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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:03 AM Mar 2019

Pelosi on Omar: Comments were 'not intentionally anti-Semitic'


By ANNA PALMER, JAKE SHERMAN and DANIEL LIPPMAN 03/07/2019 06:07 AM EST

-snip-

THIS HAPPENED WEDNESDAY as Pelosi was on the way from the House floor to her Capitol office suite, and the speaker got a slew of questions about REP. ILHAN OMAR (D-MINN.) and her comments about Israel.

NBC’S GARRETT HAAKE asked PELOSI if she was worried that she’d have to put a resolution on the floor every time anyone said something offensive. “I don’t think so, and I don’t think this is just about comments by Congresswoman Omar, which I do not think were intentionally anti-Semitic.”

ON PELOSI … HEATHER CAYGLE, SARAH FERRIS and JOHN BRESNAHAN: “Omar uproar swamps Pelosi”: “With the fallout over Rep. Ilhan Omar’s controversial comments paralyzing House Democrats, Speaker Nancy Pelosi found herself on the floor Wednesday afternoon asking some of her closest allies what exactly she should do.

“For 20 minutes, Pelosi huddled with senior members of the Congressional Black Caucus — House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn of South Carolina and Reps. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas, and Karen Bass and Barbara Lee of California — to try to determine what kind of resolution the CBC would back that rejected Omar’s remarks about Israel without unfairly singling her out. It’s a balance that Pelosi and her deputies initially failed to reach when a draft resolution began circulating Monday night.

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https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/03/07/pelosi-on-omar-comments-were-not-intentionally-anti-semitic-404908
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Pelosi on Omar: Comments were 'not intentionally anti-Semitic' (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2019 OP
Sorry to see Speaker Pelosi having to spend so much energy with the opposite wings empedocles Mar 2019 #1
Good. Accept graciously and eyes right -- on the Republicans. Hortensis Mar 2019 #2
The truth sound much better. Rep. Omar's comments were intentionally not anti-Semitic. nt Autumn Mar 2019 #3
+1 jcmaine72 Mar 2019 #5
Omar should be reprimanded by name. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #4
She apologized for those statements already, why is this an issue still?! uponit7771 Mar 2019 #6
Because she turned around and made more after the apology. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #7
No she did not uponit7771 Mar 2019 #10
No, she didn't DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #15
And in that speech she used the old "dual-loyality" trope. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #18
Nowhere in her remarks do the words "dual loyalty" DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #24
Her comments are a textbook example of the dual loyalty trope. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #25
OK, be offended DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #36
Uh, no. Nice attempt at "re-framing" reality CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #37
Because the Republicans are trying to create Skidmore Mar 2019 #9
+1, there was a guy on MSNBC attempting to equate Omar to generations of the rights racism uponit7771 Mar 2019 #11
The Republicans--as dastardly as they can be--are not responsible for the words... CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #13
They are however, responsible for making it more than it is LanternWaste Mar 2019 #22
Who gave then the ammunition? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #23
Humans ... and if they didn't have the ammo they'd make it up. We all know this by now uponit7771 Mar 2019 #31
Because it's constant and consistent with her theboss Mar 2019 #27
This is false uponit7771 Mar 2019 #30
Maybe she's hypnotized you, like the Jews have apparently tried to do. theboss Mar 2019 #33
?! What the hell does that mean? tia uponit7771 Mar 2019 #34
Yep. No one understands the post. As I predicted theboss Mar 2019 #35
Paralyzed? LOL! DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #8
+1. It's manufactured outrage dalton99a Mar 2019 #12
In her district? No, it would not. theboss Mar 2019 #28
It's unintentionally happened 3 times now. Mosby Mar 2019 #14
An article written by and qouting headless chickens Kaleva Mar 2019 #16
+1. It's a miracle that they can walk dalton99a Mar 2019 #17
They need to have some specific diversity training for members of Congress frazzled Mar 2019 #19
Well said! CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #20
+1 Mosby Mar 2019 #21
What's worse? Calling out her anti-semitism or treating her like a child? theboss Mar 2019 #26
In other words, Ilhan Omar is not being thrown under the bus. IMHO she is young and teachable... Hekate Mar 2019 #29
There's a Republican spouting obviously intentional anti-Semitism every goddamned day... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #32

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
1. Sorry to see Speaker Pelosi having to spend so much energy with the opposite wings
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:10 AM
Mar 2019

of the Dem Party. Costly.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Good. Accept graciously and eyes right -- on the Republicans.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:14 AM
Mar 2019

The point's been made, and learning curves all have ends somewhere.

 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
4. Omar should be reprimanded by name.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:06 AM
Mar 2019

Using anti-Semitic tropes should be unacceptable in the Democratic Party.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
15. No, she didn't
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:28 AM
Mar 2019

She asked why a group that lobbies for foreign interests (presumably AIPAC, but could be lobbyists for Saudi Arabia, whom she has also criticized, or other countries) is immune from criticism when it's ok to criticize other lobbyists like the NRA, the gas/oil/coal lobbyists, etc.

If, as you posted in another thread, you love Palestinians, then you should also be concerned about the influence of AIPAC and its ability to use that influence in the US to keep the rightwingers, who are the architects of Palestinian suffering and are doing great damage to Israel's democracy, in power in Israel.

 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
18. And in that speech she used the old "dual-loyality" trope.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:17 PM
Mar 2019

It is a dog-whistle.

Democrats can make criticisms of Israeli policies and/or politicians without resort to making anti-Semitic comments.

Really. Not. Difficult.

 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
25. Her comments are a textbook example of the dual loyalty trope.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:38 PM
Mar 2019

"So for me I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is ok for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country."


DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
36. OK, be offended
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 06:18 PM
Mar 2019

It's a perfect example of Omar's point. Say something that can even remotely be interpreted as critical of US policy toward Israel and it's immediately and loudly labled as anti-semetic.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
9. Because the Republicans are trying to create
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:16 AM
Mar 2019

a talking point for the campaigns by trying to deflect from their racist ranks and policies and Omar is their designated example.

 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
13. The Republicans--as dastardly as they can be--are not responsible for the words...
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:22 AM
Mar 2019

that come out of her mouth.

Omar is.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. They are however, responsible for making it more than it is
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:22 PM
Mar 2019

They are however, responsible for making it more than it is, making her apology less than it was, and manipulating the easily-led...

 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
23. Who gave then the ammunition?
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:27 PM
Mar 2019

Rep. Omar's words deserve condemnation by Democrats irrespective of Republican hypocrisy.

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
33. Maybe she's hypnotized you, like the Jews have apparently tried to do.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 05:02 PM
Mar 2019

Be careful with that.

(No one is going to understand this post, I'm sure. Oh well).

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
35. Yep. No one understands the post. As I predicted
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 05:08 PM
Mar 2019

Maybe before you say that she is not consistent with her anti-Semitic statements, you should review her history of anti-Semitic statements.

Though "knowing what you are talking about" has never been a pre-requisite for posting here.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
8. Paralyzed? LOL!
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:16 AM
Mar 2019

Omar's comments hardly stopped Dems from passing HR1 and other bills or Chairmen Nadler, Cummings, Schiff and Waters from investigating Trump, corruption, Russia, finances, etc.

This is a completely made up controversy - on the order of Hillary's emails - so cable news and other media can get their fill of Dem "scandal" and not have to focus eclusively on digging and reporting on the real scandals involving every cabinet department in the administration, cabinet secretary and Trump.

dalton99a

(81,450 posts)
12. +1. It's manufactured outrage
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:20 AM
Mar 2019

It would be political suicide for Omar to be anti-Semitic, and she knows it.

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
28. In her district? No, it would not.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 04:39 PM
Mar 2019

And clearly being anti-Semitic is not a problem with this younger generation of Left-wingers.

Mosby

(16,299 posts)
14. It's unintentionally happened 3 times now.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:27 AM
Mar 2019

Maybe four, I'm losing track of the number of times Omar unintentionally said some Antisemitic stuff.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
16. An article written by and qouting headless chickens
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:29 AM
Mar 2019

From the article:

“Omar uproar swamps Pelosi”

There is no truth to the above. And this comment below is also bogus:

"“With the fallout over Rep. Ilhan Omar’s controversial comments paralyzing House Democrats..."

House Dems are not paralyzed.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/03/07/pelosi-on-omar-comments-were-not-intentionally-anti-semitic-404908

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
19. They need to have some specific diversity training for members of Congress
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:18 PM
Mar 2019

So that members do not "unintentionally" use anti-Semitic tropes, such as suggesting that Jews somehow control the government through money (the Benjamins remark); or that their patriotism is somehow suspect (the "dual allegiance" ) remark.

Honestly, this was never about criticizing the Israeli government or criticizing AIPAC (both of which deserve criticism, as do many other Middle Eastern governments and many other interest groups). It was about using well-worn dog-whistle calumnies, however subtle, that recall centuries of anti-Semitic propaganda. Truly, in this day where neo-Nazism is on the rise and anti-Semitic acts have risen sharply, there should be no room to excuse these "unintentional" slurs. Criticize Israeli government policies and AIPAC shenanigans as much as you like, but don't resort to dangerous slurs that have led to serious consequences for innocent, patriotic citizens. Obama criticized Israel's occupation actions severely, but he never ever crossed that line. And no one should be excused for doing so.

Truly, this is as serious as instances of implicit racism, homophobia, and sexism. And sensitivity training should help people understand that what they are saying is not harmless. It should extend to more than just members of Congress. People here who are dismissing the remarks are in need of some serious re-education themselves. Hopeless, I know. But just for the record.

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
26. What's worse? Calling out her anti-semitism or treating her like a child?
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 04:37 PM
Mar 2019

All these comments are "She's just a poor silly immigrant child....what does she know?"

Hekate

(90,642 posts)
29. In other words, Ilhan Omar is not being thrown under the bus. IMHO she is young and teachable...
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 04:40 PM
Mar 2019

She now has the opportunity to learn. She just needs to demonstrate that she has and will.

In my opinion, this is a good thing. Maybe we Dems are finally learning something ourselves: not throw our own under the bus at the first mistake -- and especially not because the GOP/FOX tells us to.

Now about having AOC's back, because she is also being besmirched in the media...

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
32. There's a Republican spouting obviously intentional anti-Semitism every goddamned day...
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 05:00 PM
Mar 2019

...and the news just moves on. We, meanwhile, have to get the Speaker of the fucking House to address clumsy rhetoric? Liberal media my ass.

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