016 but..
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:46 AM
Feb 2019

considering what happened then I fear Bernie will again be a divisive and destructive force in the Dem primary. I wish he wasn't running.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
13. Sanders helped move the ball regarding some policies entering the mainstream of political debate
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:54 AM
Feb 2019

Ever since I underestimated how quickly LGBTQ rights and "Gay Marriages" could win majority support in this nation I am hesitant to argue that public support for things like the living wage, free public college education , important elements of the "Green New Deal" and some version of Medicare for All might shift in our favor much quicker than previously thought.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
16. Thank you for posting that video
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:51 PM
Feb 2019

First time I saw it, and though I knew about the event I knew virtually nothing about the memorial. Cross currents of social change, both good and bad, seem to keep accelerating.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
18. It's a good message delivered by a shitty messenger.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:30 PM
Feb 2019

Compound this with the antics of his base and his candidacy becomes utterly untenable.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
19. Bernie the man isn't that bad
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:33 PM
Feb 2019

Despite the fact that he hates Obama and Hillary a million times more than Trump...

But mark my words: When he loses (again), his cultists are going to set the world on fire just to spite us (again)...

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
20. Some of his policies are great, if limited, in my view
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:34 PM
Feb 2019

He just can't organize himself out of a paper bag and he doesn't have a broad coalition, by almost design on his part.

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