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Omar: Influential Americans 'Push For Allegiance To A Foreign Country' (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 OP
This is the way she sees the world. madaboutharry Feb 2019 #1
Yes. This is how she thinks and who she is. DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #3
And I'd love to hear leftynyc Mar 2019 #23
Oh boy Jake Stern Feb 2019 #2
She also said: guillaumeb Feb 2019 #4
Yes, she said that also, but if I read the article correctly, she is still implying politicians who still_one Feb 2019 #5
I have dual citizenship. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #7
Is someone accusing YOU of dual loyalties? This is about elected representatives being accused of still_one Feb 2019 #8
It's interesting that part wasn't included ck4829 Mar 2019 #17
I've thought that for a long time WhiteTara Feb 2019 #6
and that is the problem. People can hurl the same garbage at her. "allegiance to a foreign group". still_one Feb 2019 #9
I believe we need a balanced and nuanced conversation about WhiteTara Feb 2019 #11
Perfect. Accusing people of dual loyalties is not fine. You just stated the points perfectly still_one Mar 2019 #20
I'll file this story next to the one about AOC eating hamburgers. n/t jcmaine72 Feb 2019 #10
So it's trivial and insignificant DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #12
Please, don't put words in my mouth, okay? jcmaine72 Feb 2019 #13
Perhaps it would have helped if you'd said that in your post DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #14
+1 ck4829 Mar 2019 #15
People are going to reach China with all of this digging to find something horrible ck4829 Mar 2019 #16
This is not digging DavidDvorkin Mar 2019 #18
And, as demonstrated, some do NOT care when the bigotry is directed at Jews. Behind the Aegis Mar 2019 #19
I'm assuming that by "you" you didn't mean me DavidDvorkin Mar 2019 #22
Not in the least. Behind the Aegis Mar 2019 #24
Do you think accusing people of dual loyalties because you don't agree with them on the issues is ok still_one Mar 2019 #21

madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
1. This is the way she sees the world.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 08:52 PM
Feb 2019

This will not be the last time she makes a comment like this because this is what she thinks.

DavidDvorkin

(19,468 posts)
3. Yes. This is how she thinks and who she is.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 09:04 PM
Feb 2019

Perhaps her defenders will be along. Perhaps we'll be told sternly not to confuse criticism of Israel with antisemitism.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. She also said:
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 09:31 PM
Feb 2019
According to Jewish Insider, Omar said during a panel discussion at a Washington, D.C. bookstore that because she and fellow first-term Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib, who was also there, are Muslim, “a lot of our Jewish colleagues, a lot of our constituents, a lot of our allies, go to thinking that everything we say about Israel to be anti-Semitic because we are Muslim.”



And some in this country equate any opposition to some actions of the Israeli Government as being "proof" of being anti-semitic. And it is not.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
5. Yes, she said that also, but if I read the article correctly, she is still implying politicians who
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 09:49 PM
Feb 2019

support certain positions in regard to Israel, in this case, as having dual loyalties, and if my interpretation is correct, not only is that garbage, but ironically, using her logic, that same "dual loyalty" accusation can be directed toward her also.

Is she assuming Rubio tagged on that anti-BDS in the budget bill because he has dual loyalties? Isn't it possible that Rubio felt we shouldn't boycott our allies, which is why he added that in the bill.

If the representative is going to play the dual-loyalty card, she will rightfully get push back on that. However, if instead she took the position that it was a violation of the first amendment to require an organization not support the BDS, if they wanted to participate in government contracts, that would be a valid argument. Problem is, that is NOT what she is saying.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. I have dual citizenship.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:07 PM
Feb 2019

So I have no issue with that.

But my sense, my personal opinion, of her statement is that she is accusing some people of being biased in favor of Israel and biased against Palestine.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
8. Is someone accusing YOU of dual loyalties? This is about elected representatives being accused of
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:26 PM
Feb 2019

dual-loyalties, "allegiance to a foreign country". She wants to play that game, then she is going to get pushback, and she deserves it.

I would oppose anyone who accused her of dual-loyalties, but the analogy she is making applies to her.

How would it sound if I said she taking her orders from Louis Farrakhan, who told her NOT to apologize

In your sense "her statement is that she is accusing some people of being biased in favor of Israel and biased against Palestine."

Then why didn't she say that?

and my sense is because she meant it.

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
6. I've thought that for a long time
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 09:49 PM
Feb 2019

but it is dangerous to voice that opinion. But Neti baby was indicted today and that made me feel better.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
9. and that is the problem. People can hurl the same garbage at her. "allegiance to a foreign group".
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:38 PM
Feb 2019

How about we should have a more balanced approach? The argument for those that put the anti-BDS in the budget bill, how about the first amendment?

I can think of a half a dozen ways to express disagreement with someone, without accusing them of dual-loyalties

This appears to be new rendition, after her apology, Does she really want to open the door again on this?

If she believes that is how she will get things done, I think she is going to be in for a difficult time.

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
11. I believe we need a balanced and nuanced conversation about
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:42 PM
Feb 2019

the situation with Israel. I think the anti-BDS is anti first amendment and belongs no where in our budgetary process.

DavidDvorkin

(19,468 posts)
12. So it's trivial and insignificant
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:30 PM
Feb 2019

when a politician repeats a very old and injurious antisemitic slur?

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
13. Please, don't put words in my mouth, okay?
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:39 PM
Feb 2019

The point being that between these stories about Ilhan Omar and AOC, there seems to be a concerted effort being made to take them down a peg.

DavidDvorkin

(19,468 posts)
14. Perhaps it would have helped if you'd said that in your post
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:47 PM
Feb 2019

Instead of just an easily misinterpreted title.

The real problem here seems to be that antisemitic opinions keep slipping out of her mouth. If there is an effort to take her down a peg, she's giving the effort far too much help.

ck4829

(35,038 posts)
16. People are going to reach China with all of this digging to find something horrible
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 12:15 AM
Mar 2019

Let's take a look at the things they say about Ilhan Omar and compare that to what Ilhan Omar says and then let's discuss.

Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
19. And, as demonstrated, some do NOT care when the bigotry is directed at Jews.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 01:17 AM
Mar 2019

It has been that way for a long time with people always find excuses for their anti-Semitism, right down to taking plays from the RW handbook of victim inversion (i.e. they are the real victim, not the group maligned) and "it's OK when our side does it because they don't really mean it to be racist/sexist/anti-Semitic/homophobic/Islamophobic/etc..

You are a star member.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
21. Do you think accusing people of dual loyalties because you don't agree with them on the issues is ok
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 04:57 AM
Mar 2019
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