Alabama judge allows teen to sue on behalf of aborted fetus

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

A teenager in Alabama is suing an abortion clinic for terminating the life of his unborn child against his wishes. On Tuesday, an Alabama county court recognized the aborted fetus, "Baby Roe," as a plaintiff in the lawsuit, making the case one of the first of its kind, his lawyer said.

Ryan Magers, 19, of Madison County, claims his girlfriend got a medicated abortion at the Alabama Women's Center for Reproductive Alternatives in Huntsville in February 2017 when she was six weeks pregnant, according to legal documents, even though he urged her not to terminate the pregnancy. Alabama recognizes the personhood of a fetus, so Magers is suing on behalf of the fetus and himself.

“Baby Roe’s innocent life was taken by the profiteering of the Alabama Women’s Center and while no court will be able to bring Baby Roe back to life, we will seek the fullest extent of justice on behalf of Baby Roe and Baby Roe’s father,” Attorney Brent Helms said in a statement. “The time is ripe for consistency in Alabama’s jurisprudence: either we fully acknowledge the personhood of the unborn or we cherry pick which innocents we protect and which ones we trash for profit.”

Madison County probate court Judge Frank Barger allowed Magers to name his aborted child as a co-plaintiff in his case against Alabama Women's Center, a move that came just four months after the passage of an amendment that gave fetuses personhood, or the same legal rights as any other person, under the state constitution.

Helms believes the case could make it to the Supreme Court.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alabama-judge-allows-teen-to-sue-on-behalf-of-aborted-fetus/ar-BBUsKj0?li=BBnb7Kz

And Alabama wonders why the rest of the country looks down on it.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Six weeks is not a fetus as per development.

It's an embryo, barely past being a zygote.

[TexasBushwhacker]

14. Yup, weighs less than a gram

That's the weight of a paper clip.

[pnwmom]

15. And it's gone now. How's he going to prove he was the father? n/t

[liberalhistorian]

2. So the little lady actually thought

for herself and made a decision for herself against the wishes of a man, even though he "urged her not to do it"? Well, how dare she actually think for herself and make her own reproductive decisions! Well, the judge and the father just can't allow that now, can they?

Under the law, the woman is the only one with the right to make that decision. I'm not understand where this so-called "judge" is getting his legal reasoning from because legally it makes no sense. Then again, it IS freaking Alabama.

[Delmette2.0]

5. +1

[LiberalFighter]

7. It was my thought too that the man doesn't have standing because he wasn't married to her.

[liberalhistorian]

11. Even if they were married, he still wouldn't have legal

standing to have any say in the decision. Under the law, it's solely up to the woman. The man can neither force her to have an abortion against her will or forbid her from having an abortion. That's why this ruling is so surprising, even if it is Alabama.

[Buckeyeblue]

3. This will be dismissed on appeal. The SC will run from this one. It's just plain stupid.

[paleotn]

4. Ugh! Alabama...

[StClone]

6. Oh Boy the wackos will love this case to the SCOTUS

Is it the Mercury, is it the Lead, is it the lack of physical activity, is it the processed foods, is it the mentality, is it the mood altering drugs is it FOX...all the above?

[happybird]

8. Out of curiosity, just looked up AL sex ed laws...

From 2018:
https://www.al.com/news/2018/05/parents_want_more_sex_educatio.html

Glad to see the people are pushing for improvement. But that wasn't much help to these two teenagers in 2017.

Maybe if this little shithead had been taught something other than abstinence only bs (if his county didn't opt out of sex ed entirely), he wouldn't now be getting used by "pro life" douchebags. Just sayin'

[procon]

9. Men can only dream of having this unrestricted

control over women. It's the authoritarian patriarchy reasserting itself by claiming dominion over a woman's mind and body.

The chickens and their eggs belong to him, the cow and her calf are his to to with as he pleases. The establishment of women as chattel, just another male posession subject to his command, would solidify their status as second class citizens with few rights and no autonomy for making individual decisions.

[pnwmom]

10. How does he intend to prove he was the father? Did he DNA check the embryo? n/t

[OhioBlue]

12. Right?! There is no legal proof his dna was involved.

[LiberalFighter]

13. That is another good point imo.

[Mariana]

16. If she didn't have sex with anyone else

during the relevant time, then he would have to be the father. Could they subpoena the woman and compel her to testify about when and with whom she had sex?

[Volaris]

18. Who gives a shit?

She's perfectly entitled to have sex with whoever the hell she damnwell pleases. If HE thinks he should have standing to sue (and he shouldn't, even if he's the father BECAUSE IT WASNT HIS BODY THAT WAS PREGNANT), then HE should be able to prove that HE was the father, regardless of her co-operation, or lack thereof, in the usurpation of her Rights.

The above poster is correct---the loons are gonna go apeshit over this case. I hope like hell every Court in the chain slaps the shit out of this kid.

Fuck this little woman-hating cristo fascist.
Motherfuckers want Handmaid's Tale.
I'm a pacifist.
That stops at 'I also have a DAUGHTER.'

On a less civil note: THIS is why incels shouldn't get laid IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[pnwmom]

19. On what basis? She committed no crime -- unless they succeed in making this a crime.

And then she could take the 5th.

[Mariana]

21. She's a witness, in that she has knowledge of his paternity.

Witnesses don't have to be accused of any crime in order to be compelled to testify.

[pnwmom]

22. She's a witness to WHAT? A crime that didn't happen. No one broke any law. n/t

[Mariana]

24. This is a civil suit.

Definition of witness, in this context: A witness is a person who testifies under oath in a trial or a deposition in the lawsuit. Witnesses have first-hand knowledge about matters relevant to the case and their testimony is subject to the applicable rules of evidence.

So you see, witnesses testify in civil cases, too.

Let's go back to the beginning of the subthread. You asked, "How does he intend to prove he was the father?" One possible answer is that his attorney calls her as a witness to testify as to whether he was the father, since she has direct knowledge about that.

[pnwmom]

25. But even in a civil suit doesn't someone have to break a law for a case to come to court?

And even in a civil suit she could plead the 5th. The reasoning would be that if somehow it was determined that the abortion facility was at fault, then the plaintiff could add her as a defendant. Why should she be forced to give evidence that would support a potential lawsuit of his against her?

[Judi Lynn]

17. Yes, this fine young "man" looks as if he would make a perfect father:

Ryan Magers, what a noble, evolved being.

[tblue37]

26. He just guaranteed that a lot of women will avoid sex with him for fear of getting

pregnant and having no way out.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

20. When my sons were in about middle school,

I told them that if they got a girl pregnant, the decision to have the baby or not was entirely up to her. She might choose to have a baby they don't want, she might choose to have an abortion they don't want. It might not be fair, but it was right that she and she alone decide what to do.

So far as I know neither of my sons ever had a pregnant girlfriend.

[Mariana]

23. Better if she had never told him she was pregnant in the first place.

Of course, she couldn't have known he would do anything like this. That's just it - there's no telling what the heck the man will do if he doesn't agree with her choice.

[tblue37]

27. A young woman might need the boyfriend's help to pay for the abortion. It costs

more money than most teens have easy access to.

Unfortunately, a lot of the guys refuse when the question of helping to pay is raised.