Here comes RICO

[watoos]

It sure looks like the SDNY is going full tilt RICO on the Trump Crime family. It looks to me like the SDNY is going to indict the Trump organization and then name Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator.

What a brilliant move. We are all worrying that you can't indict a sitting president but you can indict Trump.org.

Oh ye of little faith look for Trump to have that nervous breakdown I have been predicting.

[New Hampshire Man]

1. Link?

[pnwmom]

6. They're been talking about this on Nicole Wallace.

And yesterday the NY Times had an opinion piece about this, by Garret Graff.

[ffr]

10. Raw Story and embedded in other similar News stories that have connected the dots.

Hmm. Thank you, Rudy Giuliani!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211889854

[Stinky The Clown]

25. Link:

https://www.google.com

Try it. It works pretty good.

[crazytown]

30. NYT: How Giuliani Might Take Down Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/opinion/rudy-giuliani-trump.amp.html

[Hekate]

43. Watch Rachel Maddow as well as Nicolle Wallace

[RedSpartan]

2. This is what will take him down, I think.

He will not resign to protect his sons. But he would to try to protect Ivanka. If she is named, look for that leverage to be used on him.

[watoos]

4. I don't think that SDNY is looking for deals.

I think that they want to totally bring down the Trump organization. They want to send a message.

I think this news is the best news I have heard since Mueller was appointed.

I believe that Ivanka is the dirtiest of the kids.

[RedSpartan]

5. Bigger picture is getting him out of office and saving the country.

Mueller and the SDNY are together on that.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. +1 . . . nt

[tikka]

24. I agree about Kremlin Barbie

After seeing a clip of Traitor Jr at CPAC, neither he or his brother is smart enough to run any enterprise.

[cstanleytech]

47. "But he would to try to protect Ivanka." The only person he will protect is himself.

Everyone else he will throw under a bus in a heartbeat.

[RedSpartan]

57. He won't throw Ivanka under the bus.

He needs her to stay quiet about certain things in their past. I'll say no more than that.

[watoos]

3. Oh and NY insurance commissioners are investigating false insurance claims.

Could this be the 17 million dollars that Trump claimed from hurricane Wilma damage to Mar-el-Loco?

People there admitted that Wilma blew 5 or 6 tiles off the roof and blew sand in a pool. Give me 17 million and I will replace the whole roof and suck the sand out of the pool with a vacuum cleaner.

Another bad day for the Trump crime family, time to schedule another campaign rally.

[former9thward]

7. If that was the case why would the insurance company pay it?

[Mr.Bill]

14. Have you ever heard Michael Cohen threaten someone over the phone? n/t

[former9thward]

38. No, have you?

Large corporations don't respond to that. Stop watching so many movies.

[Mr.Bill]

40. Yes, I have. There is a recording of him

threatening a journalist. It's very scary. He stops just short of threatening physical harm. It's want he did for Trump. He spoke about it during his testimony last week.

[former9thward]

41. If you think a large corporation would pay 17 million because of Cohen on the phone....

We need not continue this. You are in a fantasy world.

[watoos]

15. It probably came from FEMA funds

or another federal agency.

Either that or Trump lied that he got 17 million dollars, which is a possibility.

[former9thward]

39. FEMA does not write blank checks.

And if he didn't get the money there is no case.

[bluecollar2]

46. Maybe the payout is offset

By the premiums he pays on other properties?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. Ghouliani pioneered RICO techniques a couple of decades ago. . . . nt

[watoos]

16. Yes, it was a way to get at the head of the snake.

[Firestorm49]

11. None too soon. The House of Cards may come down yet

[H2O Man]

12. Recommended.

I agree.

[empedocles]

13. 'unindicted co-conspirator' ?

[ffr]

17. Probably, yes. I believe Mueller already has Individual-1 as an unindicted co-conspirator.

I know. It's hard to keep up with all of the racketeering the GOP has been covering up thus far. There is just an absolute mountain of crimes still waiting to be prosecuted out there.

[watoos]

18. If a president can't be indicted,

his indictment can be sealed until he leaves office.

[empedocles]

29. DOJ 'opinion', untested

State AGs?

[onenote]

48. No state AG will indict a sitting president.Nor should we want that.

Indicting a sitting president simply buys the state AG a costly, drawn out court battle with an uncertain outcome. Better to wait until the president leaves office (and if there is a statute of limitations issue, argue that the SoL is tolled during the president's term).

There are a lot of very red states out there. Do you really think it would be a good idea for state AGs to be able to indict a sitting president?

[empedocles]

51. Your point is well taken of course; but still there is the 'shoot someone on 5th Avenue' problem.

In trump's case, or cases , there may well be serious risks to the nation's fundamental security.

[onenote]

52. Impeach. Convict. And then indict

[Poiuyt]

32. SDNY could be waiting for him with handcuffs for when he does leave office

Though he could probably be indicted while still in office. Someone should revisit that opinion.

[former9thward]

42. False,

No federal judge would allow that.

[onenote]

19. Care to venture a guess as to when the SDNY would hand down these indictments?

What does "full tilt" translate into in terms of days, weeks, months....

[Boxerfan]

20. Rico------

Suaveh!

[lindysalsagal]

21. At this point I'd be happy to see him disappear on a private jet to south america.....

[erronis]

22. With a detour over the Atlantic - landing 350# lighter....

[empedocles]

31. If he just 'disappears' too much status quo remains intact, ala Watergate

[Honeycombe8]

23. Wishin' and Hopin'. Plannin' and Dreamin'. Yeah, just do it!

[NBachers]

26. .RICO republicans

[vlyons]

27. and seize ALL the assets of the Trump.org

Say good-bye Mar-a-lago.

[Duppers]

28. Yay!!! I want him imprisoned

Not just out of office but imprisoned. The pos has been breaking laws for too long now.

Lock them all away.


"You have to think of the Trump phenomenon as a religious cult surrounding an organized crime family."
- House Judiciary Democrat Jamie Raskin (D-MD), NYTimes, 03/03/19

[Grasswire2]

33. They must be rendered penniless and powerless.

Otherwise, revenge being their M.O., they will plot to rise again.

Penniless, powerless, and reminded of the Rosenbergs if they complain.

[Duppers]

36. Yes! This ☝

[EndGOPPropaganda]

35. Probably not RICO. Conspiracy

https://www.popehat.com/2016/06/14/lawsplainer-its-not-rico-dammit/

[Dan]

37. Too bad this doesn't take place in Texas...

Because once Trump.org is found guilty, I’m sure that they would execute the entity.

[burrowowl]

44. Yes RICO!

Round them all up!

[garybeck]

45. Correct me if I'm wrong but,

Isn't sdny ultimately controlled by the attorney general?

[smirkymonkey]

49. No, the SDNY is still a federal court.

[garybeck]

58. that's my point

if it is a federal court, then doesn't Barr have the ultimate decision on what to do?

[smirkymonkey]

60. I thought you meant the NY attorney general.

But I am pretty sure that even though it is a federal court, it still operates fairly independently of federal influence. "Unlike Mueller, the southern district is not constrained in what it might investigate by a narrow authorization. And unlike Mueller, the southern district does not report, on most matters, directly to the attorney general, who is appointed by the president and who might act at the president’s bidding, though norms of justice department independence proscribe that."

[onenote]

50. You are correct

[garybeck]

59. doesn't that mean that Barr has the ultimate decision on what SDNY does?

why do people think this will go anywhere, when Barr appears to be another Trump enabler/protector?

[samnsara]

53. i never thought Mueller would take donnie down..not like the RICO stuff will!

..i wish i had a new dog i would name him RICO!

[Heartstrings]

54. I agree....

I think Mueller will cement how vast this families ties are, but ultimately SDNY will take them down....

[ProudMNDemocrat]

55. And if Trump demands Barr shut down the SDNY, THAT is OBSTRUCTION of Justice .....

In plain sight big time.

RICO charges are nothing to laugh at. That signifies willful and knowing CRIMINAL activity taking place. Tax evasion, Bank Fraud, Money laundering. The Trump kids and all involved with running the Trump Organization are willing conspirators in CRIME.

Follow the money is a wise strategy. Donald Trump is still the head of the Trump Org and everything with his name on it.

[Mr Tibbs]

56. Trump can be indicted

Non binding 1972 legal memo be damned

[MarianJack]

61. I'm almost 64, and...

...I remember Tricky Dickie being named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Watergate scandal just weeks before he resigned.

Of course, he was replaced by Gerry Ford, who wasn't bad for a Republican. In this case, we would be exchanging a degenerate prick for a religious nut fundie prick, so no improvement IMHO. Possibly, Pence might be just smarmy enough to con the public into another term...YUCK.

RESIST!

[matt819]

62. Indict

"We are all worrying that you can't indict a sitting president but you can indict Trump.org"

Remember Mitt Romney: Corporations are people too.

[jimlup]

63. No ... we know he will not have a nervous breakdown simply because he is NOT a normal person

Any partially normal person being in the situation he is in would have had that breakdown 27 scandals ago. Trump is NOT normal. There is something seriously wrong in his personality.

I just hope to fucking hell that they nail him and sooner is better than later. Let him rot in jail instead of in the nation's White House.

[itcfish]

64. To The Copa Cabana?

n/t

[BigmanPigman]

65. I watched Midnight Cowboy too many times since

everytime I hear RICO I think of Rico "Ratso" Rizzo (Dustin Hoffman's character). Ratso was less sleazy than the fucking moron and his mob family.