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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,763 posts)
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 02:28 PM Mar 2019

Not just the 737: Angle-of-attack sensors have had problems

WASHINGTON — In 2014, Lufthansa flight 1829 took off from Bilbao, Spain, and was ascending normally when the plane’s nose unexpectedly dropped. The plane — an Airbus A321 with 109 passengers on board — began to fall. The co-pilot tried to raise the nose with his controls. The plane pointed down even further. He tried again. Nothing, according to a report by German investigators.

As the Lufthansa plane fell from 31,000 feet, the captain pulled back on his stick as hard as he could. The nose finally responded. But he struggled to hold the plane level.

A call to a ground crew determined that the plane’s angle-of-attack sensors — which detect whether the wings have enough lift to keep flying — must have been malfunctioning, causing the Airbus’s anti-stall software to force the plane’s nose down. The pilots turned off the problematic unit and continued the flight. Aviation authorities in Europe and the United States eventually ordered the replacement of angle-of-attack sensors on many Airbus models.

Today, aviation experts say, the angle-of-attack sensor on Boeing jets will get fresh scrutiny after two Boeing 737 MAX airplanes crashed, in Ethiopia last week and in Indonesia in October.

Crash investigators have raised concerns about the role of the sensor — a device used on virtually every commercial flight — in the October crash of Lion Air flight 610. There are concerns it may have sent the wrong signals to new software on the flight that automatically dips the plane’s nose to prevent a stall.

https://www.heraldnet.com/nation-world/not-just-the-737-angle-of-attack-sensors-have-had-problems/?utm_source=DAILY+HERALD&utm_campaign=54f2e389e6-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d81d073bb4-54f2e389e6-228635337

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Not just the 737: Angle-of-attack sensors have had problems (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2019 OP
. dalton99a Mar 2019 #1
Sounds to me like the AOA sensor changed from... Girard442 Mar 2019 #2
Bloomberg has an article yesterday or today that said virgogal Mar 2019 #3
On the Smithsonian channel there is a series called- Air Disasters RAB910 Mar 2019 #4
You Tube has most of them also, alternate name "Mayday" nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #5
Thanks! RAB910 Mar 2019 #6
Real reason why the 737 max 8 crashed Arkansas Pilot Mar 2019 #7
welcome to DU gopiscrap Mar 2019 #8
Thx Arkansas Pilot Mar 2019 #10
In all fairness, United States safety record for the last 10 years has been great! Nt USALiberal Mar 2019 #9

Girard442

(6,066 posts)
2. Sounds to me like the AOA sensor changed from...
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 02:51 PM
Mar 2019

...nice-to-have gadget to mission-critical item but wasn’t redesigned to provide the necessary level of reliability. It all got swept under the rug with that “oh, the pilots can override it” broom.

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
3. Bloomberg has an article yesterday or today that said
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 03:07 PM
Mar 2019

Boeing had too much sway in vetting it's own jets,which I found horrifying.

Written by Alan Levin and Peter Robison.

{I can't post links,or I would.)

RAB910

(3,489 posts)
4. On the Smithsonian channel there is a series called- Air Disasters
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 03:19 PM
Mar 2019

I am hooked on the show. It's an hour-long show that shows a crash and then the investigation that follows.

One thing I learned from the show is that there are often many leads (and they will pursue all of them to their conclusion) but most of them turn out to be dead ends.

Arkansas Pilot

(20 posts)
7. Real reason why the 737 max 8 crashed
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:20 PM
Mar 2019

Somebody should be doing a root cause analysis (5 why’s) for the real reason the 737 max 8 max crashed.

1. Why did the 737 max 8 crash? - Because there was a software design error.
2. Why didn’t the FAA and Boeing recognize the Software design error? - Because the FAA let Boeing self certify and Boeing rushed to complete the production to meet the market window and rationalized that the software was safe.
3. Why did the FAA allow Boeing to self certify the software? - Because the FAA was not adequately staffed and funded to support the 737 max 8 program they devised a program to allow Boeing to self certify with minimal oversight.
4. Why was the FAA not funded to support Boeing’s certification? - Because over the years there has been considerable pressure on all Federal Agencies to cut costs to pay for the republican tax cuts for the rich.
5. What will it take for the majority of voters to support politicians that will invest in this country and appropriately fund the FAA? - Do everything thing you can to support Democratic candidates

I know this may be simplistic but it does illustrate the point


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