Joe Biden Might Well Be the Anti-Trump.

[MineralMan]

That's his strength for 2020. Perhaps he's not fire-brandish enough for some, but that might work in his favor on a national basis. But, what he is, for sure, is NotTrump. Visibly and obviously.

If he decides to jump into the pile of primary candidates, he won't have to fight his way to the top of the heap. He'll start as one of the front-runners.

Will he run? I have no idea. I don't know him well enough to predict.

But I'm thinking maybe a Biden/Klobuchar ticket. I think that would be a sure winner next November. There are other options on the VP side, but Amy's a solid possibility, if only for her Midwestern appeal.

[lame54]

1. Biden's a gaffe machine

[MineralMan]

2. Oh, not really.

He can make a gaffe now and then, for sure, but folks like him just fine.

We'll see. I don't know if he'll run, but he'd be a contender if he does.

[fleur-de-lisa]

3. I worry about throngs of women coming forward to say Biden groped them.

He's a very touchy-feely guy. I doubt he ever did anything inappropriate, but that won't stop republican operatives from paying people to say that Biden did. We've already seen what they did to Al Franken.

[lame54]

5. And then there is that

[loyalsister]

28. That brings us to Anita Hill

It is a literal fact that Biden was on the committee that suppressed awareness of sexual harassment and minimized the sexual assault- for decades.
I'm not interested in hearing "things were different then" or "I didn't mean it that way" defense again, especially from someone I like.

[R B Garr]

29. Bernie has a current, active series of campaign abuse

allegations in the #MeToo movement. Not some 25 years ago complaints of how he mishandled a situation of how to proceed with sexual harassment claims against an AA man. Different standards in time, but Bernie’s is real and current.

[loyalsister]

32. And

I have never been a fan. Neither should set the course fore the future and both have the natural liability of ordinary physical and mental decline that I take into account when supporting primary candidates. We had a ridiculous campaign field last time and I'm glad to see candidates who have spent most of their lives in an environment that values diversity and cultural competency, and have a higher chance of seeing 2030 and beyond.

[R B Garr]

30. I like that Biden visibly served a popular POTUS for 8 years

and that never happened. I trust Obama’s judgment.

[bdamomma]

4. That's a rude comment

the gaffe machine is tRump.

[lame54]

7. Trump's the lie factory

[demmiblue]

10. Anita Hill will also be brought up.

Biden is one of the most affable (and qualified) people out there, but I'm not sure he would be able to get the women's vote at this point in time.

[R B Garr]

18. He came up with one of the best lines ever in politics:

“A noun, a verb, and 9/11”

Brilliant. But Trump has changed all that about gaffes considering he’s a malicious lying machine.

So much has changed, but the demagogues will probably see a demand for more measurable and realistic talk. Gun violence, expanding on Obama’s ACA...

[lame54]

19. No no no - Don't make that mistake...

What applies to Trump applies to nobody else

Each dem candidate is one screw up away from being dropped

It would be a huge mistake to see Trump's behavior as a safety net

[R B Garr]

21. I definitely see what you are saying, and Democrats are always

held to a higher standard (look how they are skewering Warren now, same as with Hillary), but I do think that Republicans have been Trump’s victims, too. He has declared war on the FBI, all these things have changed the environment.

[helpisontheway]

50. Biden's gaffes seem like nothing compared to Trump's ignorance and gaffes nt

[delisen]

59. Better than Trump is not much to say of someone.

[Timewas]

56. Actually

That is probably a plus, makes him more of a "normal" down to earth person...

[m-lekktor]

61. Yep. He has no filter. I'll pass. Bernie 2020! nt

[CrossingTheRubicon]

6. Biden will win all the Northern Industrial states thet we narrowly lost in 2016.

And will likely take Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, and Florida while putting many other red states in play.

We need to pick the great liberal Democrat who best defeats Trump.

No one compares to Joe Biden in being our party's best match against Trump in an Electoral College match up.

[flamingdem]

8. +1 There are many upsides to Joe

and a few downsides but.. I hope he throws his hat in the ring.

I'd like to see Biden/Beto

[bdamomma]

15. It could be anyone

there are so many good choices. Biden/Booker?????

Biden can be corny at times, but he knows domestic and foreign and we will be needing expertise in that we have lost so many of our allies, because of the orange menace.

Plus don't we have a traitor in the WH right now who would rather listen to Putin than his own Intelligence agencies.

[lucca18]

33. I also would like a Biden/Beto ticket.

I initially didn’t want Biden in the race, but he seems so appealing to me now.

He certainly is the opposite of Trump!

[dsp3000]

11. I get that DU likes women and people of color running for president

But the rest of america don't think like us. We need to get past 2020, and the reasons you stated are exactly why we need Biden as the candidate. A democrat, any democrat needs to win in 2020.

[demmiblue]

13. Umm, where have you been?

[dsp3000]

23. We went back in time.

He's not the prez anymore

[demmiblue]

25. No WE didn't.

Just stop.

[NewJeffCT]

12. how about

Biden/Abrams?

Didn't he travel to Georgia to meet with her a week or two ago?

[lark]

9. I am so hoping Joe decides to run.

You are correct that he will immediately rise to #1. Would he win - I think so, but would at least like him in the race. He is everything drumpf is not and pretends to be. The contrast couldn't be more stark. A good moral person who cares about us and who fights for the middle class vs. spoiled mean vindictive traitorous criminal drumpf. I'd love to see Joe and Amy or maybe even better Joe and Kamala for the win for Dems and America. Think it would be a stronger ticket with Kamala, but this is all head tripping at this point in time. I'd love to see Joe as president in 2020 and then he'd retire just before the next election cycle in 2024 so Kamala would have a few months in charge and get to run as an incumbent. That's my current fantasy and I'm sticking with it until/unless facts on the ground change.

[delisen]

26. Biden represents bank and credit card companies. He is responsible

for so many drowning in debt and and the usorious interest rates charged by credit card companies.

He has major responsibility for the impoverishment of the middle class.

If he has been fighting for the middle class he has not been successful

However if you have examples I am definitely willing to learn.

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. Right! Bankruptcy protection and his vote on that.

[BluegrassDem]

49. He represented Delaware! I don't fault him for helping his states' main industry

Just like Dingell fought tooth and nail for the auto industry in Michigan. We need to quit faulting Dems for supporting the industries in their districts. However, as president, I know Biden will look out for the whole country, not just Delaware.

[delisen]

58. He could have made a strong stand as vp and influenced others. He didn't

One can support the industries in a state without supporting predatory practices.


His actions were not those of a political strong for the middle class. He occasionally talks a good game but there is no substance there.

Biden's as a leader in fighting for the middle class is a myth. He had a national role and national platform and he did not use for the middle class.

[TJKay]

14. Of all the actual and possible candidates,

I think he’s the one I have the most confidence in being able to beat trumpy in the general. And that’s my #1 requirement.

Considering who he’d be running against, gaffes are negated or, at least, significant mitigated. The handsiness makes me cringe sometimes, but it’s nothing that can be addressed and over come. With his long career and high profile, as far as I know, he’s not be accused of anything inappropriate.

He seems like a fighter but a genuinely nice guy. And on paper, probably the most qualified.

[bdamomma]

16. welcome to DU

we need QUALIFIED, that is why we are in crisis right now.

[bigtree]

17. it's a moderate ticket

...facing a Democratic electorate which is decidedly more progressive.

Not to mention at least three of his rivals campaigning on progressive agendas.

Your ticket would be reduced to telling the others (and Democratic voters) what they can't have (of the progressive menu) to stand out from the crowd. Seriously, a moderate candidacy in this race is weak tea.

[R B Garr]

20. So wrong. Bernie did not win very progressive California,

and his groups attacks on Feinstein lost.

“Progressive agenda” — Vermont doesn’t have his progressive agenda, so all he’s shown is that realism isn’t a necessary component of dialogue, so why should he have all the fun.

[bigtree]

22. this isn't 2016

...and Biden won't get past Kamala in California or South Carolina.

He'll get bested by Warren in NH. Amy would beat him in Iowa.

[R B Garr]

37. Elections have more actual data than biased opinions.

And the attacks on Feinstein were from just a few months ago — her 2018 re-election bid.

Biden is very popular, number 1 in all the polls. Either one you pick to win California —Biden or Kamala — it won’t be Bernie. He lost very progressive California.

[R B Garr]

40. So is Kamala. A California favorite. Lots of great endorsements

so far — from Democrats.

Bernie did not win very progressive California.

[R B Garr]

45. Your 30th post and already anti-Kamala just like we've

seen before, but you are wrong. Bernie will have to account for his gun voting record.

[R B Garr]

51. "new people"

lol, these attacks on Democrats are very familiar (your words about Kamala)

[MineralMan]

55. And so soon gone, too...

[R B Garr]

57. Yes, joined Feb 3rd and went to town after Bernie's

announcement. All familiar sounding, sigh.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

24. Nah. The majority of Democrats are liberals and not Democratic Socialists.

The Democratic majority will--once again--determine our nominee. That's strength.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. If Biden were to somehow win the nomination he would surely take someone from the progressive wing

That would most likely be Kamala Harris. As of now I'm supporting her but Biden-Harris makes a lot of sense.

[lark]

34. I think that would so be a winning ticket!

Providing the vote hacking and voter suppression isn't more prevalent this time.

[Doremus]

31. More luggage than Greyhound.

[alarimer]

35. No, just no.

I think it needs to be a woman, much as I like Sanders’ positions on things. I think Warren can take Trump to the woodshed. Klobuchar, Gillibrand and Brown are dull. Castro, I really don’t know.

It definitely should not be two white men. No, no, no, not after the success women and people of color had in the midterms. Two white men on the ticket would be be a slap in the face to all of diverse people that make up the Democratic. In fact, I think white men need to probably sit this one out. So no to Biden, Beto (too inexperienced anyway), Sanders or Brown, Buttegieg (also too young and inexperienced).

[MineralMan]

41. A person of very few words, I see...

[MineralMan]

46. OK, then, I'll just guess.

[nolabear]

53. Not with legit reasons and not just slams.

I like Joe. I think he can win. But if you have actual compelling reasons he can’t or shouldn’t, have at.

[Gothmog]

48. I really like Biden

[MineralMan]

52. Many people do. A few don't.

Elections are won by majorities. Funny how that works, huh?

[Lifelong Protester]

54. I like Joe.

[ucrdem]

60. I am certain he'll get in. I'm pretty sure he'll do very well.

Michigan, Wisconsin? Pennsylvania? He'll cakewalk over every one of them. Can't say whether he'll take the prize though. Things are pretty lousy on the election integrity front. In fact I'm pretty sure he won't unless he's ready to go to the mat afterward like we've never seen him, or at least I haven't. Is he ready for that fight? Maybe. Can he win? Dunno.

[cwydro]

62. I agree.

Biden/Klobuchar works for me.

Early days yet, but I like it.