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red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 05:44 PM Mar 2019

It's Not Just Medicare: Trump Budget Eyes Social Security Cuts, Too

Rachel Maddow Show/The Maddow Blog
MSNBC
March 11, 2019


"I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid," Donald Trump declared in 2015.
"Every other Republican's going to cut, and even if they wouldn't, they don't know what to do because they don't know where the money is..I do..I do."

It became a staple of his national candidacy: no matter what, Americans could count on him to champion these social-insurance programs.

Four years later, the President is, in fact, proposing deep cuts to Medicare and Medicaid.
As The New York Times reported, Trump's newly proposed budget completes the trifecta by targeting Social Security too.
"The administration also proposes spending $26 billion less on Social Security programs,
including a $10 billion cut to the Social Security Disability Program."

As we discussed earlier, the problem with a proposal like this isn't necessarily practical: with a
Democratic-led U.S. House, there's simply no way policymakers will endorse the White House's blueprint or enact the cuts Trump supports.

Rather, what this represents is a political problem on a variety of fronts.
It's obviously, for example, a profound broken promise: as a Republican candidate, Trump swore up and down for months that he'd never try to cut Social Security, but here he is anyway, doing the opposite of what he said he'd do.

More + links:
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/its-not-just-medicare-trump-budget-eyes-social-security-cuts-too

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It's Not Just Medicare: Trump Budget Eyes Social Security Cuts, Too (Original Post) red dog 1 Mar 2019 OP
Whatever he can do to harm people, he will do. He's a sociopathic sadist! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2019 #1
He's the Devil! red dog 1 Mar 2019 #2
... or the AntiChrist. Maybe both. At minimal, a super asshole! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2019 #4
He may well be the AntiChrist. red dog 1 Mar 2019 #30
Yeah, he fits the description from what I know about the AntiChrist. I'm surprised more people are RKP5637 Mar 2019 #31
I'm surprised at that too. red dog 1 Mar 2019 #33
Bingo!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2019 #34
Trump only does things that are cruel, stupid, or evil dalton99a Mar 2019 #3
Bingo. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #18
The REPUBLICAN budget, that is. JHB Mar 2019 #5
+ 1 red dog 1 Mar 2019 #15
Yeah, they're lovin' it all. $$$ sprinkleeninow Mar 2019 #22
And yet his Trumphumpers will vote for him anyway. area51 Mar 2019 #6
They will find it harder to do so - Rural white Americans are champs at getting disability elfin Mar 2019 #13
Rural Americans also have limited job availability - most are heavy labor. haele Mar 2019 #32
I understand those circumstances elfin Mar 2019 #35
You've also hit on an issue that we as a society do not have the will to address. haele Mar 2019 #36
Fuck that fucking fuck MH1 Mar 2019 #7
Here....🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵 Take a few for next time irisblue Mar 2019 #16
Here, I'll contribute. Reinforcement strength in numbers. sprinkleeninow Mar 2019 #23
Ain't gonna happen but 2naSalit Mar 2019 #24
he is a liar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Mar 2019 #8
Exactly. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #19
Only when Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #20
If Trump can toss away those campaign promises, he can do the same procon Mar 2019 #9
There needs to be Dems Skidmore Mar 2019 #10
Thanks, Trump voters who are over 65 Are you happy now? nt raccoon Mar 2019 #11
I guess nothing that happens in the country is up to us! FiveGoodMen Mar 2019 #12
We need to dust off the 'granny off the cliff' ad radius777 Mar 2019 #14
Same game, different inning. Democrats will not allow any cuts so I guess tRump is setting up for yaesu Mar 2019 #17
+ 1 red dog 1 Mar 2019 #28
Is anyone really surprised by this? littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #21
No matter what, (gullible) Americans could count on him...n/t hibbing Mar 2019 #25
But he keeps his Iliyah Mar 2019 #26
But I'm betting this will put more $$ in his pockets! CDerekGo Mar 2019 #27
He is "the devil incarnate" red dog 1 Mar 2019 #29

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
31. Yeah, he fits the description from what I know about the AntiChrist. I'm surprised more people are
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:26 PM
Mar 2019

not saying it.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
33. I'm surprised at that too.
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:18 PM
Mar 2019

(From Merriam-Webster.com)

Definition of AntiChrist:

1. "One who denies or opposes Christ.
[specifically;] - "a great antagonist expected to fill the world with wickedness"

2. - "used in an exaggerated way to describe a person regarded as a powerful and malevolent adversary"

JHB

(37,158 posts)
5. The REPUBLICAN budget, that is.
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:00 PM
Mar 2019

He unequivocally leads their party. They've backed him at every turn. Even the ones who occasionally float a trial balloon of criticism always knuckle under.

When he came into office former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and then-Speaker Paul Ryan were chortling at the opportunity to finally undo the last remnants of the New Deal. And nobody else said boo about what they said.

When Bush managed to stay in office in 2004, he was all rarin' to go to privatize Social Security, he was going to spend all of his "political capital" to do it, and they were left running so hard with their tail between their legs tha they pulled Soviet-grade rewrites of history to claim they'd never ever used the term "privatization". Yet always always ALWAYS they try again whenever they see an opportunity.

Republicans are out to steal everything from you, and anyone who fights them gets called a "socialist".

sprinkleeninow

(20,237 posts)
22. Yeah, they're lovin' it all. $$$
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:25 PM
Mar 2019

There had better be an outcry of monumental proportion and push back from 'our' leaders.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
13. They will find it harder to do so - Rural white Americans are champs at getting disability
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:39 PM
Mar 2019

Can't remember where I saw an article on it - perhaps New Yorker a few years ago. There is an amazing number of people claiming "seizure disorders" in trailer parks all over the deep South. Rural Northerners are also really good at it, but not quite so many enabling doctors as I remember the article.

Other people scam it as well, but moves like this are going to end up hurting real sufferers. My stereotypical prejudice is that those who scam are more likely to be crooked Repubs.

haele

(12,647 posts)
32. Rural Americans also have limited job availability - most are heavy labor.
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:29 PM
Mar 2019

My SIL works in the rural south for a Disability Lawyer. The biggest town is 75 miles away, the biggest city is near 100. The nearest reputable Jr. College is 30 miles away; most people living there don't have much more than an AS or AA if they graduated High School and decided to pursue higher education. Most of the jobs around are retail, factory/manufacturing, or agriculture and are targeted to the local population that has lived there pretty much for generations. All "hard working, heavy labor/low education" type jobs.

The way SSDI is written, if they can't work the available jobs due to an injury or just their body breaking down, they're eligible. Since there aren't many jobs that people whose backs, lungs, or legs have gone out can do in these rural areas, they go on SSDI as an alternative to not being able to get an income at all.
Yes, there are scammers. But not as many as people think...

I am permanently partially disabled. I live in San Diego, so there's plenty of full time jobs around that someone who has limitations can still find meaningful, decent paying work.

But....If my residence was where SIL works, I'd be on disability, because there just aren't that many low impact or desk jobs with flexible hours there. It wouldn't be scamming if I couldn't find work anywhere nearby that I didn't have to get up and drive 50 miles and screw my back and leg up even more - and if I don't have the wherewithal to move myself and my family the 100 miles or so away to where I could possibly find a job for the next couple years before my body finally did break down.

Haele

elfin

(6,262 posts)
35. I understand those circumstances
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:03 PM
Mar 2019

Other rural areas have only seasonal work due to out of staters needing services during the few months they are there for recreational experiences (snowmobiling in winter or lake experiences in the summer etc.

However many combine seasonal unemployment benefits along with contrived disability for one spouse or partner, while the other has employment (often in school services, bus driver and the like.) Together they can make it. If the uber rich can "work the system", why can't those struggling?

I don't begrudge them, but I do want the others who refuse to do any work and then drink and smoke their lives away on lies be kicked off the rolls. I personally know both kinds in that I live in a rural area where everyone knows everyone else and their circumstances.

haele

(12,647 posts)
36. You've also hit on an issue that we as a society do not have the will to address.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:05 PM
Mar 2019

I'm not saying you're wrong in that these people are working the system, but perhaps you're seeing a much smaller impact than what is the actual situation

The question is not "how do we keep only the people who need to be on SSDI on SSDI", but it is to ask "What is the function of SSDI and who is it supposed to support?"

SSDI is a disability insurance plan people pay into. Disability doesn't pertain to just the obvious physical and mental limitations. There's all sorts of personal impediments to working that aren't obvious to the average observer that impact the ability for a person to earn a wage.

When looking at the types of SSDI recipients who appear to be scamming the system because they don't seem to be disabled, one should consider what to do with those who are pretty much either emotionally or mentally incapable of doing much more than occasional handiwork, and are otherwise sitting around and wasting the hours in "an offhand way".

America has always been really hung up on the concept that people are only as important as their ability to produce for society in general.
When I've met people in (or from) other countries, after family or social status ("tribe" ) is established they typically ask "what you are interested in?" or "Do you like <FITB>?" to see if there are interests in common. In America, it's pretty much always "What do you do?" or "Where do you work?".

So, when looking at most of the people I know who have problems with jobs or attitudes, tough love and a kick in the butt won't really help those who, while not exactly recognizably on a mental spectrum enough to be considered disabled, are not the types that anyone would want to hire for more than a couple days because they're going to have to ride herd on that person once their "sorryness" kicks in.

These people do have mental health problems that cause them to be dysfunctional. Chronic sullen resentment, stubborn laziness, slow reactions, wandering attention spans, defensive immaturity, "habitual attitude problems" - whatever sane, functional people want to call such marginal personalities.

They have as much of a condition of a f***d up mind - instead of a f***d up body as a schizophrenic does. Something happened to them whether it was nature or nurture. Whether it's PTSD, just being spoiled rotten when they were kids, or genetically being a borderline neurotic or serotonin-deprived depressive personality who is chronically tired, whatever they're "capable" of doing or whatever they can't hold down any sort of long-term employment.

They may just be slow to mature, or actually dealing with a physical or mental issue that will eventually be manageable - and in time, they can reach the condition of being relatively functional in terms of work. (I've got a near family member in a "slow to mature" attitude situation - 10 years into legal adulthood, but only maybe during that time, only three years of emotional maturity gained beyond that which would be expected of a 12-year old)

Or they may only ever be capable of living and working in an agrarian or hunter-gatherer lifestyle, when there's a lot of downtime for someone who is emotionally immature to be able to process and cope with the otherwise simple effort to survive.
And all of that's really much harder to fix - if it can be fixed.

When there's no support structure or flexibility to work when they are capable of work, these adults usually end up homeless or in jail.
Especially since most people around them are far more functional than they are and understandably take the simplistic view that "all they need is a swift kick and some tough love, and they'll straighten out quick...".
Which they don't. It too often takes years, and too often fails as substance abuse and "altering reality" seems to be the only coping mechanism that the minimally functional have left.

While it's easy to call lazy, shiftless scammers, what do we do with people who can't seem to cope with the real world in the meantime?
Let them just drift into an underground/transient/homeless/criminal lifestyle? We're going to pay for their inability to function one way or another.
And honestly, it costs far more to deal with them in the criminal system than it does to leave them and any minor dependents on SSDI.


Haele


MH1

(17,600 posts)
7. Fuck that fucking fuck
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:05 PM
Mar 2019

preferably with a painful inanimate object.

Let me have a couple drinks and I'll tell you how I really feel ...

sprinkleeninow

(20,237 posts)
23. Here, I'll contribute. Reinforcement strength in numbers.
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:30 PM
Mar 2019

🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵

2naSalit

(86,569 posts)
24. Ain't gonna happen but
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:41 PM
Mar 2019

I totally share the sentiment. Fuck that shit! After some meds, I'll say what I really feel too!

procon

(15,805 posts)
9. If Trump can toss away those campaign promises, he can do the same
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:09 PM
Mar 2019

thing with his stupid border wall... yeah?

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
12. I guess nothing that happens in the country is up to us!
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:12 PM
Mar 2019

If only Dems had realized that the president has complete power over everything back when we held the White House!!

radius777

(3,635 posts)
14. We need to dust off the 'granny off the cliff' ad
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:46 PM
Mar 2019

one of the best attack ads of all time lol .. but instead of a Paul Ryan look-alike swap him with a Trump look-alike lol..



Trump could easily lose a state like FL (large retirement population) over attempting mess with SS and MC, the third rail of American politics, when he promised not to touch it. It could become the new "read my lips no new taxes" broken campaign promise.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
17. Same game, different inning. Democrats will not allow any cuts so I guess tRump is setting up for
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:09 PM
Mar 2019

another gov shutdown.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
28. + 1
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:12 PM
Mar 2019

I agree...I think the bastard does want another govt. shutdown.

He's such a complete asshole!..and so is that evil SOB McTurtle.

littlemissmartypants

(22,632 posts)
21. Is anyone really surprised by this?
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:18 PM
Mar 2019

He had both houses and didn't get sh*t done for two years, so to me this just reveals in detail, the depth and breadth of his evilness and stupidity. It also means we have to work our democratic asses off, quite literally.



GOTV!!

CDerekGo

(507 posts)
27. But I'm betting this will put more $$ in his pockets!
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:05 AM
Mar 2019

This man is truly the devil incarnate, and I'm atheist! The worst part? There are still those out there, receiving Medicare, and Social Security, who believe this azzhat was 'chosen by god' whatever the hell that means. CINO's (christian in name only) will one day look back on all of this and wonder aloud, how in the hell were they so easily led...o wait, never mind.

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