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jmowreader

(50,556 posts)
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:35 PM Mar 2019

I do believe Paul Manafort is in deep trouble

You know that second sentencing hearing he's going to face this week? Take a guess who the judge is.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/08/paul-manafort-sentence-could-become-a-longer-one-for-trump-campaign-chief.html

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Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Amy Berman "Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfucking snakes in this motherfucking administration!" Jackson is about to open some fuckin' windows on Ostrich Skin Boy over there.

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I do believe Paul Manafort is in deep trouble (Original Post) jmowreader Mar 2019 OP
Isn't the most she could sentence him to is 10 years to run consecutively? catbyte Mar 2019 #1
Yes manor321 Mar 2019 #2
Can she exceed the maximum recommended sentence Mr. Ected Mar 2019 #4
No, sentencing recommendations aren't statutory localroger Mar 2019 #17
Throw the Book at that gangster! IluvPitties Mar 2019 #3
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger C_U_L8R Mar 2019 #5
But wait, there's more!! aeromanKC Mar 2019 #6
It won't matter what she does. Trump will pardon him before the week is over. n/t jaysunb Mar 2019 #7
I don't think so jmowreader Mar 2019 #8
Exactly! 2naSalit Mar 2019 #9
100% he is going to be pardoned. Its already been agreed. Mr. Sparkle Mar 2019 #15
The official wouldn't actually have to answer. He could refuse, and get sentenced to prison again, BamaRefugee Mar 2019 #20
That makes two assumptions quakerboy Mar 2019 #23
You think 45 is that generous? paleotn Mar 2019 #10
Kicked and recommended. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #18
Another little wrinkle to bolster your supposition, Chellee Mar 2019 #25
10 years with the other 4 years that Manafort has now is a life sentence Botany Mar 2019 #11
I think it's best not to emphasize or celerbretize judges in this political climate. enough Mar 2019 #12
When did she say that? You got a link? Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #13
That was me and not her jmowreader Mar 2019 #14
You'd be surprised at how non-partisan judges can be. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #16
Hell, yeah. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #19
Manafort will be pardoned, book it. watoos Mar 2019 #21
Yep garybeck Mar 2019 #22
There are dozens of crimes being investigated in NY and NJ and who knows where else.... George II Mar 2019 #24

catbyte

(34,375 posts)
1. Isn't the most she could sentence him to is 10 years to run consecutively?
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:40 PM
Mar 2019

At least that would take him into his low-80's, I guess.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
4. Can she exceed the maximum recommended sentence
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:48 PM
Mar 2019

Like Judge Ellis exceeded the minimum sentencing guidelines by a long shot?

localroger

(3,626 posts)
17. No, sentencing recommendations aren't statutory
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:45 PM
Mar 2019

I suspect Ellis would have let Manafort go with a suspended sentence if the law had let him. Sentencing guidelines are a different thing from statutory penalties. Judges have a lot of leeway to stack penalties consecutively or run them concurrently especially when there are a lot of charges with relatively small statutory sentences per charge, but they can't deviate from the statutory requirements at all. Ellis basically gave Manafort the minimum possible considering the guilty verdicts stacked against him.

jmowreader

(50,556 posts)
8. I don't think so
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:18 PM
Mar 2019

Accepting a pardon erases Fifth Amendment protections. If Robert Mueller were to bring a pardoned Trump Administration official in and start questioning him, the official would have to answer. Trump knows this and doesn't want to deal with it.

2naSalit

(86,571 posts)
9. Exactly!
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:30 PM
Mar 2019

But agentorange might not be able to control himself. In that case, Manafort does have to cooperate or he can go back to prison and stay there until Congress (the House) decides to let him out I'm thinking he'll die in prison one way or the other.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,932 posts)
15. 100% he is going to be pardoned. Its already been agreed.
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:38 PM
Mar 2019

The reason Manafort wont talk is a pardon has already been put in place. One of the most telling reasons is the way all of trumps surrogates have come out and said how great a guy he is and how badly he has been treated unlike Cohen who has completely been thrown under the bus. He is going to pardon him under the guise of been very ill.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
20. The official wouldn't actually have to answer. He could refuse, and get sentenced to prison again,
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 10:18 PM
Mar 2019

at which point The Orange Anal Wart would pardon him again.
Rinse and repeat.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
23. That makes two assumptions
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 11:08 PM
Mar 2019

1) that they havnt agreed on a pardon for two days after the mueller report has returned and the investigation ended.
2) that Mueller is on our side. The man is still a righty. I will believe he aint crooked when the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt. So far, as far as I can tell, all he has produced is a few fall guys and a lot of "The Orange doth protest too much, methinks".

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
10. You think 45 is that generous?
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:32 PM
Mar 2019

I don't. There's nothing in it for him initially and he shows little interest in strategic thinking. I doubt he's pardon his own spawn, unless he would quickly benefit from it.

Chellee

(2,095 posts)
25. Another little wrinkle to bolster your supposition,
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 11:50 PM
Mar 2019

per TRMS we were reminded again that Manafort was skimming money from the Trump inaugural fund, maybe more than we knew about. Per Fire and Fury and Chris Christies' book, we know how he feels about people who "are stealing my fucking money!!" Trump thinks that the inaugural money was "his" money. Reminding him that Manafort was stealing from him might make him change his mind about a pardon. He's so petty and vindictive, and incapable of seeing the big picture. Manafort could be toast.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
11. 10 years with the other 4 years that Manafort has now is a life sentence
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:33 PM
Mar 2019

.. besides he has other time coming too.

enough

(13,256 posts)
12. I think it's best not to emphasize or celerbretize judges in this political climate.
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:33 PM
Mar 2019

This isn’t about judges being on one team or the other, being badass, etc.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. When did she say that? You got a link?
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:34 PM
Mar 2019

Hard to believe a judge spoke that way. I actually find that disturbing and not a good sign, if she said that. Judges are supposed to be neutral, applying the law in a carefully considered, judicious way.

jmowreader

(50,556 posts)
14. That was me and not her
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:36 PM
Mar 2019

But after all the shit Trump has put her through in the last couple of years, she's not likely to be lenient.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
16. You'd be surprised at how non-partisan judges can be.
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:44 PM
Mar 2019

Most (not all) work to keep their passions out of their judgments. They are appliers of the law and try to be dispassionate. They're not like you and me.

Even if she's ticked at Trump, that would have no bearing on the Manafort sentencing. He's not Trump.

George II

(67,782 posts)
24. There are dozens of crimes being investigated in NY and NJ and who knows where else....
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 11:15 PM
Mar 2019

Federal pardon or not, his life of living large are over.

Plus, he's already forfeited tens of millions of dollars. If he ever gets out he'll be living in the poor house.

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