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mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:17 AM Feb 2019

I read the Cohen statement and I have 2 concerns.

One is that the checks don't have any memos about what they're for, and that he doesn't remember the exact date he says he saw Junior talk to Trump about the meeting...maybe three..he also said he just heard the word "meeting" without any context.

Don't you think the R's will seize on these points?

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I read the Cohen statement and I have 2 concerns. (Original Post) mindfulNJ Feb 2019 OP
No, but if it was for anything legal there would be underlying documentation investigators would mobeau69 Feb 2019 #1
I'm hoping mindfulNJ Feb 2019 #3
of course they will.. im just hoping they are missing pieces of a puzzle.... samnsara Feb 2019 #2
Yeah, like Cohen's home equity loan for the same total as the checks. mobeau69 Feb 2019 #6
Yep. mindfulNJ Feb 2019 #8
Of course. But why focus on this negative stuff? manor321 Feb 2019 #4
I'm trying not to be negative mindfulNJ Feb 2019 #7
Absolutely, but let's keep in mind that only in poorly written movies do such checks say Atticus Feb 2019 #5
+1 honest.abe Feb 2019 #9
Cohen doesn't have to prove anything at this hearing. watoos Feb 2019 #10
Cohen could get a lot more prison time NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #14
Cohen was no longer providing any legal services but Trump Org listed payments that way wishstar Feb 2019 #11
Thank you mindfulNJ Feb 2019 #15
There wouldn't be a note on the check stub saying DUgosh Feb 2019 #12
Republicans will grasp at any tiny straw marylandblue Feb 2019 #13
+1, Red Don admitted to working with the Russians on Trump Tower Moscow at the same time... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #21
GOP will just say this a disgruntled ex-employee and leave at that. THE ONLY way to overcome beachbum bob Feb 2019 #16
You're right. mindfulNJ Feb 2019 #18
cohen was/is a paranoid and why he secretly recorded meetings with clients, including trump,we know beachbum bob Feb 2019 #20
Of course the Republicans will seize on any disputable point gratuitous Feb 2019 #17
Cohen should ask them to follow up with Elliot Broidy to see what his check memo line states. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #19
Seriously because the memos don't say "hooker payoff"? That almost never ever happens. marble falls Feb 2019 #22
I didn't think they would. mindfulNJ Feb 2019 #23
And that's what forensic accountants are all about. That's how they discovere all that ... marble falls Feb 2019 #24

mobeau69

(11,139 posts)
1. No, but if it was for anything legal there would be underlying documentation investigators would
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:22 AM
Feb 2019

want to look at.

samnsara

(17,615 posts)
2. of course they will.. im just hoping they are missing pieces of a puzzle....
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:22 AM
Feb 2019

..that makes sense when all together..

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
4. Of course. But why focus on this negative stuff?
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:26 AM
Feb 2019

This will be blockbuster testimony, especially for people who don't follow the news closely. IMHO, it will be devastating because of the affect on those viewers.

mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
7. I'm trying not to be negative
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:30 AM
Feb 2019

but this a*hole has a million lives and has survived countless scandals that would have sunk every other president in history.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
5. Absolutely, but let's keep in mind that only in poorly written movies do such checks say
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:28 AM
Feb 2019

"hush money to porn star I had sex with and lied about".

Most prosecutions are a process of stacking brick on top of brick on top of brick until guilt is the hopefully inescapable conclusion. The check is a brick.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
10. Cohen doesn't have to prove anything at this hearing.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:35 AM
Feb 2019

He just has to come off as being believable.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
11. Cohen was no longer providing any legal services but Trump Org listed payments that way
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:38 AM
Feb 2019

Those checks are just part of already established false claims by Trump who denied any knowledge of any payments and alleged that Cohen was no longer his attorney by then. The payments were established by SDNY investigators to have been claimed by the Trump Org. as legal fees to Cohen, however the investigators also established that Cohen performed no legal services for Trump in 2017.

The fact that the payments amount to much more than the $130,000 paid to Stormy indicate that the payments were not just reimbursement but also included hush money to reward and keep Cohen quiet during the time he was continuing to lie to protect Trump, so I wonder if they will ask Cohen about that aspect of the 2017 payments.

DUgosh

(3,055 posts)
12. There wouldn't be a note on the check stub saying
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:40 AM
Feb 2019

Reimbursement for paying off escort - we have Spanky on tape saying he knew nothing about payments

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
21. +1, Red Don admitted to working with the Russians on Trump Tower Moscow at the same time...
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:58 AM
Feb 2019

... the Russians were attacking America's election systems and they'll still claim "no collusion"

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
16. GOP will just say this a disgruntled ex-employee and leave at that. THE ONLY way to overcome
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:47 AM
Feb 2019

that tact would be for Cohen to announce during the hearing: "Well, I have the audio recording of trump telling me to do x-y-z"

that would be the "John Dean Moment"

mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
18. You're right.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:53 AM
Feb 2019

I'm thinking Cohen hasn't played his full hand in this statement...he is testifying behind closed doors for double the amount of time he is testifying in public. Gives me hope.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
20. cohen was/is a paranoid and why he secretly recorded meetings with clients, including trump,we know
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:57 AM
Feb 2019

mueller/DOJ have a number of tapes, but do we know whether or not cohen may have held some back? It would behoove him to make a pronouncement in the public portion of the testimony. Would send GOP into a frenzy and create a trump meltdown we have never seen before.


The only way to get trump and his circle is for this kind of hard evidence to be seen and heard. Otherwise this will lead nowhere

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. Of course the Republicans will seize on any disputable point
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:51 AM
Feb 2019

They have proven that their fealty to Trump far outweighs any loyalty they might still have to the country. One thing to keep in mind: Cohen's vagueness or incompleteness on any particular point may also be an indicator that he's not overtestifying, saying things that he doesn't know for a fact to be true. Make it plain when he's recounting a fact from memory, and when he's making a conjecture based on those facts, and his testimony will be all right regardless of Republican fly-specking.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
19. Cohen should ask them to follow up with Elliot Broidy to see what his check memo line states.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 09:56 AM
Feb 2019

Remember, Broidy admitted Cohen helped him to pay off a Playboy Playmate.

In April, he resigned from his RNC position in the wake of a report that he had paid a former Playboy model $1.6 million in exchange for her silence about a sexual affair. Trump’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen — another RNC fundraiser — helped arrange the settlement, Broidy acknowledged.


Washington Post

mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
23. I didn't think they would.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:11 AM
Feb 2019

I'm just saying that the Republicans will use this as an excuse to put doubt in the public's mind about what the payments are for. They will seize on this immediately. They will grasp at any straw they see at this point instead of finally admitting that their beloved leader is a common crook and doing the right thing.

marble falls

(57,063 posts)
24. And that's what forensic accountants are all about. That's how they discovere all that ...
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 10:42 AM
Feb 2019

income mobsters don't pay income taxes on.

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