Crap...Is anyone watching Rachel now?

[RandySF]

She's reading off one FAA report after another that documents problems with the Boeing 737 Max.

[Bleacher Creature]

1. I guess that explains Captain Crazy's loony tweets today. NT

[Chin music]

9. Noooo. He broke it down for everybody....ahem...

"They're too hard to fly."

[onetexan]

24. Definitely the reason we'd expect from a stable genius

[RockRaven]

2. The FAA official who would be the one to ground the fleet is an airline lobbyist, the acting SecDef

is a Boeing guy whose career is connected to that model, and the Boeing CEO told Trump on the phone that the aircraft is safe... so don't count on Trump's FAA to put public safety ahead of the airlines' and Boeing's next week/month/quarter profits. No matter what evidence the FAA has in it's possession.

[octoberlib]

3. Did an OP on Ellwell and FAA

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211914389

[ProudMNDemocrat]

4. That is the same type of plane my husband flew back to Minnesota from California on.

He did call me from Minneapolis Airport that he landed safely.

[blm]

5. Hey - Boeing was warned when they moved to an anti-union state that

it would be a bad decision to try and increase profits by cutting labor costs.

[pangaia]

7. Is it know if those was truly due to cheap labor

Or is it more a design flaw?
As far as I know so far it is a design issue and not fully informing pilots about the function of the design as in "we did not want to burden average pilots with an overload of information" !!!


This a pretty damn close quote BOLD ID MINE!

[blm]

11. We'll dig out some truth eventually. No corporation willingly admits that their greedy quest

for cheaper labor is the REAL flaw.

[watoos]

20. Sounds to me like a software flaw,

the computer over-corrects after take-off and dips the nose. The pilots can flip 2 switches and override the computer and manually fly the plane.

That's the story I heard. CNBC had a union official on its show today and when the anchor said that the pilots are fine with the plane the union official called him a liar.

Boeing will handle this because their stock is crashing too.

[rufus dog]

28. Sounds like a design flaw that they tried to cover up with software

The design causes the nose to rise, creating a stall, the software makes a dip. So it may be two competing forces with pilots being forced to manage in a stressful environment.

So they corrected a design flaw to make the computer dip the nose. Stall, dip, rise, stall dip rise. you are 2000 feet above the ground. STALL DIP RISE STALL DIP RISE!

Get it! And that last fucking line about Boeing handling it. go fucking think about that!

[CurtEastPoint]

8. Yep. Nikki Haley (ex gov of SC) facilitated that move.

[lordsummerisle]

14. The Boeing 737 Max 8

is built in Renton, WA.

[blm]

15. From parts designed and built by Boeing Propulsion SC

https://www.postandcourier.com/business/sc-plants-supply-parts-for-scrutinized-max-program/article_a2de5e22-44d8-11e9-a82b-b3a44013a8f0.html

[lordsummerisle]

16. In the article you cited it says

The parts that are made in South Carolina would not contribute to issues with the stall protection system, said Bjorn Fehrm, an aeronautics analyst with Leeham Co.

[blm]

17. And we'll know more after the investigation

.

[lordsummerisle]

22. And whatever the findings

it probably won't have anything to do with Boeing having a facility in a right-to-work state.

[pangaia]

25. Actually, I woukd ve surprised if a rifht to work state, bad as tgey are,

had anything to do with it.

[GulfCoast66]

18. There is not the slightest bit of evidence that points to poor construction in this problem.

All evidence points to design flaws and a failure to provide proper information on the flight control system.

It may be satisfying to put all problems at the door of an action we don’t like. But as this is a fact based site I think it silly to try to make a connection between the two situations with a sound evidence to support it.

I will wait for the facts. I don’t doubt Boeing Fucked up royally. But doubt South Carolina workers are to blame.

[pangaia]

26. Thank you

[WhiskeyWulf]

6. I was just writing up a post . . .

I checked one last time to make sure no one else had already posted & saw this.

She just pointed out a couple minutes ago that Trump's government shutdown delayed the implementation of a fix to the software believed to be causing these crashes & led to the Ethiopian crash.

The blood of those killed is on Trump's hands.

[BigmanPigman]

12. He has the blood on his hands

of all those who died because they couldn't afford their meds too. Maybe that is why he washes his hands so often...he isn't a germaphobe, he is Lady Macbeth. "Out damn spot!".

[WhiskeyWulf]

13. Yes. That, too! nt

[nolabear]

10. She sounded furious. As well she should be.

[First Speaker]

19. Maybe Trump would like to use a 737 as Air Force One for awhile...

...you know--just to show solidarity with their CEO, and to set an example for us all...

[watoos]

23. I can imagine the conversation Trump had with Boeing's CEO,

Hey, sure I don't think we should ground those planes. Oh by the way, are you planning on donating to my 2020 campaign?

[lostnfound]

29. Only "737 MAX" has the issue. The "737s" in general have been fantastic.

The MAX has a unique system, the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System or MCAS, that is designed to automatically prevent stalls, and IT is suspected to be at fault or contributory to these accidents. There are 350 MAX aircraft in operation, with the first one flying in 2016.

Standard 737s are fantastic. Generally known as “737NGs” — 700s, 800s, 900s — there are 7,000 of them flying, and they are probably safest planes ever built. Flying since 1996, they do not have this same MCAS system because they have better natural flight characteristics.

Structure has a lot in common, but the engines are heavier on the MAX, and the aircraft systems are a lot different.

[SHRED]

21. But tRump called the Boeing CEO

So it's all good.

[mr_lebowski]

27. Pretty sure it was the other way around ... (nt)