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watoos

(7,142 posts)
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 09:40 AM Mar 2019

Did Trump even graduate?

I mean we know how Trump lies, I'm just asking.

Trump went to a military boarding school at age 13. He went to Fordam for 2 years, could he have flunked out of Fordam? He transferred to Wharton college of the University of Pennsylvania, not Wharton Business college. Did he really graduate? I saw an interview with one of Trump's professors, I think from Wharton, he called Trump the dumbest student he ever had.

Is my idea crazy? Think about it. Trump is giving these schools monetary donations, he is paying to get into these schools. Were his military academy grades good enough to get him into college or was it his money that got him into college. While at Wharton Trump also worked at his family's business which would make it a lot harder to study and get good grades, no? The NY Times reported twice that Trump graduated first in his class at Wharton, yet school records show that Trump never made the dean's list.

Finally, isn't it dumb for Trump to have his lawyer send letters threatening law suits if his SAT scores, his military school grades, his Fordam grades, his Wharton grades were ever revealed? What's the big deal if he was only an average student? Could there be more? Just asking.

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Did Trump even graduate? (Original Post) watoos Mar 2019 OP
Show us the diploma! PuraVidaDreamin Mar 2019 #1
I stayed at the Pura Vida hostel in Tamarindo. panader0 Mar 2019 #6
$100 says he didn't write one essay paper, and most are from different authors, different voices. TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #41
There have been Alpeduez21 Mar 2019 #2
yes, I've seen that as well NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #21
The only image I remember showed only part of the list of graduates. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #39
Those are printed up before the final grades are in exboyfil Mar 2019 #27
Also, they are easy enough to replicate...even back then. nt Baltimike Mar 2019 #40
Depends on the school. Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #49
Nobody would hide good grades. pwb Mar 2019 #3
Obama? Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #13
Trump U, all the way! imanamerican63 Mar 2019 #4
What do we really know about him at all?? ginnyinWI Mar 2019 #5
He has zero problem inventing stuff. Trouble is we Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #15
High school? dubyadiprecession Mar 2019 #7
His father's money got him the diploma. gtar100 Mar 2019 #8
It doesn't matter progressoid Mar 2019 #9
"It doesn't matter." llmart Mar 2019 #11
At least he admitted it. That has charm. (For someone Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #17
"We have to stop thinking that there aren't plenty of stupid people in this country because... Different Drummer Mar 2019 #34
Correct. n/t Different Drummer Mar 2019 #33
No one who claims to have graduated first in class hides her/his grades malaise Mar 2019 #10
Yes It Did ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #12
His name was on a list of graduates. watoos Mar 2019 #14
And if he produced his diploma, you'd claim it was a forgery, right? onenote Mar 2019 #23
Are you, with 'softly' pushing a possible forgery issue away from trump . . . empedocles Mar 2019 #30
Yup - people who have seen his transcripts say not bad, not good - just Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #24
BBA? What is that? Pachamama Mar 2019 #28
Bachelor in Business Administration ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #31
I don't have a degree from Penn but I do have a business degree. llmart Mar 2019 #37
With the levels of his exaggerations on everything duforsure Mar 2019 #16
Here is trump's graduation program-trump lied about graduating with honors Gothmog Mar 2019 #18
Do you mean Wharton undergrad program? Their Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #19
I'll have you know that Trump's dad paid good money for those gentleman's C's. backscatter712 Mar 2019 #20
I'm sure you're right about that FakeNoose Mar 2019 #36
I has a question too! GusBob Mar 2019 #22
If he was "the smartest" as he claims, where's his Magnum Cum Laude? tinrobot Mar 2019 #25
It's "magna". llmart Mar 2019 #38
Thanks... (never claimed I had one.) tinrobot Mar 2019 #42
LOL! llmart Mar 2019 #48
Or possibly MAGA Cum Loudly, just for him. Hekate Mar 2019 #46
For tRump, I'd offer that "smegma cum laude" is appropriate yonder Mar 2019 #51
His base won't care SHRED Mar 2019 #26
Agreed. They would probably regard a Magna Cum Laude... Different Drummer Mar 2019 #35
Let's do this: MyOwnPeace Mar 2019 #29
of course he did. he has a degree from Trump University SummerSnow Mar 2019 #32
As if he's the only person who's bought off a registrar.... lindysalsagal Mar 2019 #43
Daddy made a huge donation. sarcasmo Mar 2019 #44
I don't know. But many people are saying he didn't. We need to see his long form transcripts. Hekate Mar 2019 #45
Subpoena time ? OnDoutside Mar 2019 #47
anything this cretin claims is bound to be stained with lies and deception ForgedCrank Mar 2019 #50

TheBlackAdder

(28,182 posts)
41. $100 says he didn't write one essay paper, and most are from different authors, different voices.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 05:36 PM
Mar 2019

.

He peobably fucked over every one of the people he got to write papers for him.

Probably threatened or blackmailed into silence, since writing a paper for someone else can get you expelled.

.

Alpeduez21

(1,751 posts)
2. There have been
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 09:44 AM
Mar 2019

images of the Penn. school graduation program with his name in it. It was used to point out he had no honors or anything.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
21. yes, I've seen that as well
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 11:00 AM
Mar 2019

The only woman in the graduating class was summa cum laude, too.

(There may have been a few names that could have been either gender, but the only name that was almost certainly female was summa cum laude)

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
39. The only image I remember showed only part of the list of graduates.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 05:26 PM
Mar 2019

It was the end of the alphabet (maybe "M" thru "Z" ). Hopefully there were more women in the other parts of the list.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
27. Those are printed up before the final grades are in
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:20 PM
Mar 2019

Degree award and diploma come later. You are usually handed a diploma case.

Still it is pretty foolish to spend much time with.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
49. Depends on the school.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 08:10 PM
Mar 2019

At 2 of the three schools I graduated from, it was an actual diploma and the program was prepared after grades were in (One of those is the bane of my existence now, because I am typically teaching 3/4 of the graduating class in a course that generates 10 papers per student to grade . . .)

The third school included a mixture. I actually never received that diploma because at the time they printed the program they had misplaced my class and believed I had one more to go so I got a diploma case. Once they straightened out their records, they apparently decided they had handed me my actual diploma.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
5. What do we really know about him at all??
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 09:50 AM
Mar 2019

Only what we see him doing right now.

Finance and tax records: secret

Health records and status: secret

Educational records: secret

We don't know much about this guy at all. Hopefully now that there is a governing body in Congress, we soon will. Of course most of us knew within the first minute of hearing him speak that we didn't want him, so it wouldn't have changed much for us. But maybe for others.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
15. He has zero problem inventing stuff. Trouble is we
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:43 AM
Mar 2019

are in the high information age, not back in his hay day.

Saw this with my own eyes. Melania, on her website, showing she graduated with an Architecture degree. You KNOW he made that up. The page disappeared and then it morphed into that she went for one year and then off to Milan to model.

Only the most extremely humble person would even think about hiding good grades. And he us the antithesis of humble.

dubyadiprecession

(5,705 posts)
7. High school?
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 09:53 AM
Mar 2019

With his mindset, he probably said to himself, “my dad’s very rich, do I really need to graduate to get a job?

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
8. His father's money got him the diploma.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:04 AM
Mar 2019

Listening to him speak for a minute and it's obvious he didn't pay attention in school. His real education was in how to manipulate people, bully people, take advantage of people, and never admit to being wrong.

progressoid

(49,969 posts)
9. It doesn't matter
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:12 AM
Mar 2019

His base probably likes that he's not a smarty pants (like Obama). And the GOP will vote for anything that isn't a Democrat.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
11. "It doesn't matter."
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:35 AM
Mar 2019

Exactly. Remember when Dubya gave a commencement address and joked about how he was a D student? His supporters didn't care one whit that he was as dumb as a rock as long as they thought he would be fun to have a beer with.

We have to stop thinking that there aren't plenty of stupid people in this country because there are.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
17. At least he admitted it. That has charm. (For someone
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:47 AM
Mar 2019

who allowed Cheney to invent a fake war where hundreds of thousands died).

Yet, I agree, all he has to say is that he knew the left and fake news would criticize him if they knew. They won't remember he said he was a stable genius?

Different Drummer

(7,612 posts)
34. "We have to stop thinking that there aren't plenty of stupid people in this country because...
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 01:22 PM
Mar 2019

there are."

Depressing, but true.

malaise

(268,885 posts)
10. No one who claims to have graduated first in class hides her/his grades
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:15 AM
Mar 2019

Fuck that shit!
The vile MAGAcretin is a total and complete fake.

ProfessorGAC

(64,988 posts)
12. Yes It Did
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:37 AM
Mar 2019

BBA from Penn.
But, he was an undistinguished student, and did not get an MBA from that school.
Doubtful he would have scored high enough on the GREs to get in, absent a ghost test taker, which is not a stretch given who we're talking about.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
14. His name was on a list of graduates.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:41 AM
Mar 2019

Not good enough for me. I want to see the long form diploma.

It would be a piece of cake to get his name on a list.

onenote

(42,685 posts)
23. And if he produced his diploma, you'd claim it was a forgery, right?
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 11:16 AM
Mar 2019

I don't get why anyone thinks its productive, or enhances our credibility, to mimic Trump's stupidity (even as a "joke&quot . But to each his/her own, I guess.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
30. Are you, with 'softly' pushing a possible forgery issue away from trump . . .
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:34 PM
Mar 2019

. . . and towards good ol' watoos?


 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
24. Yup - people who have seen his transcripts say not bad, not good - just
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:07 PM
Mar 2019

mediocre.

But further up on this - he wasn't trying to learn anything that didn't relate to his wanting to be a real estate tycoon. The rest, he skimmed. He wanted to brag about a degree from Ivy League, but didn't care to learn anything other than real estate.

Pachamama

(16,886 posts)
28. BBA? What is that?
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:21 PM
Mar 2019

As a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania and the Wharton Undergraduate Program, I received a Bachelor of Science, Economics (BS).

I am not familiar with that degree from Penn or that was what ever was awarded from Penn to students enrolled in the Business program.

ProfessorGAC

(64,988 posts)
31. Bachelor in Business Administration
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:43 PM
Mar 2019

Commonly used term. Sorry if I extended that to Penn & Wharton.
I know at least 6 people from different schools that have what is termed a BBA.
Again, if Penn is different in their terminology, I apologize

llmart

(15,536 posts)
37. I don't have a degree from Penn but I do have a business degree.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:36 PM
Mar 2019

Mine is called a Bachelor of Science in Business Administration, BSBA.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
16. With the levels of his exaggerations on everything
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:44 AM
Mar 2019

That actually could be closer to the truth, and they will become exposed . Its just a matter of time before that is all in the public.

Gothmog

(145,086 posts)
18. Here is trump's graduation program-trump lied about graduating with honors
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM
Mar 2019

Trump was too stupid to get into the graduate school program at Wharton. In addition, trump did not graduate with honors. http://fortune.com/2015/08/14/donald-trump-wharton/

His school posted his graduate program that shows that he did not graduate with honor shttp://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/what_is_trumps_real_record_at.html

FakeNoose

(32,620 posts)
36. I'm sure you're right about that
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 01:33 PM
Mar 2019

I believe I read somewhere (maybe in David Cay Johnston's bio, not sure) that Chump's college attendance record wasn't even that good. He skipped a lot of classes, maybe even paid somebody to take his exams. During that time he was already working for his Dad so he didn't need a degree to get a job. Also he didn't have to worry about getting drafted, Daddy took care of that too.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
22. I has a question too!
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 11:08 AM
Mar 2019

If he was so smart, and got good grades, would he not be listed on honor rolls deans’ listts and graduate with honors?

llmart

(15,536 posts)
48. LOL!
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 08:05 PM
Mar 2019

Not to toot my own horn (well, maybe I will) but I graduated summa cum laude.

Take THAT, to the orange idiot! And I don't have to lie about it.

Different Drummer

(7,612 posts)
35. Agreed. They would probably regard a Magna Cum Laude...
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 01:27 PM
Mar 2019

as him being an elitist and they wouldn't like that.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
29. Let's do this:
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:23 PM
Mar 2019

How about we send Sheriff Joe to investigate? After all, he and IQ45 worked so well on researching PRESIDENT OBAMA'S birth certificate! And now that Sheriff David Clark is available (no longer working for Faux Spews) he could join the team!

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
45. I don't know. But many people are saying he didn't. We need to see his long form transcripts.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 07:00 PM
Mar 2019

(Nods sagely). Yes we do.

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